John Boehner comments get him in dutch.....

  • mybud

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    Nov 09, 2012 2:59 PM GMT
    John Boehner said that since Obamacare is the law of the land congress should move forward to avoid the pending economic cliff...The conservative members of his party got angry and wanted him to walk that comment back.....I feel that Boehner isn't the main problem in the congress getting things done...It's the wacko tea baggers stopping progress at every turn....Note to republican right....Let your majority leader do what you can't or wont do...Work with the president to get things done.
  • mybud

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    Nov 09, 2012 6:27 PM GMT
    Any thoughts regarding this guys?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 09, 2012 7:11 PM GMT
    I agree however I do think it's important for President Obama to not confuse the relatively small majority he won by in the popular vote as necessarily a mandate on virtually every thing he wants to do. For instance, I voted for Romney, but that doesn't mean I agree with him on gay marriage. Same holds true on Obama voters --- it stands to reason that many who voted for him may not agree with him on everything, so to confuse this win as a mandate may be (I said MAY be) over-reaching. The bottomline is that neither side is going to get everything they want regardless of who won this election. The president and the democrats will have to compromise, and so will Boehner and the Republicans, if we have any hope at all of resolving some of the major issues in this country.
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    Nov 09, 2012 7:22 PM GMT
    Boehner has a great opportunity for saving the Republican party from the extremists. The shrinking demographics for the Republican side, at this time, do not seem as if they would allow for another presidential candidate to be voted in.

    The Speaker of the House is a prestigious and powerful position. I do not think Boehner has come close to the legacy he wanted in the last two years.

    Boehner needs to be stern against the crazies. He allowed them to botch the deal he had with the president last time. Now Boehner has leverage. I think we are going to see a more moderate Republican House because of this man. We will see.
  • Webster666

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    Nov 10, 2012 7:06 AM GMT
    There have been instances in the past where Boehner and Obama were willing to come to compromises, in order to get things done. But, the rest of the Republicans in Congress yanked Boehner back to reality.

    The Congressional Teabaggers are adamant that they will NEVER agree to ANY legislation that would shine a positive light on the President or other Democrats.

    Plus, conservative heads of extremely wealthy corporations hold Congress members hostage, threatening them with certain defeat at the polls, unless they toe the conservative (anti Obama) line.


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  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 11, 2012 2:55 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI agree however I do think it's important for President Obama to not confuse the relatively small majority he won by in the popular vote as necessarily a mandate on virtually every thing he wants to do. For instance, I voted for Romney, but that doesn't mean I agree with him on gay marriage. Same holds true on Obama voters --- it stands to reason that many who voted for him may not agree with him on everything, so to confuse this win as a mandate may be (I said MAY be) over-reaching. The bottomline is that neither side is going to get everything they want regardless of who won this election. The president and the democrats will have to compromise, and so will Boehner and the Republicans, if we have any hope at all of resolving some of the major issues in this country.


    I think it's fair to say that if anything was a mandate, it's passage of the DREAM Act. The Latino vote will not be around the next time if that legislation isn't pushed by the Democrats.
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 11, 2012 2:58 AM GMT
    I was listening to liberal talk radio yesterday and the question came up. Does this election give Obama the green light to be more liberal?

    My answer is not really. This very same question was asked after the '08 election when we had the White House and both chambers of Congress. And look what happened in 2010.
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    Nov 11, 2012 3:01 AM GMT
    "in dutch"? Srsly, he's in THAT much trouble. ... Ooooooo ..... I wonder if he will lose his job as speaker.
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    Nov 11, 2012 3:03 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI was listening to liberal talk radio yesterday and the question came up. Does this election give Obama the green light to be more liberal?

    My answer is not really. This very same question was asked after the '08 election when we had the White House and both chambers of Congress. And look what happened in 2010.

    Ah but people have had two years to reflect on what they did in 2010 and see how it worked. It didnt. And I think people are ready to throw the Conservative obstinance out.
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    Nov 11, 2012 3:20 AM GMT
    THE NEWS IS EVEN WORSE FOR REPUBLICANS.

    Their majority in the House of Reps is only due to their manipulations of redistricting, called 'Gerrymandering'.

    THAT WON'T LAST.

    Some of the Tea Party Crazies are gone now, Alan West...Joe Walsh for example.......BUT there are more to flush out in 2014.

    John Boehner is going to be forced to sideline the lunatics so that the adults can start making decisions.
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    Nov 11, 2012 3:24 AM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI agree however I do think it's important for President Obama to not confuse the relatively small majority he won by in the popular vote as necessarily a mandate on virtually every thing he wants to do.

    Are you effin' serious, Todd?? icon_eek.gif Considering how much YOU and your posse were adamant it was going to be "a landslide" for Romney, that he would win handily --I believe Southbeach predicted R=302 and D=236, "win back the senate", make gains in the house, etc, etc, YOU GUYS got your asses handed to you....O won by a far greater degree than you guys even predicted R would win. And now what would have been "a landslide" for Romney is a meager squeak-by for Obama --nothing impressive, and certainly nothing for a black man to get all uppity about???? Are you serious?

    Obama won BY A LANDSLIDE....it's just that in the face of the divisions in your nation, this what a "landslide" looks like (which is why you didn't even expect as much of your guy). The GOP was rebuked on EVERY front, policies and people were discarded. Even in the house, Dems won the popular vote, but because of slimy redistricting to manipulate the electoral map, Repubs won more seats....the writing is on the wall on that, btw.

    It's asinine to now try to poo-poo what Obama did. He's the first Dem pres to win over 50% of the popular vote for both his terms since FDR --even Clinton didn't win as handily as Obama did---Obama is only the third Dem pres EVER to achieve that.

    He and Romney BOTH campaigned on the idea that "there is a clear difference: Obama wants to raise taxes on the 1% and Romney wants to lower them"....well the people chose, and they chose Obama and rejected Romney....and NOW you GOP types are all "oh, well he doesn't have a mandate". REALLY? ...so when Bush won the college and lost the popular vote and stood on his soap box and spouted that "I've earned political capital...and I intend to spend it....it's my nature to do so", I guess he was over-reaching and cashing a rubber cheque then, right?

    It makes me sick to see you and others who had decreed that if Romney had reached a particular bar he would OWN the right to make all the changes he/you wanted, yet when Obama MASSACRES that goal, you all are "well, he doesn't have a mandate."

    In the words of Rahm Emanuel: "shut the fuck up....you LOST". icon_rolleyes.gif


    I think the RJ conservatives are hoping we would all just conveniently forget their predictions. Kind of like Dick Morris who was predicting a Romney "landslide" and when Obama won in greater numbers than he was predicting for Romney, it suddenly became an Obama "squeaker".
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    Nov 12, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
    Hahahahaha! Let the conservative whining continue its' din. It is music to my ears. The Liberal restoration of the United States' economic and social leadership will only gain momentum over the next 4 years.

    President Obama and the Democratic Party won. It's now time to make the changes necessary despite the Republican "Party of No". It's possible to do much with just the White House. Congress can remain deadlocked and progress can still be made.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 12, 2012 3:42 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI agree however I do think it's important for President Obama to not confuse the relatively small majority he won by in the popular vote as necessarily a mandate on virtually every thing he wants to do.

    Are you effin' serious, Todd?? icon_eek.gif Considering how much YOU and your posse were adamant it was going to be "a landslide" for Romney, that he would win handily --I believe Southbeach predicted R=302 and D=236, "win back the senate", make gains in the house, etc, etc, YOU GUYS got your asses handed to you....O won by a far greater degree than you guys even predicted R would win. And now what would have been "a landslide" for Romney is a meager squeak-by for Obama --nothing impressive, and certainly nothing for a black man to get all uppity about???? Are you serious?

    Obama won BY A LANDSLIDE....it's just that in the face of the divisions in your nation, this what a "landslide" looks like (which is why you didn't even expect as much of your guy). The GOP was rebuked on EVERY front, policies and people were discarded. Even in the house, Dems won the popular vote, but because of slimy redistricting to manipulate the electoral map, Repubs won more seats....the writing is on the wall on that, btw.

    It's asinine to now try to poo-poo what Obama did. He's the first Dem pres to win over 50% of the popular vote for both his terms since FDR --even Clinton didn't win as handily as Obama did---Obama is only the third Dem pres EVER to achieve that.

    He and Romney BOTH campaigned on the idea that "there is a clear difference: Obama wants to raise taxes on the 1% and Romney wants to lower them"....well the people chose, and they chose Obama and rejected Romney....and NOW you GOP types are all "oh, well he doesn't have a mandate". REALLY? ...so when Bush won the college and lost the popular vote and stood on his soap box and spouted that "I've earned political capital...and I intend to spend it....it's my nature to do so", I guess he was over-reaching and cashing a rubber cheque then, right?

    It makes me sick to see you and others who had decreed that if Romney had reached a particular bar he would OWN the right to make all the changes he/you wanted, yet when Obama MASSACRES that goal, you all are "well, he doesn't have a mandate."

    In the words of Rahm Emanuel: "shut the fuck up....you LOST". icon_rolleyes.gif



    Even in victory you're angry and bitter. Must be a liberal thing...and NO, I won't STFU icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 12, 2012 3:51 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidEven in victory you're angry and bitter. Must be a liberal thing...and NO, I won't STFU icon_rolleyes.gif

    And even after having all your lies and misrepresentations repudiated you're still lying and misrepresenting. Must be a Right Wing thing.

    [Cue image of Hyacinth to prove that CuriousJock is right and I am wrong]
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 12, 2012 3:56 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    And even after having all your lies and misrepresentations repudiated you're still lying and misrepresenting. Must be a Right Wing thing.


    When did I lie or make a misrepresentation? Are you just spouting blather again after a long happy hour? Name one lie or misrepresentation --- or are YOU lying and misrepresenting.
  • silverfox

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    Nov 12, 2012 4:06 AM GMT
    I think Obama is starting off on the right foot by basically saying "Hey we ALL agree not to raise taxes for middle class so lets act on that NOW".


    This will be a very telling week. If Republicans agree to this...on its own without trying to force an agreement for not raising taxes for the wealthy...that will be the parties "Christie" moment.

    Dear Republicans...not only is it OK to compromise and act on things that you have in common with those across the aisle....it is SURVIVAL at this point for you all.

    "NO APOLOGIES" = not sexy
    "NO COMPROMISE" = suicide


    I believe there is only one Republican that I can say for certain will be reelected if that is what he wants- and that is Chris Christie.