The Annotated Bible

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    Nov 13, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
    The Skeptic's Annotated Bible
    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

    Refuting the Bible
    http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/page/refuting-the-bible

    Some outrageous Bible quotes:

    1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
    Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
    Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
    Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
    Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

    Leviticus 20:10
    King James Version:
    “And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”

    Leviticus 26:29
    King James Version:
    “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.”
    New Century Version:
    “You will eat the bodies of your sons and daughters.”

    Numbers 31:17
    King James Version:
    “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.”
    New Century Version:
    “Kill all the Midianite boys, and kill all the Midianite women who have had sexual relations.”

    Ezekiel 23:20 (Thank you, Zinnia Jones, for this one.)
    King James Version:
    “For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.”
    New International Version:
    “There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.”
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/ezekiel/23-20-compare.html

    Colossians 3:22
    King James Version:
    “Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.”
    New Century Version:
    "Slaves, obey your masters in all things. Do not obey just when they are watching you, to gain their favor, but serve them honestly, because you respect the Lord."
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/colossians/3-22-compare.html
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    Nov 13, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
    I love Zinnia Jones. She knocked it out of the park with this one:


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    Nov 13, 2012 5:22 PM GMT

    Interesting site, but they forgot this gem:

    Matthew 15:21-28

    If that alone doesn't open the eyes of people to see that the book was manipulated by some rather nasty people who obviously put words in Christs mouth and said he said them, nothing will.
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    Nov 13, 2012 7:02 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Interesting site, but they forgot this gem:

    Matthew 15:21-28

    If that alone doesn't open the eyes of people to see that the book was manipulated by some rather nasty people who obviously put words in Christs mouth and said he said them, nothing will.


    How can you be so sure they put words in his mouth? As far as I know Jesus left no signed, written record of anything he said, so we really can't be certain he said anything he is reported to have said.
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    Nov 13, 2012 7:25 PM GMT
    Faith is a matter of Faith. In a country where I want to Believe, Speak, and Act Ethically in my Pursuit Of Happiness, I have to quote Voltaire: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." With that, Faith and Belief don't have a solid foundation in my mind if there isn't any understanding, knowledge, and wisdom gained by it. What good are words if they're only valid cause someone specific said it; and not cause those words have given you better understanding of yourself and others; taught you about the way things were and how they could be; and made you wiser as you've struggled to understand and incorporate what you understand into your everyday life?

    I like to think of Modern Mainstream Medias as the Religion of the fanatical and obsessive. Like the Stone Masons, who don't know the GOD they've gone through a ritual to serve; people align themselves with devotion, knowledge, and are moved by Celebrities, cause that is how Gods work.

    I don't doubt the skepticism of the OP; only wish that he understand that skepticism is a blade that cuts both ways, and should be wielded only with the most focused knowledge, skill, and ability.
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    Nov 13, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    Interesting site, but they forgot this gem:

    Matthew 15:21-28

    If that alone doesn't open the eyes of people to see that the book was manipulated by some rather nasty people who obviously put words in Christs mouth and said he said them, nothing will.


    How can you be so sure they put words in his mouth? As far as I know Jesus left no signed, written record of anything he said, so we really can't be certain he said anything he is reported to have said.



    Simple; apply The Law to this little vignette,


    Again Matthew ...22:36-40

    "36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    ...and John 13:34 "34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."

    Which makes Matthew 15:12-28 stink highly of someone's manipulation.
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    Nov 13, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    UndercoverMan said
    meninlove said
    Interesting site, but they forgot this gem:

    Matthew 15:21-28

    If that alone doesn't open the eyes of people to see that the book was manipulated by some rather nasty people who obviously put words in Christs mouth and said he said them, nothing will.


    How can you be so sure they put words in his mouth? As far as I know Jesus left no signed, written record of anything he said, so we really can't be certain he said anything he is reported to have said.



    Simple; apply The Law to this little vignette,


    Again Matthew ...22:36-40

    "36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    ...and John 13:34 "34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."

    Which makes Matthew 15:12-28 stink highly of someone's manipulation.


    You are interpreting Matthew 15:12-28 wrong, it exactly follows the greatest commandment to love and have faith in God to receive his grace. The point of that passage wasn't to show that Jesus was there to just heal the sick, but that his purpose was to teach people to have faith in God, and because the woman understood and trusted his real purpose before her own problems, she showed she had that faith and was then rewarded. So even though Jesus was there to help gentiles and it would be unlike him to not help her, this particular passage was meant to be a lesson about faith instead of Jesus just going around and healing every body who asked him.
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    Nov 13, 2012 11:31 PM GMT
    Consider;
    Christ being Christ would have already known of her great faith when she first approached him.



    The spin you're giving me I've heard many times before and this Christian is having none of it.

    The passage reeks.
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    Nov 14, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
    SkittleGangsta said
    You are interpreting Matthew 15:12-28 wrong, it exactly follows the greatest commandment to love and have faith in God to receive his grace. The point of that passage wasn't to show that Jesus was there to just heal the sick, but that his purpose was to teach people to have faith in God, and because the woman understood and trusted his real purpose before her own problems, she showed she had that faith and was then rewarded. So even though Jesus was there to help gentiles and it would be unlike him to not help her, this particular passage was meant to be a lesson about faith instead of Jesus just going around and healing every body who asked him.
    As a side note I would comment that there is no requirement to receive God's grace. Grace is freely given to all, not just to those who follow the commandments or have faith. Now accepting it may require some self assurance but the grace is there for all.

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    Nov 14, 2012 12:59 AM GMT
    If grace comes with an infinite bank account, I'm game. If it's just another toaster, keep it.
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    Nov 14, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    When I saw the Swedish and stateside movie adaptations of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, I thought that the beyond creepy Bible versus that were the motives for all the pattern killings were made up specifically for the films.

    Apparently, they're the real deal:

    "A woman who is a medium or sorcerer shall be put to death by stoning."

    "If a dove is the sinner's offering, the priest shall wring off its head, cleave its wings, and burn it upon the altar."

    "The daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by playing the harlot, she profanes her father. She shall be burned with fire."

    Now, the Bible's either literal and factual or it isn't, but the very religious groups who defend talking snakes, Ken and Barbie of The Garden, and The Flintstones model of the Earth's history, suddenly threw up their hands and protested, "Why are you evil secular filmmakers taking these passages literally and out of context?! For why?!"

    The hell is equivocal about any of those above statements, and what's the figurative meaning of killing people with fucking stones and fires?

    I mean, please pick a lane.
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    Nov 14, 2012 6:34 AM GMT
    meninlove said Consider;
    Christ being Christ would have already known of her great faith when she first approached him.



    The spin you're giving me I've heard many times before and this Christian is having none of it.

    The passage reeks.


    Maybe I'm not making the point of teaching a lesson clear. If Jesus just went around reading everyone's minds, he wouldn't teach anyone anything.... He didn't just do that for the woman, but to show others what faith is.

    If the passage read:

    Woman comes to Jesus wanting help.
    Jesus heals woman's daughter.
    The end,

    then no one learns anything. But if you read between the lines and make inferences the passage becomes:

    Woman comes to Jesus wanting help.
    Jesus conveys that his mission on Earth isn't just to heal the sick but that God has a greater plan for him.
    Woman concedes that her problems are insignificant in God's greater plan and that she has faith that God's plan is for the greater good and more important than her problems.
    Jesus rewards woman as an example of unselfish faith and everyone learns the rewards of putting trust in God.

    Maybe he was being a little harsh and there could be some bias by the writer, but Jesus wasn't just being a dick, that's just the way he said he had more important things to do than just going around and healing the sick.

    I'm not trying to preach, but it's obvious Jesus didn't go around like an asshole for no reason.
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    Nov 14, 2012 2:24 PM GMT
    "I'm not trying to preach, but it's obvious Jesus didn't go around like an asshole for no reason."

    lol, you're sounding like a fundamentalist that believes in bible inerrancy.

    In which case we're going to be at complete odds over this kind of thing.

    Christ was no asshole, nor did he behave like one to teach people stuff. That, my friend, is a completely petty human trait, and it shows like a neon sign in that passage.

    Remember the tale about the good samaritan? Apply it here.


    If you notice, nowhere in that passage did the woman convert to Christ's faith, which was not Christian by the way.

    Christ simply supposedly said she had as much worth as a dog, which was in those days pretty low indeed and undeserving of help as such. She said even dogs get the scraps their masters drop from the table.

    Then all of a sudden Christ says she has great faith and remotely heals her daughter of demon possession. Because of course there's no such thing as mental illness; it's demons. The bible said so.icon_wink.gif

    PS here's a little history to give you backgroiund; when this incident occurred, Canaanites were often slaves to Jews, and worse, considered the type of slave without any rights, hence her referring to him as Master and Lord and Son of David.
    She simply asked for help and he gave it, as he usually did.

    Case in point is for example, his rescuing of an adulteress from stoning. He did not ask for her belief in him as son of god etc.

    That he referred to her as a dog, and then when she agreed and argued even dogs get crumbs from their master's table causing him to surmise and say she had great faith etc as the reason he healed her daughter of mental illness is so contrived as to not be believable.

    I'll leave you with this
    John 8:14 " 14 Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one."