The illustrious community organizer

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    Sep 07, 2008 12:34 AM GMT
    Nothing wrong with community organizers in church basements and community centers here and there working to improve their neighbors' lives. What deserves ridicule is the notion that Obama's brief stint as a South Side rabble-rouser for tax-subsidized, partisan nonprofits qualifies as executive experience. What deserves derision is "community organizing" that relies on a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people to vote, shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon. Obama's community organizing days involved training grievance-mongers from the far-left ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). The ACORN mob is infamous for its bully tactics (which they dub "direct actions").

    Now there are plans to seek criminal investigations of 37 ACORN employees accused of offering gifts to sign up voters (including prepaid gas cards and restaurant cards) or falsifying driver's license numbers, Social Security numbers or other information on voter registration cards.

    Jim Terry - and official of the Consumer Rights League, noted that "ACORN has a long and sordid history of employing convoluted Enron-style accounting to illegally use taxpayer funds for their own political gain. With the wave of his magic wand, Obama quickly amended his FEC forms to change the "advance work" to "get-out-the-vote" work.

    Now, don't you dare challenge his commitment to following tax and election laws. And don't even think of entertaining the possibility that the community organizer exploited a nonprofit supposedly focused on helping low-income people for political gain. He was just "organizing" his "community."
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 07, 2008 12:38 AM GMT
    Thanks for the information Gregg, I'll verify it. So after writing all this, your point is? Do you think you are proving some point?

    I'll take Obama over McCain and the Palin woman.
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    Sep 07, 2008 1:03 AM GMT
    Gregg

    Do you believe every that the Republican power base tosses out there about Obama. Does the FACTS that Mr Obama (to you) was elected President of the Harvard Yale review --- I guess its not Stanford? What he did in Chicago was work to help.... whether others in those organizations had other agendas we do not know. Your "freind: GW Sr ran he CIA. Who do you want running the country? I do NOT get me going on Palin, if she cannot even keep her own family in line how well we she do with a whole country? In my day, someone who went to SIX colleges before finally getting a degree was an unfocused, misdirected bum!!

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    Sep 07, 2008 1:26 AM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidNothing wrong with community organizers in church basements and community centers here and there working to improve their neighbors' lives. What deserves ridicule is the notion that Obama's brief stint as a South Side rabble-rouser for tax-subsidized, partisan nonprofits qualifies as executive experience. What deserves derision is "community organizing" that relies on a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people to vote, shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon. Obama's community organizing days involved training grievance-mongers from the far-left ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). The ACORN mob is infamous for its bully tactics (which they dub "direct actions").

    Now there are plans to seek criminal investigations of 37 ACORN employees accused of offering gifts to sign up voters (including prepaid gas cards and restaurant cards) or falsifying driver's license numbers, Social Security numbers or other information on voter registration cards.

    Jim Terry - and official of the Consumer Rights League, noted that "ACORN has a long and sordid history of employing convoluted Enron-style accounting to illegally use taxpayer funds for their own political gain. With the wave of his magic wand, Obama quickly amended his FEC forms to change the "advance work" to "get-out-the-vote" work.

    Now, don't you dare challenge his commitment to following tax and election laws. And don't even think of entertaining the possibility that the community organizer exploited a nonprofit supposedly focused on helping low-income people for political gain. He was just "organizing" his "community."


    ^^^ This deserves derision.
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    Sep 07, 2008 1:38 AM GMT
    You just can't trust a Republican.

    As it happens, Mr. Jockbod's tirade is directly plagiarized, I mean quoted, from Michelle Malkin, of all reliable people.

    You can read her whole column here:

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin.php3

    It's disturbing enough to rely on Michelle Malkin for your information, but to quote her without attribution is, well, it's very Republican.



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    Sep 07, 2008 1:52 AM GMT
    Again, u criticize obama, but greg, u have failed to tell me why this man, this superstar student, man of the people, person that gives hope, inspiration to many, person with healthcare plans, education plans and energy plans etc... is still a worse choice than mccain. i just hear negative attacks on obama, but nothing on why the man who finished 5th from the bottom of his class, who debated leaving his political party because he lost in 2000, the man who cheated on his wife, the man who has a horrible temper, the man who blatantly lies on his opponent, the man who has no plan to help the middle class, the man who has voted with george bush more than 90% of the time is better for the job. Please tell me, and until u can tell me why he is better, you should not talk any more about barack obama. thanks jockbod.
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    Sep 07, 2008 1:54 AM GMT
    GobB saidAgain, u criticize obama, but greg, u have failed to tell me why this man, this superstar student, man of the people, person that gives hope, inspiration to many, person with healthcare plans, education plans and energy plans etc... is still a worse choice than mccain.


    You will have to wait for a future column from Michelle Malkin.
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    Sep 07, 2008 2:01 AM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidNothing wrong with community organizers in church basements and community centers here and there working to improve their neighbors' lives. What deserves ridicule is the notion that Obama's brief stint as a South Side rabble-rouser for tax-subsidized, partisan nonprofits qualifies as executive experience. What deserves derision is "community organizing" that relies on a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people to vote, shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon. Obama's community organizing days involved training grievance-mongers from the far-left ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). The ACORN mob is infamous for its bully tactics (which they dub "direct actions").

    Now there are plans to seek criminal investigations of 37 ACORN employees accused of offering gifts to sign up voters (including prepaid gas cards and restaurant cards) or falsifying driver's license numbers, Social Security numbers or other information on voter registration cards.

    Jim Terry - and official of the Consumer Rights League, noted that "ACORN has a long and sordid history of employing convoluted Enron-style accounting to illegally use taxpayer funds for their own political gain. With the wave of his magic wand, Obama quickly amended his FEC forms to change the "advance work" to "get-out-the-vote" work.

    Now, don't you dare challenge his commitment to following tax and election laws. And don't even think of entertaining the possibility that the community organizer exploited a nonprofit supposedly focused on helping low-income people for political gain. He was just "organizing" his "community."


    Dude,
    Don't waste your time with these cool-aid drinkers?
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    Sep 07, 2008 2:02 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    I'll take Obama over McCain and the Palin woman.


    Wait a sec fred, are you saying Palin is a woman?! icon_eek.gif

    *whimpers*
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    Sep 07, 2008 2:14 AM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidNothing wrong with community organizers in church basements and community centers here and there working to improve their neighbors' lives. What deserves ridicule is the notion that Obama's brief stint as a South Side rabble-rouser for tax-subsidized, partisan nonprofits qualifies as executive experience. What deserves derision is "community organizing" that relies on a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people to vote, shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon. Obama's community organizing days involved training grievance-mongers from the far-left ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). The ACORN mob is infamous for its bully tactics (which they dub "direct actions").

    Now there are plans to seek criminal investigations of 37 ACORN employees accused of offering gifts to sign up voters (including prepaid gas cards and restaurant cards) or falsifying driver's license numbers, Social Security numbers or other information on voter registration cards.

    Jim Terry - and official of the Consumer Rights League, noted that "ACORN has a long and sordid history of employing convoluted Enron-style accounting to illegally use taxpayer funds for their own political gain. With the wave of his magic wand, Obama quickly amended his FEC forms to change the "advance work" to "get-out-the-vote" work.

    Now, don't you dare challenge his commitment to following tax and election laws. And don't even think of entertaining the possibility that the community organizer exploited a nonprofit supposedly focused on helping low-income people for political gain. He was just "organizing" his "community."


    Dude,
    Don't waste your time with these cool-aid drinkers?


    so again, u criticize, but you come with nothing better? the only koolaid that has been drunk is from the jar of the past 8 years that you obviously have taken a huge gulp of. instead of criticizing, why dont u tell me why mccain is better for the country, why should we pick him? i am open to listen as i do care about where this country goes because i will have to live in it for the next 60 years, but i need more than being called a koolaid drinker. ur doing nothing to help that. so dont waste ur time posting.
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    Sep 07, 2008 2:17 AM GMT
    The real Kool Aid drinker is the person reciting Michelle Malkin's talking points verbatim.

    There is utterly no reason to debate people who refuse to think for themselves.
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    Sep 07, 2008 2:20 AM GMT
    obscenewish saidThe real Kool Aid drinker is the person reciting Michelle Malkin's talking points verbatim.

    There is utterly no reason to debate people who refuse to think for themselves.


    LOL... agreed.
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    Sep 07, 2008 2:24 AM GMT
    Buckwheet said
    HndsmKansan said
    I'll take Obama over McCain and the Palin woman.


    Wait a sec fred, are you saying Palin is a woman?! icon_eek.gif

    *whimpers*


    Hmph. I thought she was a pit bull with lipstick on...

    Damn you, liberal media!

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    Sep 07, 2008 2:32 AM GMT
    CNN just reported that McCain is telling people that the Palin creature sold the Alaskan airplane on Ebay at a profit. In fact, it was sold at a loss of $600,000, and not on ebay, although it remained there for 8 months with no takers. It eventually sold privately to an Alaskan businessman for $2.1 million, having been valued at $2.7 million.

    They basically called him out for lying. It's about time.

    What a sad spectacle. There was a time years ago when McCain had some admirable qualities. They have all crumbled in his naked thirst for the White House.

    Oh, and selling the plane at a loss---how is THAT good for the average taxpayer?
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    Sep 07, 2008 2:35 AM GMT
    I find the ACORN association quite disturbing actually. I doubt if the press publicizes it though.
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    Sep 07, 2008 2:42 AM GMT
    I find the near constant lies of the Republican party quite disturbing actually. I doubt if the press publicizes it though.

    Well, except for her:

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    Sep 07, 2008 2:47 AM GMT
    obscenewish saidYou just can't trust a Republican.

    As it happens, Mr. Jockbod's tirade is directly plagiarized, I mean quoted, from Michelle Malkin, of all reliable people.

    You can read her whole column here:

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin.php3

    It's disturbing enough to rely on Michelle Malkin for your information, but to quote her without attribution is, well, it's very Republican.





    AWWWWWWWWW, BOOOOOOOOOOO! If someone's going to quote someone they should at least NOT be laughably ridiculous. Good show, Obscene.

    How over the top are McCain guys going to get through Nov 4?
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    Sep 07, 2008 3:00 AM GMT
    John, I understand you. CuriousJockAZ and Triggerman seem opinionated and well-thought, even if I disagree with them. But Jockbod...I'm still trying to get a handle on what makes you tick. I think this post is a good insight into who you are.

    Sure, you're right-wing, and you and I are on different ends of the spectrum, but all I see is parroting.

    I don't think you hate Obama for his community organizing, do you? You hate him because he's a Democrat. And you read Malkin to help you get your hate on, because your own foundation is so lacking.

    I watch Fox News from time-to-time, listen to Limbaugh and Hannity (it seems they're everywhere), and I get what they're trying to do. I don't agree with them, but it's important to hear it from their mouths so I understand better what I'm dealing with. Often, they make good points, and I learn of some hypocrisy or corruption I was previously unaware.

    Liberal websites and blogs have their point of view too, but I would feel cheap if I quoted them without attribution or without looking into the source myself. I would lose debates not with Triggerman but with myself if I didn't understand the foundation underlying my point of view.

    In the future, work harder to do better, and I'll take you seriously.
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    Sep 07, 2008 3:09 AM GMT

    ColbertHow over the top are McCain guys going to get through Nov 4?

    They don't know any limits. Just as they piled lies and insinuations on John Kerry's military record, they're doing the same with Obama.

    You can look at Jockbod's -- I mean Michelle Malkin's -- assertion here about ACORN. Even though Obama is not implicated in anything, they're implying guilt by association. Of course, it's lunacy to imply anything negative about the Bush family's association with the Saudi royal family or, earlier, the Nazis or with the oil industry. It's entirely rational, though, to conclude that Barack Obama embodies the flaws of anything with which he's ever been associated.

    The only thing that is going to work is to begin countering the Republican smears in the same brutal language they use to concoct their fictions.
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    Sep 07, 2008 3:10 AM GMT
    jprichva saidCNN just reported that McCain is telling people that the Palin creature......



    "Palin creature" !!!!

    LOL LOL LOL I about fell over laughing..

    Your funny JP


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    Sep 07, 2008 3:14 AM GMT
    obscenewish said

    As it happens, Mr. Jockbod's tirade is directly plagiarized, I mean quoted, from Michelle Malkin, of all reliable people.
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    It's disturbing enough to rely on Michelle Malkin for your information, but to quote her without attribution is, well, it's very Republican.






    Let me say that Gregg is a friend of mine and I really can't imagine him quoting someone else... I'd expect him to compose an original and if he did quote someone (verbatum), he'd reference the name of the original writer.
    Gregg is a good man, I respect him on all levels..... aside from some of the rhetoric that has popped up here of late.. which seems to be more emotion based than fact based.
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    Sep 07, 2008 3:29 AM GMT
    HKLet me say that Gregg is a friend of mine and I really can't imagine him quoting someone else... I'd expect him to compose an original and if he did quote someone (verbatum), he'd reference the name of the original writer.
    Gregg is a good man, I respect him on all levels..... aside from some of the rhetoric that has popped up here of late.. which seems to be more emotion based than fact based.

    Uh, well, you check the link out, HK. Despite what you imagine being impossible, that's exactly what he did. And choosing to quote another person's argument without attribution is not an "emotional" decision. It is a calculated one.

    I see utterly no value in trying to change dogmatic minds about their political choices. However, as a longtime editor, I find little as offensive as plagiarism. Here he is trying to imply something about Obama's character because of his affiliation with ACORN and you are going to suggest that we should not likewise draw a conclusion about JB based on an explicit act?



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    Sep 07, 2008 3:53 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan said Let me say that Gregg is a friend of mine and I really can't imagine him quoting someone else... I'd expect him to compose an original and if he did quote someone (verbatum), he'd reference the name of the original writer.
    Gregg is a good man, I respect him on all levels..... aside from some of the rhetoric that has popped up here of late.. which seems to be more emotion based than fact based.
    I cannot see a man that pulls "hussein obama" out of his ass here and there as a good anything. We all know where that kind of remark comes from.
    Jockbod48 saidThe media hysterically denounced Palin as "inexperienced." But then people started to notice that she has more executive experience than B. Hussein Obama.
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    Great choice for president, Democrats.

    As far as the Malkin lady, well just google and see that she is a "liberal" hating blogger that is on a constant smear campaign ..
    http://mediamatters.org/columns/200804230002
    got excluded by even McCain
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/18/michelle-malkin-not-invit_n_102305.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-koppelman/michelle-malkins-white-s_b_20873.html

    The ACORN thing sounds all too familiar. If there were ties to Obama as a community organizer ages ago .. apparently as of 2004 they were cleared of any wrong doing
    http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/1214-09.htm
    Apparently they have something to do with registering low income and minority voters which is a most feared prospect to republicans (I can't imagine why?)

    Its just like someone predicted about a month ago
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/art-levine/beyond-mccains-smears-can_b_116911.htmlWhile the Obama campaign is facing a barrage of McCain smear ads that also may make "dog-whistle," coded appeals to racists and anti-Christ-fearing evangelicals, he's got an even more systemic challenge ahead to winning in November.
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    Sep 07, 2008 3:58 AM GMT
    A&FThe ACORN thing sounds all too familiar.


    Yes, it's guilt by ancient association, sort of like this:

    kerry_fonda1.jpg

    Of course, this photo, published everywhere by Swift Boaters, was completely fake. But the fact that Kerry even spoke to Jane Fonda meant he was fucking Ho Chi Minh.
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    Sep 07, 2008 4:02 AM GMT
    Well I checked out the link, and this is plagiarism. Very poor form. Regardless of your political opinion or argument, you have a duty to attribute the ideas of others. To do otherwise is intellectually dishonest.