Your Unconscious Brain Can Do Math, Process Language

  • metta

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    Nov 14, 2012 1:12 AM GMT
    Your Unconscious Brain Can Do Math, Process Language

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/biomedical/diagnostics/your-unconscious-brain-can-do-math-process-language
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    Nov 14, 2012 5:51 AM GMT
    This kinda explains how I nearly fell asleep while learning the concept of series (which to non-math nerds means to sum up every number in a sequence of numbes (such as the fibanacci sequence) from one to infinity and possibly make an algebraic equation out of it) and managed to score far above class average. Awesome find, metta.
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    Nov 14, 2012 6:28 AM GMT
    This explains why I can figure something out weeks after initially pondering on it. icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 14, 2012 6:33 AM GMT
    what's more interesting is how the scientists found a way to communicate with a person without him being conscious of it, must say that does open some rather crazy possibilities
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    Nov 14, 2012 12:18 PM GMT
    Haha...

    I don't know about math, but I do remember when I was working on my Master's having a discussion board assignment to do and was nodding off while writing it.

    I woke up the next morning and panicked because I though I had not handed it in. I went back and I actually had completed and submitted the assignment.

    Of course, it was a Management Information Systems class and I started writing about Bill Gates and trailed off into a discussion of the tree in the forest. The title of the post was "Three People."


    I received a perfect score.

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    Nov 14, 2012 12:27 PM GMT
    Does that mean it's ok to sleep in class ??
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    Nov 14, 2012 4:46 PM GMT
    dougyang saidwhat's more interesting is how the scientists found a way to communicate with a person without him being conscious of it, must say that does open some rather crazy possibilities


    Subliminal messaging isn't really new. For more information on that, please contact your local advertising agency.

    As to capacities of unconscious mind, it is your heritage to be able to awaken yourself to it, to consciously experience (observe and participate within) your unconscious mind.

    Bodycontactau saidDoes that mean it's ok to sleep in class ??


    Funny.

    But it means you will perform better on exams if you don't stay up all night cramming, rather finish studying the day before and then get a good night's sleep before testing.
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    Nov 14, 2012 5:01 PM GMT
    ...I can barely do math while awake.
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    Nov 14, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
    Recently I spend 3 days trying to figure out what was wrong with an algorithm I designed for a web game and I had no idea what the hell was wrong with it. It was so random that it was literally impossible to recreate. The next day I go to work, I look at my code, and fucking magically I go straight to the line of code that was causing the issue and I fixed it in less than 10 seconds. Crazy shit.
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    Nov 14, 2012 5:40 PM GMT
    fuzzywuzzy said...I can barely do math while awake.


    LOL


    And thanks Metta for the post. Interesting read.
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    Nov 14, 2012 5:45 PM GMT
    It's interesting that's it's been further supported, but I kinda thought this was known years ago...
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    Nov 14, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
    charlitos saidRecently I spend 3 days trying to figure out what was wrong with an algorithm I designed for a web game and I had no idea what the hell was wrong with it. It was so random that it was literally impossible to recreate. The next day I go to work, I look at my code, and fucking magically I go straight to the line of code that was causing the issue and I fixed it in less than 10 seconds. Crazy shit.


    One of my best friends is a neurobiologist and she told me that when you're stuck in something for a long time your brain does not see beyond and it starts to feel the spaces (even though you think you're analysing them). That's why you need to take breaks so that your brain "erases" what you saw. Another advice, is to alter the order of the information so that you're brain thinks it's looking at something new. A basic example, is reading essays from the end to the beggining.
    Interesting how brain works.
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    Nov 14, 2012 6:51 PM GMT
    A_X91 said.....Another advice, is to alter the order of the information so that you're brain thinks it's looking at something new. A basic example, is reading essays from the end to the beggining.
    Interesting how brain works.



    Also: Try to explain the problem to someone who knows nothing about it. Your brain will sort it out while trying to put it into words...sometimes.

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    Nov 14, 2012 7:02 PM GMT
    charlitos saidRecently I spend 3 days trying to figure out what was wrong with an algorithm I designed for a web game and I had no idea what the hell was wrong with it. It was so random that it was literally impossible to recreate. The next day I go to work, I look at my code, and fucking magically I go straight to the line of code that was causing the issue and I fixed it in less than 10 seconds. Crazy shit.


    I once had a similar experience.

    I was coding for a homework assignment and having trouble figuring out how to solve a particular problem. When I went to bed, I had a dream of me implementing a solution successfully. I woke up excited to try out the solution and, to my amazement, it actually worked! I just wish I could do that whenever I felt like it....
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    Nov 14, 2012 7:09 PM GMT
    Yes, all my best debugging of computer programs happened in my sleep. It's well beyond simple math. I've awakened to solved algorithms countless times.
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    Nov 14, 2012 7:13 PM GMT
    camfer saidYes, all my best debugging of computer programs happened in my sleep. It's well beyond simple math. I've awakened to solved algorithms countless times.

    This*^& the same thing with finally getting what someone said... days before. icon_neutral.gif
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    Nov 14, 2012 7:15 PM GMT
    Medjai saidIt's interesting that's it's been further supported, but I kinda thought this was known years ago...


    Yes, the phenomenon is old news. Mapping the process is what's new. This is interesting to me as a conscious dreamer particularly when combined with another practice I sometimes do when meditating with my body either awake or asleep which is to trace a thought back to its arising.

    Curiously, I do the same thing when I travel by car or plane. When I get home I often check out on a map what route I took. In regard to the mind, who knows what practical purposes mapping our minds might one day serve. Where did cartography get us? With maps we discovered the world.
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    Nov 14, 2012 7:19 PM GMT
    I wonder if we'll ever be able to study in our dreams? That'd be so amazing!
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    Nov 14, 2012 8:13 PM GMT
    JR_RJ saidI wonder if we'll ever be able to study in our dreams? That'd be so amazing!
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    In a sense, yes, you have that capacity already. While you may not have sensory input while dreaming from either your body nor outside your body, so I'm not going to tell you that you'll be thumbing through pages of your textbooks, you certainly can work out equations, problems, et al, completely consciously (perhaps even moreso than you are used to when your body is awake) while your body sleeps.

    You can even split your attention span, not unlike a prism splitting light, only instead of separating into colors your attention span remains intact, simultaneously on each activity not unlike a house of mirrors. So at one time you can consider the activities of the previous day, while you create and participate in another dream, while you review what you remember for an exam, while you compose a symphony, while you plan your next day, etc. etc. etc., all at one time & consciously while your body sleeps.

    Such is the nature of humanity.
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    Nov 14, 2012 8:26 PM GMT
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    JR_RJ saidI wonder if we'll ever be able to study in our dreams? That'd be so amazing!
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    In a sense, yes, you have that capacity already. While you may not have sensory input while dreaming from either your body nor outside your body, so I'm not going to tell you that you'll be thumbing through pages of your textbooks, you certainly can work out equations, problems, et al, completely consciously (perhaps even moreso than you are used to when your body is awake) while your body sleeps.

    You can even split your attention span, not unlike a prism splitting light, only instead of separating into colors your attention span remains intact, simultaneously on each activity not unlike a house of mirrors. So at one time you can consider the activities of the previous day, while you create and participate in another dream, while you review what you remember for an exam, while you compose a symphony, while you plan your next day, etc. etc. etc., all at one time & consciously while your body sleeps.

    Such is the nature of humanity.
    I want to learn how to do this, perfect it; and use it to better my everyday life; so I can help better other's everyday lives. icon_cool.gif
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    Nov 14, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    Bodycontactau saidDoes that mean it's ok to sleep in class ??


    Funny.

    But it means you will perform better on exams if you don't stay up all night cramming, rather finish studying the day before and then get a good night's sleep before testing.


    +1. Exactly!
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    Nov 15, 2012 1:59 AM GMT
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    dougyang saidwhat's more interesting is how the scientists found a way to communicate with a person without him being conscious of it, must say that does open some rather crazy possibilities


    Subliminal messaging isn't really new. For more information on that, please contact your local advertising agency.


    I thought subliminal messaging was just a bunch of pseudoscience, but i'm probabily wrong
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    Nov 15, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
    dougyang said
    theantijock said
    dougyang saidwhat's more interesting is how the scientists found a way to communicate with a person without him being conscious of it, must say that does open some rather crazy possibilities


    Subliminal messaging isn't really new. For more information on that, please contact your local advertising agency.


    I thought subliminal messaging was just a bunch of pseudoscience, but i'm probabily wrong


    There's some benefit to it, but it's not as effective as some may believe.
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    Nov 15, 2012 2:37 AM GMT
    camfer saidYes, all my best debugging of computer programs happened in my sleep. It's well beyond simple math. I've awakened to solved algorithms countless times.


    Here too, and some complex choreography. I'm pretty sure that many of the connections between synapses that I'm madly trying to build while awake finalize during sleep, which usually features an easily redirected stream of (un)consciousness. Of course the dream takes an apocalyptic turn.

    But I think the article highlights an underappreciated aspect of our awake brains: that while we consciously interact with our environment, masked parts of our brain are handling additional processing that will unconsciously affect some of the voluntary decisions we make. I think we've all known or believed that to be true, but the article presents a simple test they did to validate that.
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    Nov 15, 2012 3:04 AM GMT
    metta8 saidYour Unconscious Brain Can Do Math, Process Language
    Good, because my conscious brain can't do either.