Whey and soy protein powders

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    Nov 14, 2012 1:05 PM GMT
    whats better for weight loss ? Whey or soy protein powders?

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    Nov 14, 2012 2:44 PM GMT
    Soy is not well tolerated by a lot of people. And protein powders often have all sorts of sweeteners (that cause weight gain) or artificial sweeteners (that cause food cravings). Try to find a whey or rice protein that is completely unsweetened or is fake-sweetened with stevia. But that alone will not cause weight loss. Cut out starches and anything sweet. Eat plenty of real meat (not meat process) and green veggies. If your diet makes you feel hungry, add olive oil to everything to make it feel satisfying. Exercise a lot. This is basically the paleo philosophy.
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    Nov 14, 2012 2:48 PM GMT
    If weight loss is your singular goal, my advice would be to skip the powders altogether and eat real food. The advice just above is a great place to start.
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    Nov 14, 2012 4:08 PM GMT
    Thanks guys ! Im looking to tone and lose some fat. I just signed up for the gym again (thank god) its been a while so im a little rusty with all of this. Going to get a routine started and all. Thanks for the advice guys ! xoxox
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    Nov 14, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    If you're just getting started with a workout program, you probably don't need to worry about protein powders and supplements. I'd suggest focusing on getting into the habit of going to the gym regularly and then getting your diet dialed in. I agree with the idea of eating real food (lean proteins, fibrous veggies, some fruit/nuts, and healthy oils/fats) and avoiding gluten, legumes, sugar, dairy and alcohol. A good rule of thumb is try to shop at the grocery store only on the outside aisles (produce, meats, eggs, deli counter) and avoid the inside aisles that have all the cereal and processed foods.
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    Nov 14, 2012 11:20 PM GMT
    It's all about calories in vs. calories out. Whey is better for muscle building so you might as well go with that unless you're a vegan.
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    Nov 15, 2012 12:04 AM GMT
    Recent research shows that men should avoid taking soy protein -- tends to promote higher estrogen levels in men.
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    Nov 15, 2012 7:34 PM GMT
    imasrxd saidIf you're just getting started with a workout program, you probably don't need to worry about protein powders and supplements. I'd suggest focusing on getting into the habit of going to the gym regularly and then getting your diet dialed in. I agree with the idea of eating real food (lean proteins, fibrous veggies, some fruit/nuts, and healthy oils/fats) and avoiding gluten, legumes, sugar, dairy and alcohol. A good rule of thumb is try to shop at the grocery store only on the outside aisles (produce, meats, eggs, deli counter) and avoid the inside aisles that have all the cereal and processed foods.


    even though legumes are full of protein ?



    and thank you all again im learning a lot! is there a place to post personal progress ?
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    Nov 15, 2012 7:43 PM GMT
    ^ Lean meat has much more complete protein in terms of volume versus legumes, so it's about efficiencies. Also, Paleo principles do narrow your food choices/groups down somewhat, but allow you to eat as much as you like within the choices you have.

    There are forums set aside for guys who are involved in some of the RJ programs. If these do not fit, you might be able to recruit some guys on here after the holidays and do a weight loss challenge thread or something like that.

    (Edit to add: I think RJ has actually held weight loss challenges in the past. Might be worth emailing the mods to see if one might be coming soon.)
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    Nov 16, 2012 2:48 AM GMT
    I have tried whey, soy protein, pea protein, rice protein powder, and several other pure amino powder. One formula does not fit everyone as we now know the various genetic variations makes everyone slightly different in producing enzymes and proteins needed for muscle development and athletic abilities. For example, some people don't produce enough the enzymes needed to break down lactose when they grow past their teens.

    Trial and errors, and never give up.... and it pays off. I finally found many foods and supplements that works for me. I agree with the Paleo diet of high quality protein, good fat (seeds, nuts, organic coconut oil, which the best fat for energy -- it burns immediately and don't get stored away), and some carb, both complex and simple.... and lots of fresh raw produce.... no fast food. just say no to any and all fast food with empty calories, low meat quality (animals that are fed with hormones, bad grains with tons of pesticides, and antibiotics...they accumulate and degrade the body slowly, but surely). I lost 30lb from 160 to 130lb. Being 5'7 that's a lot.

    Here are 2 tables linking to science research papers, which nutritionists use to make recommendations.
    Whey for obesity control:

    http://gogenes.org/p3df1_test.php?f=Obesity&g=Whey%20Protein

    Fitness topics associating with foods
    http://gogenes.org/fitness_foodsupp.php
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    Nov 18, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
    thanks guys this is all great information! loving this !
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    Nov 19, 2012 2:41 AM GMT
    Where's the beef? - http://carnivoreprotein.com/

    And hemp?

    You may as well include a discussion on the value of these and other sources of protein (casein, etc.) as well.
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    Nov 19, 2012 2:48 AM GMT
    If you decide you want to start using a protein powder, look into whey protein isolate. It's more expensive, but it has more protein and less fat per serving. It also has less lactose, if you have a problem with that like I do.