THE "PALIN WOMAN" DODGES THE MEDIA.. Right Wing Tactic?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 07, 2008 12:28 PM GMT
    Well it seems that the McCain team has opted to have the Palin woman avoid the media and not to talk directly through interviews until some point
    ... down the line... I believe they are concerned she will have to actually answer directly some of the things that have come up.. or out.. or might say something embarassing.

    How long will she be able to dodge the media?
  • PaMedic

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    Sep 07, 2008 1:35 PM GMT
    I was watching the news this morning and they were saying that Palin is being briefed on the issues of the country before they want her with the media. She is going through a crash course on the party beliefs and goals for the election.
    They reported that the campaign is worried that Palin will say something different from what McCain has said all along.
    It is like Palin has to go to school before she can get the job. Sounds like what students go through everyday. I think we should give her the “No Child Left Behind” tests before she can become VP. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 07, 2008 2:19 PM GMT
    My old Congressmember Sue Kelly lost her reelection to Democrat John Hall after a scandal, not participating in a debate, and.... literally running away from the media.



    So, seems like a GOP tactic to me.
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    Sep 07, 2008 4:25 PM GMT
    So, she's taking the fifth before questions are even asked. Neat. icon_eek.gif
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    Sep 07, 2008 4:31 PM GMT
    PaMedic said I was watching the news this morning and they were saying that Palin is being briefed on the issues of the country before they want her with the media. She is going through a crash course on the party beliefs and goals for the election.
    They reported that the campaign is worried that Palin will say something different from what McCain has said all along.
    It is like Palin has to go to school before she can get the job. Sounds like what students go through everyday. I think we should give her the “No Child Left Behind” tests before she can become VP. icon_rolleyes.gif


    From the LA Times:

    she tried to use taxpayers' millions for a state program to shoot wolves from the air but didn't spend enough money to fix a state school system with the lowest high-school graduation rate in the nation;

    She's failed the "No Child Left Behind" test

    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-steinem4-2008sep04,0,1290251.story

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    Sep 07, 2008 4:31 PM GMT
    You know, with all of the scandals that are surrounding her... It sure would be nice to get some answers direct from the source *before* the right wing feeds her BS answers.
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    Sep 07, 2008 4:33 PM GMT
    Gwgtrunks saidYou know, with all of the scandals that are surrounding her... It sure would be nice to get some answers direct from the source *before* the right wing feeds her BS answers.


    Good luck with that.
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    Sep 07, 2008 4:44 PM GMT
    She may not be talking, but her record is out there for public scrutiny:

    ACLU Rating:

    As a governor with no legislative experience, Palin does not have an ACLU rating. It is worth noting that her relative youth and lack of a legislative record also makes it difficult at times to assess her position on some civil liberties issues.

    Abortion and Reproductive Rights - Supports Full Ban

    Death Penalty - Expansionist

    The First Amendment - Book Banning, Church-State Problems:

    When she took office as mayor of Wasilla, Palin began her tenure by proposing bans on certain books in local public libraries (it's not clear exactly which books she was trying to ban). She fired a librarian who refused to cooperate, though it's not clear whether or not this was the reason the librarian was fired. Palin has also advocated the teaching of creationism in public school biology classes.

    Immigrants' Rights - Opposes Comprehensive Immigration Reform

    Lesbian and Gay Rights - Opposes Same-Sex Marriage and Domestic Partner Benefits

    The Second Amendment - Strongly Pro-Gun Rights

    Tom's Take:

    Sarah Palin is something of an enigma, as her experience has been strictly executive--as mayor of a small Alaska town, and then (for two years) as governor of the state. My primary sources of information on her civil liberties platform are news reports detailing the 2006 Alaska governor's race--campaign promises, in other words.

    That said, she is conspicuously socially conservative by Alaska standards. Her complete commitment to outlawing abortion (even in cases of health, rape, and incest, where McCain would make exceptions), banning same-sex marriage and state employee domestic partnership benefits for same-sex couples, and promoting the teaching of creationism in public schools mark her as a candidate of the Religious Right, even though her views are not very different from those of McCain in practical terms.

    If your main issue of concern is gun rights, then she's the best of any candidate on either major-party ticket--her A+ NRA rating contrasts with McCain's C and the F shared by both Obama and Biden. The only presidential primary candidate of either party who scored an A+ NRA rating, it should be noted, was Bill Richardson. Her views on gun rights are a Second Amendment advocate's dream.

    But on most other civil liberties issues, she is discernibly more authoritarian than McCain. We don't know much about Sarah Palin yet, but one thing we do know is that civil liberties aren't her strong suit.

    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/profiles/p/sarah_palin.htm

    (emphasis mine)

  • cowboyathlete

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    Sep 07, 2008 5:00 PM GMT
    She will energize the Republiklan base, but also force the fence sitting moderates to make a hard decision - hopefully to not vote Republiklan this year.
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    Sep 07, 2008 5:09 PM GMT
    Maybe she's just having a herpes outbreak.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 07, 2008 5:20 PM GMT
    PaMedic said I was watching the news this morning and they were saying that Palin is being briefed on the issues of the country before they want her with the media. She is going through a crash course on the party beliefs and goals for the election.
    They reported that the campaign is worried that Palin will say something different from what McCain has said all along.
    It is like Palin has to go to school before she can get the job. Sounds like what students go through everyday. I think we should give her the “No Child Left Behind” tests before she can become VP. icon_rolleyes.gif



    And this is surprising? That a V.P. candidate that is a relative unknown (well, now I suppose the whole world knows who she is, but...) would be coached and rehearsed, and properly briefed before being turned loose to the media and coming debate? This is just smart campaigning, and I would hope they would do this thoroughly.

    That all being said, I have full confidence that Sarah Palin is going to wow the media with her ability to handle anything that they throw at her. As for the debates, I have a hunch that she will hold her own against Senator Biden -- maybe even clean his clock -- and that she could very well seal the deal for the Americans who are still on the fence to vote for McCain in November.
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    Sep 07, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    I've got it!!!!! As blacks had their Uncle Toms, we have our Aunt Toms.

    We have a few in our midst.
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    Sep 07, 2008 6:14 PM GMT
    Yes, she will help to energize the neocon base, but my bet is that she will also energize the moderate-to-liberal crowds in opposition, as well. I'd just like to see a more forceful rebuttal coming from the Obama camp. Get on the ball, people!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 07, 2008 6:53 PM GMT
    Ya gotta love her down-to-earth quality -- refreshing to say the least for a V.P. candidate. When someone asked her on the campaign trail yesterday how she planned to manage being the Vice President and mothering 5 children -- her answer: "The same way I managed to conceive, carry, and deliver them". icon_lol.gif


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    CuriousJockAZ saidYa gotta love her down-to-earth quality -- refreshing to say the least for a V.P. candidate. When someone asked her on the campaign trail yesterday how she planned to manage being the Vice President and mothering 5 children -- her answer: "The same way I managed to conceive, carry, and deliver them". icon_lol.gif




    I'm so not impressed. What a double standard. The neocon crowd, if they were to be completely honest and transparent, would advocate strongly for stay-at-home moms who homeschool their broods of no less than five children.

    Oh, and have you seen her positions on:

    Lesbian and Gay Rights - Opposes Same-Sex Marriage and Domestic Partner Benefits

    Palin began her tenure by proposing bans on certain books in local public libraries...

    Abortion and Reproductive Rights - Supports Full Ban

    I should know, I used to be among them, but I got non-religion.

  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 07, 2008 7:47 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    PaMedic said

    That all being said, I have full confidence that Sarah Palin is going to wow the media with her ability to handle anything that they throw at her. As for the debates, I have a hunch that she will hold her own against Senator Biden -- maybe even clean his clock -- and that she could very well seal the deal for the Americans who are still on the fence to vote for McCain in November.



    I think I can speak for my very good friend Brad and I would agree with him that you must be in a different dimension from reality Todd. Even when Lloyd Benson subordinated that Quail individual, it had no impact on the results of the election. Willy Horton took his toll.......
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    Sep 07, 2008 8:02 PM GMT
    If you'd like the 411 on Palin here's some info.:


    ABOUT SARAH PALIN
    >
    > I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah
    > since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing
    > special to
    > say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have
    > attended the same schools. Her father was my child's
    > favorite substitute teacher.
    > I also am on a first name basis with her parents and
    > mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during
    > her administration than about 99% of the
    > residents of the city. She is enormously popular; in every
    > way she's like the most popular girl in middle school.
    > Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote
    > for her can't quit smiling when talking about her
    > because she is a 'babe'. It is astonishing and
    > almost scary how well she can
    >
    > keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret
    > from her children and parents for seven months.
    > She is 'pro-life'. She recently gave birth to a
    > Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved,
    > here; Trig is her baby.
    >
    > She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out
    > at the gym. She is savvy. She doesn't take positions;
    > she just
    > 'puts things out there' and if they prove to be
    > popular, then she takes credit.
    >
    > Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP
    > and is achampion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of
    > job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high
    > pay. He
    > arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in
    > Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch
    > of the imagination is fishing their
    > major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been
    > anythinglike that of native Alaskans.
    > Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.
    >
    > She's smart. Her experience is as mayor of a city with
    > a population of about 5,000(at the time), and less than 2
    > years as governor of a
    > state with about 670,000 residents. During her mayoral
    > administration most of the actual
    > work of running this small city was turned over to an
    > administrator.
    > She had been pushed to hire this administrator by
    > partypower-brokers after she had gotten herself into some
    > trouble over precipitous firings which had
    > given rise to a recall campaign. Sarah campaigned in
    > Wasilla as a 'fiscal
    > conservative'. During her 6 years as Mayor, she
    > increased general government expenditures by over 33%.
    > During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by
    > the
    > City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low
    > inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property
    > taxes
    > and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even
    > food. The tax
    > cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property
    > owners waymore than they benefited residents.
    >
    > The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral
    > administration weren't enough to fund everything on her
    > wish list though, borrowed
    > money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero
    > debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million.
    > What did MayorPalin encourage
    > the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure
    > that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that
    > thecity lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park.
    > $15m-plus for
    > construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed
    > through to build on a piece of property that the City
    > didn't even have clear
    > title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the
    > delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself
    > is a nice addition to the
    > community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator
    > she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m
    > for road projects that
    > could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
    > While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and
    > her office redecorated more than once. These are small
    > numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.
    >
    >
    > As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a
    > budget surplusin Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in
    > technology that will
    > make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as
    > Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every
    > individual in the state.
    >
    > In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses,
    > she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road
    > projects, even while
    > she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend
    > today's surplus, borrow for needs.
    > She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open
    > to outside ideas
    > or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that
    > weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas
    > weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of
    > who proposed them.
    >
    > While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire
    > ourhighly respected City Librarian because the Librarian
    > refused to
    > consider removing from the library some books that Sarah
    > wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the
    > City Librarian and against Palin's
    > attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backeddown and
    > withdrewher termination letter. People who fought her
    > attemptto oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this
    > day.
    >
    > Sarah complained about the 'old boy'sclub' when
    > she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A
    > new set of'old boys'. Palin fired most of the
    > experienced staff she inherited. At
    > the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new,
    > inexperienced,
    > obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her
    > for theirjobs and eternally grateful and fiercely
    > loyal--loyal to the point of
    > abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she
    > has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the
    > State's top cop (see
    > below).
    >
    > As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because
    > he 'intimidated'her, she told the press. As
    > Governor, her recentfiring of Alaska'stop
    > cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served ather
    > pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him,
    > butit's pretty clear that
    > an important factor in her decision to fire him wasbecause
    > he wouldn'tfire her sister's ex-husband, a State
    > Trooper.
    > Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to
    > admit that morethan 2 dozen contacts were made between her
    > staff and family to the
    > person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her
    > ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired
    > with a man who she knew had
    > been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a
    > public furor, she withdrew her support.
    >
    >
    >
    > She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs
    > to her in help. The City Council person who personally
    > escorted her around town
    > introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla
    > City Council became one of her first targets when she was
    > later elected Mayor. She
    > abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people
    > who didn't like the guy were stunned by this
    > ruthlessness.
    >
    >
    >
    > Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from
    > saying anything publicly about her. When then-Governor
    > Murkowski was handing out political
    > plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas
    > Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau
    > and one of the best
    > paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within
    > months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she
    > was complaining in the
    > press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that
    > job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah
    > became aware that a
    > member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of
    > the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the
    > job.
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    Sep 07, 2008 8:06 PM GMT
    Thanks Aaron...
    No wonder the Republicans want to keep this Palin woman under wraps.
    What was the source of this information?
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    Sep 07, 2008 8:08 PM GMT
    continued:


    In a gutsy
    > move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be
    > political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell
    > swoop: got out of the job she
    > hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron
    > saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the 'old
    > boys' club' when she dramatically quit,
    > exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was
    > fined).
    >
    >
    > As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for
    > pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated
    > his pork-barrel
    > politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the
    > 'bridge to nowhere' after it became clear that it
    > would be
    > unwise not to.
    >
    > As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and
    > budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of
    > line-item vetoing
    > projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further
    > legislativeaction restored most of these projects--which had
    > been vetoed simply
    > because she was not aware of their importance--but with the
    > unobservant she had gained a reputation as
    > 'anti-pork'.
    >
    > She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State
    > party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back
    > and humiliated
    > them. Other members of the party object to her
    > self-description as a fiscal conservative.
    >
    > Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school
    > with Sarah. They call her 'Sarah Barracuda' because
    > of her unbridled ambition and
    > predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very
    > ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she
    > pulled to be made
    > point guard on the high school basketball team. When
    > Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the
    > community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah
    > refused to
    > endorse her.
    >
    > As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put
    > together of package of legislation known as 'AGIA'
    > that forced the
    > oil companies to march to the beat of her drum. Like most
    > Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic
    > National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of
    > sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned 'as
    > a private
    > citizen' against a state initiaitive that would have
    > either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from
    > mines, or b) tied up in the courts all
    > mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She
    > has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the
    > Interior's decision to list polar
    >
    > McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President;
    > Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.
    > There has to be literally millions of Americans who are
    > more knowledgeable and experienced than she. However,
    > there's a lot of people who have
    > underestimated her and are regretting it.
    >
    > CLAIM VS FACT
    > *'Hockey mom': true for a few years
    > *'PTA mom': true years ago when her first-born was
    > in elementary school, not since
    > *'NRA supporter': absolutely true
    > *social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT
    > vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees
    > in same-sex relationships
    > (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
    > *pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as
    > Governor to promote it.
    > *'Pro-life': mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a
    > Down's syndrome baby
    > BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some
    > pro-life legislation
    > *'Experienced': Some high schools have more
    > students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more
    > residents than the state of Alaska.
    > No legislative experience other than City Council. Little
    > hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help
    > of a city
    > administrator to run town of about 5,000.
    >
    > *political maverick: not at all
    > *gutsy: absolutely!
    > *open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not
    > good at explaining actions.
    > *has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
    > *'a Greenie': no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland
    > of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is
    > pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
    > *fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
    > *pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and
    > park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm
    > drainage system. Built
    > streets to early 20th century standards.
    > *pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased
    > tax burden on residents
    > *pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of
    > city government in Wasilla's history.
    > *pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works
    > union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to
    > support any claim
    > that she is pro-labor/pro-union.
    >
    > WHY AM I WRITING THIS?
    >
    > First, I have long believed in the importance of being an
    > informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put
    > on student voting
    > programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne
    > Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my
    > participation in local
    > government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.
    >
    > Secondly, I've always operated in the belief
    > that'Bad things happen when good people stay
    > silent'. Few people know as much as I do because
    > few have gone to as many City Council meetings.
    >
    > Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she
    > can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization
    > that she can hurt. But, I am no
    > fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that
    > this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.
    >
    > Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one
    > of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City
    > Librarian against Sarah's
    > attempt at censorship.
    >
    > Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was
    > afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.
    >
    > CAVEATS
    > I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the
    > increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin
    > was running for Governor)
    > from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of
    > the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I
    > adjusted for: did I adjust
    > for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is
    > impossible for a private person to get any info out of City
    > Hall--they are
    > swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.
    >
    > You may have noticed that there are various numbers
    > circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my
    > 'about 5,000', up to 9,000. The
    > day Palin's selection was announced a city official
    > told me that the current population is about 7,000. The
    > official 2000 census count was
    > 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from
    > 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the
    > mid-90's.
    >
    > Anne Kilkenny

    ( I have her email if you would like it )
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    Sep 07, 2008 8:13 PM GMT
    and that's just the tip of the iceberg...she's definitely got a lot of explaining to do and no matter what she says if all of her "stuff" comes out...it would not bode well for her...that is probably why the Republican handlers would rather buy some time to figure out what to keep under wraps and what to "acknowledge" with the appopriate spin.
    Not to mention that she hates gays....and has a very strong attiude about them in that manner.
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    Sep 07, 2008 8:37 PM GMT
    this is the piece that I find most revealing and concerning:

    " The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral
    > administration weren't enough to fund everything on her
    > wish list though, borrowed
    > money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero
    > debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million.
    > What did MayorPalin encourage
    > the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure
    > that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that
    > thecity lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park.
    > $15m-plus for
    > construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed
    > through to build on a piece of property that the City
    > didn't even have clear
    > title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the
    > delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself
    > is a nice addition to the
    > community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator
    > she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m
    > for road projects that
    > could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
    > While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and
    > her office redecorated more than once. These are small
    > numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city. "
  • PaMedic

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    Sep 07, 2008 11:56 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidThanks Aaron...
    No wonder the Republicans want to keep this Palin woman under wraps.
    What was the source of this information?



    With all of this information they will need to lock here in the school and keep briefing until election day in November.
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    Sep 08, 2008 12:17 AM GMT
    Oh, she's going to "wow" the media all right. When she gives one of her Republican talking point/bullshit responses to one of their questions, they're going to collectively say "wow! what an idiot."

    The Republicans are aware that the media are not planning to roll over and play dead this time around. They are going to roll her out in those scripted "town hall" meetings that Bush had, with friendly invited audiences and no media except Fox and bloggers like the Malkin creature.
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    Sep 08, 2008 12:22 AM GMT
    just read mccain is up in the gallup poll by 3 pts. what the hell? he picks up this woman who no one knows and who cleary would seem to be a hinderance and all of a sudden he is in the lead? what am i missing here?
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    Sep 08, 2008 6:20 AM GMT
    Sarah Palin has agreed to an interview with Charlie Gibson from ABC. She intended to spend that time with her son who is deploying to Iraq on Thursday. She had to quell the charges that she is sequestering herself.

    Happy now? I hope you Dems are real proud of yourselves.