What's Obama going to do for gay rights in his second term?

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    Nov 15, 2012 1:05 PM GMT
    One of my fourth cousins is digging me cuz reportedly Obama said on MTV that he isn't going to do anything for gay marriage in his second term.

    So I'm just wondering if we have any idea of what's Obama going to do for gay rights in his second term?
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    Nov 15, 2012 2:07 PM GMT
    Nothing, unless Biden forces him to do it.
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    Nov 15, 2012 2:07 PM GMT
    He's going to "pray" for us

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    Nov 15, 2012 2:20 PM GMT


    Well, ABC News said he demurred on MTV over gay marriage, but like this reporter said, the transcript tells a different story. So here you go, guys; it's better than you think.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/27/obama-same-sex-marriage_n_2031258.html
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    Nov 15, 2012 2:22 PM GMT
    At this point it is unclear what he can do. If he needs to fill a Supreme Court Justice position then his decision will most likely be on our side. With the House being republican he can't push through any bills for the cause.
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    Nov 15, 2012 2:26 PM GMT
    He has already stated that the Justice Department will not support DOMA anymore, I think he's letting things take their course. The success in Maryland, Maine, Washington and Minnesota has upped the momentum.

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    Nov 15, 2012 2:31 PM GMT
    He does not need to do much at this point just protect what already is in place and let social evolution take care of the rest.
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    Nov 15, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    Well, ABC News said he demurred on MTV over gay marriage, but like this reporter said, the transcript tells a different story. So here you go, guys; it's better than you think.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/27/obama-same-sex-marriage_n_2031258.html

    Thank you. I'll shove that down his throat. I think they are a little miffed at me cuz I pointed out that nobody wants to hear from a bunch of dirt farmers who calculate the age of the earth by counting Begats in the bible and who are too ignorant to understand science.
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    Nov 15, 2012 2:51 PM GMT
    He probalby wont do anything. He will focus on the economy and avoid bombing Tehran in his second term.
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    Nov 15, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
    It's up to the individual states and eventually a supreme court that will not lean so far right. What is a refreshing relief is that the Federal Government will not stop the states from recognizing same sex unions. Ironically the Republican's southern strategy was all about states' rights when it came to segregation but now when they don't agree with what some states are doing they want the feds to jump in.

    Marriage equality has amazing momentum and as I see it, it is the last of the gay rights issue unless there are some adoption laws I'm not familiar with. As Dallasfan points out, Obama really should be focusing on the economy and international issues.
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    Nov 15, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    Considering Obama is at a federal level, and marriage is a state level, he can't do anything besides lend support. It's not his call, besides kiboshing DOMA.

    Besides, he has more pressing matters, like healthcare, the economy, and world relations to deal with. This social issue just shouldn't be a massive priority for federal America right now.
  • Whipmagic

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    Nov 15, 2012 3:43 PM GMT
    I would expect him to call for a legislative repeal of DOMA - all of it - in his next State of the Union Address. The Supreme Court will likely invalidate Section 3, but then there is still Section 2 to get rid of, preferably through legislative action. I would also think that equality in immigration matters will get done; either through repeal of DOMA and executive orders or as part of immigration reform.
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    Nov 15, 2012 3:50 PM GMT
    Medjai saidConsidering Obama is at a federal level, and marriage is a state level, he can't do anything besides lend support. It's not his call, besides kiboshing DOMA.....


    http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/marriage

    "One power that the states do not have, however, is that of prohibiting marriage in the absence of a valid reason. For example, prohibiting interracial marriage is unconstitutional because it violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution."

    So it is wrong to think that our fate is subject to some final say of the states.

    Fuck the states. Fuck the popular vote. Give us our fucking human rights.

    RIGHTS RIGHT NOW
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    Nov 15, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
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    Medjai saidConsidering Obama is at a federal level, and marriage is a state level, he can't do anything besides lend support. It's not his call, besides kiboshing DOMA.....


    http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/marriage

    "One power that the states do not have, however, is that of prohibiting marriage in the absence of a valid reason. For example, prohibiting interracial marriage is unconstitutional because it violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution."

    So it is wrong to think that our fate is subject to some final say of the states.

    Fuck the states. Fuck the popular vote. Give us our fucking human rights.

    RIGHTS RIGHT NOW


    I know, but it is being done at a state level. Forcing the issue federally would not make friends with the general population.

    Canada did it this way too. It asked for provincial support before federal recognition was granted. My beloved Alberta held out the longest, but eventually caved. We did it in one swoop. With the slow movement of American mentalities, be happy that individual states are allowed to go ahead without country wide support.

    Progress is being made, even if it is slow. Be happy with how far we've come, and support how far we have to go. Forcing it will not help anyone though.
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    Nov 15, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
    He'll be doing a hell of a lot more than Romney/Ryan would have done.

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    Nov 15, 2012 4:07 PM GMT
    Caslon21000 saidOne of my fourth cousins is digging me cuz reportedly Obama said on MTV that he isn't going to do anything for gay marriage in his second term.

    So I'm just wondering if we have any idea of what's Obama going to do for gay rights in his second term?


    Probably give speeches about them.

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    Nov 15, 2012 4:11 PM GMT
    credo saidHe'll be doing a hell of a lot more than Romney/Ryan would have done.



    I doubt it.
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    Nov 15, 2012 4:16 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 said
    credo saidHe'll be doing a hell of a lot more than Romney/Ryan would have done.



    I doubt it.
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    Well let's see, R & R would have attempted passing legislation to prevent any State from permitting gay marriages, and would have tried to put through an amendment to the constitution to make marriage one man one woman.

    So really in this case even doing nothing is doing something, but watch what happens. The man is clever and subtle, something more people need to consider.
  • mustangd

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    Nov 15, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
    charlitos saidHe does not need to do much at this point just protect what already is in place and let social evolution take care of the rest.


    this, and, the social evolution and legislatoin at the state level, is possibly the best course.
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    Nov 15, 2012 4:32 PM GMT
    Obama came out.
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    Nov 15, 2012 4:38 PM GMT
    Lip Service
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    Nov 15, 2012 4:39 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    theantijock said
    Medjai saidConsidering Obama is at a federal level, and marriage is a state level, he can't do anything besides lend support. It's not his call, besides kiboshing DOMA.....


    http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/marriage

    "One power that the states do not have, however, is that of prohibiting marriage in the absence of a valid reason. For example, prohibiting interracial marriage is unconstitutional because it violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution."

    So it is wrong to think that our fate is subject to some final say of the states.

    Fuck the states. Fuck the popular vote. Give us our fucking human rights.

    RIGHTS RIGHT NOW


    I know, but it is being done at a state level. Forcing the issue federally would not make friends with the general population.

    Canada did it this way too. It asked for provincial support before federal recognition was granted. My beloved Alberta held out the longest, but eventually caved. We did it in one swoop. With the slow movement of American mentalities, be happy that individual states are allowed to go ahead without country wide support.

    Progress is being made, even if it is slow. Be happy with how far we've come, and support how far we have to go. Forcing it will not help anyone though.


    I am reminded of a thread about a kid who refuses to eat his vegetables.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Nov 15, 2012 4:42 PM GMT
    Nothing unless it is politically prudent. He will never again run for re-election which means political necessity has gone out the window. He won't need the gay vote, and subsequently, isn't overly motivated to push forward with legislation like ENDA or finally repeal DOMA. If it happens, it won't be because he is forcing it along, but I'm sure he'll take credit for it.

    Tammy Baldwin is more likely to get things done for the LGBT community than Obama.
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    Nov 15, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    Nothing, hes going to continue to grow big government and mandate health care and other entitlements while changing his tune about gay marriage, his new stance is that it should be up to each individual state to decide...

    smells like hypocrite to me
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    Nov 15, 2012 4:48 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Dallasfan824 said
    credo saidHe'll be doing a hell of a lot more than Romney/Ryan would have done.



    I doubt it.
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    Well let's see, R & R would have attempted passing legislation to prevent any State from permitting gay marriages, and would have tried to put through an amendment to the constitution to make marriage one man one woman.

    So really in this case even doing nothing is doing something, but watch what happens. The man is clever and subtle, something more people need to consider.


    You dont "know" they would have attempted legislation. As we all know what is said on the campaign trail rarely finds its way in to law. We can all go back to Obama's first campaign to find a ton of things he promised.

    R&R probably would have done nothing. while we gays like to think we are the center of the universe, we arent. The economy, Iran, Syria would be at the forefront.

    So in the end, Obama will probably do nothing and R&R would have probably done nothing. There is more to the world than us.