A 17-year-old Lennon Cihak is denied confirmation because of a post on Facebook

  • metta

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    Nov 16, 2012 8:23 AM GMT
    A 17-year-old is denied confirmation because of a post on Facebook

    http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/71426/
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    Nov 16, 2012 8:52 AM GMT
    Catholic church staffed by nasty cunts. In other breaking news, many africans are black.
  • shutoman

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    Nov 16, 2012 10:19 AM GMT
    The Roman Catholic Church is running out of feet to shoot.
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    Nov 16, 2012 1:57 PM GMT
    Not surprising at all! Specially coming from a catholic church!
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Nov 16, 2012 2:28 PM GMT
    Im not sure I understand this. Could someone explain?
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    Nov 16, 2012 2:44 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidIm not sure I understand this. Could someone explain?


    Sure. In the Catholic church there are three stages of their sacrament.

    Baptism, confirmation, and communion. Technically you are not supposed to be able to take communion (you know the kneeling at the front of the church and eating the wafer (given by a Priest) that represents Christ's body etc. if you have not been confirmed.

    So the young man will not be able to receive communion.
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    Nov 16, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
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    Rowing_Ant saidIm not sure I understand this. Could someone explain?


    Sure. In the Catholic church there are three stages of their sacrament.

    Baptism, confirmation, and communion. Technically you are not supposed to be able to take communion (you know the kneeling at the front of the church and eating the wafer (given by a Priest) that represents Christ's body etc. if you have not been confirmed.

    So the young man will not be able to receive communion.


    Actually he (or she) was denied a full member within the catholic church- meaning that he cannot be ordained, he cannot become a godparent and I think there are other things. I was catholic once also, and when I saw what the benefits were to being confirmed, I was like "I had enough." On the flip side, being denied communion? That's just so wrong on so many levels.

    On that note, there's nothing like coming out as atheist to your devout catholic family friends within the sanctuary of the catholic church. icon_confused.gif
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    meninlove said
    Rowing_Ant saidIm not sure I understand this. Could someone explain?


    Sure. In the Catholic church there are three stages of their sacrament.

    Baptism, confirmation, and communion. Technically you are not supposed to be able to take communion (you know the kneeling at the front of the church and eating the wafer (given by a Priest) that represents Christ's body etc. if you have not been confirmed.

    So the young man will not be able to receive communion.


    Actually he (or she) was denied a full member within the catholic church- meaning that he cannot be ordained, he cannot become a godparent and I think there are other things. I was catholic once also, and when I saw what the benefits were to being confirmed, I was like "I had enough." On the flip side, being denied communion? That's just so wrong on so many levels.

    On that note, there's nothing like coming out as atheist to your devout catholic family friends within the sanctuary of the catholic church. icon_confused.gif


    There was just too much of pagan type rituals in that faith for me.
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    Nov 16, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
    It's great the family supports the kid. Go, Grandma!
  • PaulyFL

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    Nov 16, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
    My question is, what is this priest doing following a teenager on Facebook? Serious creepy factor there.
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    PaulyFL saidMy question is, what is this priest doing following a teenager on Facebook? Serious creepy factor there.
    Yeah, he does seem a little old for the priest to be following. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • monet

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    Nov 16, 2012 4:06 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Rowing_Ant saidIm not sure I understand this. Could someone explain?


    Sure. In the Catholic church there are three stages of their sacrament.

    Baptism, confirmation, and communion. Technically you are not supposed to be able to take communion (you know the kneeling at the front of the church and eating the wafer (given by a Priest) that represents Christ's body etc. if you have not been confirmed.

    So the young man will not be able to receive communion.


    My understanding (as a lapsed Catholic) is slightly different. In my diocese (Philadelphia) kids receive communion BEFORE confirmation and I assume it is that way everywhere. Anyone who has received his or her First Holy Communion may receive communion at Mass. A few years after receiving their First Holy Communion kids are confirmed, which is where they are welcomed as full members of the church.

    Therefore it is my understanding that Lennon and his family MAY receive communion (although they may no longer want to at that particular church). But since Lennon is not confirmed he will not be able to get married in the church, become a godparent, or become a priest.

    It is my hope that Lennon will be able to be confirmed at a different church or that his own church will offer Lennon the opportunity to receive his confirmation at a later date. It is also my hope that if his own church offers Lennon the opportunity to be confirmed that Lennon will tell the church to kiss his ass.

    I feel that the priest is way out of line on this and I hope he gets reprimanded for being a jackass. But I won’t hold my breath.

    I left the Catholic Church years ago because of their views on abortion, homosexuality, and the place of women in the church. That plus the idea of praying to a guy on a cross seems really idiotic. And the people who go to church and believe all that shit are usually really stupid, really bigoted and really likely to be doing super fucked up secret stuff in their personal lives but still going to church on Sunday with their nice clothes on and smiles on their faces.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Nov 16, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    But why, or how was he barred confirmation?
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    Nov 16, 2012 4:30 PM GMT
    PaulyFL saidMy question is, what is this priest doing following a teenager on Facebook? Serious creepy factor there.


    ...and aren't you supposed to be 18 to be on Facebook? Or or vote?
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    Nov 16, 2012 4:31 PM GMT
    monet said
    meninlove said
    Rowing_Ant saidIm not sure I understand this. Could someone explain?


    Sure. In the Catholic church there are three stages of their sacrament.

    Baptism, confirmation, and communion. Technically you are not supposed to be able to take communion (you know the kneeling at the front of the church and eating the wafer (given by a Priest) that represents Christ's body etc. if you have not been confirmed.

    So the young man will not be able to receive communion.


    My understanding (as a lapsed Catholic) is slightly different. In my diocese (Philadelphia) kids receive communion BEFORE confirmation and I assume it is that way everywhere. Anyone who has received his or her First Holy Communion may receive communion at Mass. A few years after receiving their First Holy Communion kids are confirmed, which is where they are welcomed as full members of the church.

    Therefore it is my understanding that Lennon and his family MAY receive communion (although they may no longer want to at that particular church). But since Lennon is not confirmed he will not be able to get married in the church, become a godparent, or become a priest.

    It is my hope that Lennon will be able to be confirmed at a different church or that his own church will offer Lennon the opportunity to receive his confirmation at a later date. It is also my hope that if his own church offers Lennon the opportunity to be confirmed that Lennon will tell the church to kiss his ass.

    I feel that the priest is way out of line on this and I hope he gets reprimanded for being a jackass. But I won’t hold my breath.

    I left the Catholic Church years ago because of their views on abortion, homosexuality, and the place of women in the church. That plus the idea of praying to a guy on a cross seems really idiotic. And the people who go to church and believe all that shit are usually really stupid, really bigoted and really likely to be doing super fucked up secret stuff in their personal lives but still going to church on Sunday with their nice clothes on and smiles on their faces.


    This is correct.
    For me it went.
    1. Baptism
    2. Confession
    3. Holy Communion
    4. Confirmation

    So, I got my "holy communion" sacrament in 2nd grade and was confirmed in 7th grade.....

    whatta fucking joke it all is....now that im older and look back on it. I used to think it was such a big deal, now it's laughable.
  • monet

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    Nov 16, 2012 4:31 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidBut why, or how was he barred confirmation?


    Confirmation is a sacrament where the kids (usually teens or tweens) receive some specific religious instruction, perform some community service, write some reports (or whatever requirements the local diocese may decide to require) and then they have a big church service where each kid goes before the priest or bishop, gets some special magical oil rubbed on their forehead, recites some special magical words, and then the priest or bishop bestows on them the special sacrament of confirmation at which time the kids become full members of the Catholic Church.

    The priest, Father Bigot McAsshole (AKA Father Probable Child Abuser), decided that Lennon was not going to be able to receive the special magical sacrament of confirmation at the special magical church service later this year with the rest of his peers. I guess the local priest is allowed to make that decision if he feels the kid is not ready to be confirmed.
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    Nov 16, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    monet said
    Rowing_Ant saidBut why, or how was he barred confirmation?


    Confirmation is a sacrament where the kids (usually teens or tweens) receive some specific religious instruction, perform some community service, write some reports (or whatever requirements the local diocese may decide to require) and then they have a big church service where each kid goes before the priest (or bishop I believe) gets some special magical oil rubbed on their forehead, recites some special magical words, and then the priest or bishop bestows on them the special sacrament of confirmation.

    The priest, Father Bigot McAsshole (AKA Father Probable Child Abuser), decided that Lennon was not going to be able to receive the special magical sacrament of confirmation at his church this year. Therefore Lennon will not become a full member of his church when all of his peers do so at the confirmation service later this year.


    haha yes, and the person getting confirmed also has a "sponsor" .... like a person who stand there while you're getting the oil rubbed on ur head and makes sure that u follow through with all ur Catholic duties.....and the fun part was picking a confirmation name.

    I picked Anthony cuz he was the most badass of saints. icon_cool.gif
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    Rowing_Ant saidBut why, or how was he barred confirmation?


    Confirmation is a sacrament where the kids (usually teens or tweens) receive some specific religious instruction, perform some community service, write some reports (or whatever requirements the local diocese may decide to require) and then they have a big church service where each kid goes before the priest (or bishop I believe) gets some special magical oil rubbed on their forehead, recites some special magical words, and then the priest or bishop bestows on them the special sacrament of confirmation.

    The priest, Father Bigot McAsshole (AKA Father Probable Child Abuser), decided that Lennon was not going to be able to receive the special magical sacrament of confirmation at his church this year. Therefore Lennon will not become a full member of his church when all of his peers do so at the confirmation service later this year.


    Hmm.. almost like this. In my case they dabbed us with unicorn tears.
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    Nov 16, 2012 4:39 PM GMT
    Import said
    monet said
    Rowing_Ant saidBut why, or how was he barred confirmation?


    Confirmation is a sacrament where the kids (usually teens or tweens) receive some specific religious instruction, perform some community service, write some reports (or whatever requirements the local diocese may decide to require) and then they have a big church service where each kid goes before the priest (or bishop I believe) gets some special magical oil rubbed on their forehead, recites some special magical words, and then the priest or bishop bestows on them the special sacrament of confirmation.

    The priest, Father Bigot McAsshole (AKA Father Probable Child Abuser), decided that Lennon was not going to be able to receive the special magical sacrament of confirmation at his church this year. Therefore Lennon will not become a full member of his church when all of his peers do so at the confirmation service later this year.


    haha yes, and the person getting confirmed also has a "sponsor" .... like a person who stand there while you're getting the oil rubbed on ur head and makes sure that u follow through with all ur Catholic duties.....and the fun part was picking a confirmation name.

    I picked Anthony cuz he was the most badass of saints. icon_cool.gif


    Yes, along with not being able to get married in the church or become a godparent, Lennon will not be able to be a Sponsor for anyone else when they receive their confirmation unless he has been confirmed himself.
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    monet said
    Rowing_Ant saidBut why, or how was he barred confirmation?


    Confirmation is a sacrament where the kids (usually teens or tweens) receive some specific religious instruction, perform some community service, write some reports (or whatever requirements the local diocese may decide to require) and then they have a big church service where each kid goes before the priest (or bishop I believe) gets some special magical oil rubbed on their forehead, recites some special magical words, and then the priest or bishop bestows on them the special sacrament of confirmation.

    The priest, Father Bigot McAsshole (AKA Father Probable Child Abuser), decided that Lennon was not going to be able to receive the special magical sacrament of confirmation at his church this year. Therefore Lennon will not become a full member of his church when all of his peers do so at the confirmation service later this year.


    Hmm.. almost like this. In my case they dabbed us with unicorn tears.


    SPECIAL MAGICAL unicorn tears.
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    monet said
    SPECIAL MAGICAL unicorn tears.


    The CC had to do something to make us all more special than those silly protestants and others who left the fold hundreds of years ago.
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    Nov 16, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    Sounds to me like the High Priestess did the kid and his family a favor.
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    When I was confirmed I was 8 years old. My sister got a plastic statute of Mary, and I wanted one too but they told me boys got the plastic statue of Jesus. Mary statues were for girls.
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    Nov 16, 2012 4:49 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidBut why, or how was he barred confirmation?


    I think the answer to that lies in the NO vote on the amendment. All of the above ignores taht part. I have not read the proposition, but I imagine a NO vote means that the voter is in favor of gay marriage or tolerance of it. Thsu the priest was say, Iguess, that the church policy is against may marriage and that if Lennon is for it he cannot be a member of the church.

    Someone who knows please clarify.

    Odd that guys here are so willing to discuss without all the facts on the table. Understanding the specifics of what the vote meant is basic here. It should not be assumed that all readers will be familiar with the situation.

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    Rowing_Ant saidBut why, or how was he barred confirmation?


    I think the answer to that lies in the NO vote on the amendment. All of the above ignores taht part. I have not read the proposition, but I imagine a NO vote means that the voter is in favor of gay marriage or tolerance of it. Thsu the priest was say, Iguess, that the church policy is against may marriage and that if Lennon is for it he cannot be a member of the church.

    Someone who knows please clarify.

    Odd that guys here are so willing to discuss without all the facts on the table. Understanding the specifics of what the vote meant is basic here. It should not be assumed that all readers will be familiar with the situation.



    Actually a lot of us have been discussing the Minnesota vote for some time.

    Here:http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2784474

    See last post here:http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2785775?forumpage=1

    ...and this one dedicated specifically to Minnesota
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2781578