Why are you a Republican?

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    Sep 07, 2008 7:32 PM GMT
    I honestly want to know. I see a ton of people on here supporting McCain and Palin, and while I would argue that neither is really a Republican (going by the paleo-conservative definition), I do want to know what makes you a Republican.

    One rule, let's refrain from attacking each other or each other's views on this thread at least. I think it would be helpful for us non-Republicans to understand where they are coming from (even if we disagree) and it would be helpful to the Republicans to examine their beliefs and spell out their views.
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    Sep 07, 2008 8:11 PM GMT
    Oh come on! Republicans talk big, but are too afraid to spell out their views?

    Don't be ashamed or afraid guys, I just want to know what attracted you to the Republican party, in your own words.
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    Sep 07, 2008 8:53 PM GMT
    Yeah...these always turn out badly and I think the rabid guy has slunk off.

    Officially, I'm not affiliated and I think I might be a Republican if the party actually existed according to conservative government theory, but that's simply not the case.
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    Sep 07, 2008 8:56 PM GMT
    Why am I a Republican?

    I have covered ad nauseum in other threads, but in short it's because the alternatives are not acceptable.
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    Sep 07, 2008 9:01 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWhy am I a Republican?

    I have covered ad nauseum in other threads, but in short it's because the alternatives are not acceptable.


    That doesn't answer the question though and leaves it wide open to misinterpretation.

    So I haven't read your other threads, enlighten me.
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    Sep 07, 2008 9:07 PM GMT
    I think Curious spelled it out exactly.

    Republicans are never FOR anything, they're simply against things. It's a never-ending war against the modern world, and they're losing, and they're angry. Oh, they might even win this election. But America is changing under their noses and they hate everything about the way it's changing.Time and demographics are against them.
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    Sep 07, 2008 9:10 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI think Curious spelled it out exactly.

    Republicans are never FOR anything, they're simply against things. It's a never-ending war against the modern world, and they're losing, and they're angry. Oh, they might even win this election. But America is changing under their noses and they hate everything about the way it's changing.Time and demographics are against them.



    Great answer. They are fearful with the way things are changing, and can't stand to face the reasons they are so anxious and fearful.
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    Sep 07, 2008 9:11 PM GMT
    i am not an american citizen. but if i was, i would vote for republicans. because obama says that they will recognize armenian genocide. and let the kurdish local government announce indipendence against central government of iraq. turkey have a much bigger kurdish population than iraq.so it will threaten the integrity of my country.
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    Sep 07, 2008 9:14 PM GMT
    turk saidi am not an american citizen. but if i was, i would vote for republicans. because obama says that they will recognize armenian genocide. and let the kurdish local government announce indipendence against central government of iraq. turkey have a much bigger kurdish population than iraq.so it will threaten the integrity of my country.


    Well, of course, Turkey did commit genocide against the Armenians in 1915, and have spent the last 93 years pretending it didn't happen.

    Yes, you'd make a fine Republican.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:06 PM GMT
    Ok, quit with the attacks guys! icon_biggrin.gif

    So far I don't see any reason FROM a Republican as to why they are a Republican.

    And the argument that Republicans are "against" something, well, that's been proven to be the case for most voters. Sure we think we are supporting ideal A or policy B, but in reality we are just opposed to ideal B and policy A.

    I quit being a Republican because they pushed us paleo-conservatives out of the party. I still hold the same ideals I always have and have opened up more to progressive policy proposals. But in the end, I am still a conservative in both the fiscal and classical (non-religious) sense.

    I have no party at this point because the Republicrat party doesn't represent my ideals, and minor parties are vilified by voters and media alike.

    So I know there are others on here that decided to stay with the Republicans despite them growing away from their pre-Regan roots, or have joined the party in the wake of the Regan awakening and/or our post-9/11 nationalist fervor.

    The question remains: why? Why are you a Republican? Are you rich and thus Republican policies favor your interests? Are you a rich business man who gains from the current immigration gridlock so that you still have a cheap flow of labor with zero consequences? Are you a rich man with a large inheritance to pass along to family that you don't want taxed? Are you a Christian Fundamentalist that wants to see our nation become a true nation under God with public law dictated by the Bible? Are you a Neo-Conservative that would like to see all non-Democratic regimes (except our allies) bombed into submission until they accept Democracy and what we tell them to do? Are you a nationalist who is afraid that if we don't have a Republican in office that brown people with false gods will attack us (since that NEVER happened when a Republican was in the White House)? Are you a rich oil baron who believes that the economy can only thrive under a Republican president, and that they last 8 years have been fantastic?

    There has to be some substantive reasons why you are a Republican and would like to see the Republican party win in November. So grow some balls and tell us in your own words, because all we're doing is answering for you at this point.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:18 PM GMT
    I don't think they are going to come out and answer you. I tried a similar topic.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:20 PM GMT
    Around here it's pretty much for one reason: they haven't tried to take our 2nd amendment right away.

    I'm not a registered voter.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:22 PM GMT
    Buckwheet saidAround here it's pretty much for one reason: they haven't tried to take our 2nd amendment right away.

    I'm not a registered voter.


    Confound it, man! Get registered. We need you to cancel out CuriousJock's vote. icon_twisted.gif
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:23 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidI don't think they are going to come out and answer you. I tried a similar topic.


    Well, then they are just chicken I guess. So much for Gay Republicans being these big butch dudes eh? Runs at the first sign of critical inquiry.

    Since they won't answer, I want to hear from the Democrats too, why are you a Democrat?

    I'll tell you why I'm not: DOMA and DADT.

    And yes, I've heard all the rationalizations before about Clinton being forced to sign it or else he wouldn't get re-elected. It's nice to know that my rights can be compromised for the sake of an election. So please save your rationalizations why being gay I should be a Democrat because I don't want to hear it. I just want to know why YOU are a democrat.

    That's another reason why I'm not a Republicrat, I like my politicians to stick to their principles and uphold their oaths. DOMA is unconstitutional and DADT presents a grave national security risk. If I were Clinton, I would have spent less time with interns and more time defending the Constitution, even if it meant risking losing my next election.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:28 PM GMT
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    Buckwheet saidAround here it's pretty much for one reason: they haven't tried to take our 2nd amendment right away.

    I'm not a registered voter.


    Confound it, man! Get registered. We need you to cancel out CuriousJock's vote. icon_twisted.gif


    Haha, sure about that? Because I would be voting for Sidney McSaim along with CuriousJock. icon_lol.gif

    Why?

    I don't feel obliged to explain myself. icon_surprised.gif

    Politics falls into the Realm of Bullshit of which I do not readily entangle myself in.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:29 PM GMT
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    ActiveAndFit saidI don't think they are going to come out and answer you. I tried a similar topic.


    Well, then they are just chicken I guess. So much for Gay Republicans being these big butch dudes eh? Runs at the first sign of critical inquiry.

    Since they won't answer, I want to hear from the Democrats too, why are you a Democrat?

    I'll tell you why I'm not: DOMA and DADT.

    And yes, I've heard all the rationalizations before about Clinton being forced to sign it or else he wouldn't get re-elected. It's nice to know that my rights can be compromised for the sake of an election. So please save your rationalizations why being gay I should be a Democrat because I don't want to hear it. I just want to know why YOU are a democrat.

    That's another reason why I'm not a Republicrat, I like my politicians to stick to their principles and uphold their oaths. DOMA is unconstitutional and DADT presents a grave national security risk. If I were Clinton, I would have spent less time with interns and more time defending the Constitution, even if it meant risking losing my next election.


    I could be as non-specific as CuriousJock and say that the dems are better than the alternative. Instead, I'll say that I am more concerned about the real erosion of civil liberties, the assault on civil rights (not just gay-oriented), the current trend toward fascism, the mass manipulation and collusion associated with the current administration, the failure of the RNC to successfully manage the economy (i.e., the latest cluster f*ck: Fannie and Freddie), bailouts when ultra-free market policies fail, ad infinitum. I don't, by any means, think that the dems are perfect, but I think they'll do much more for the multi-cultural masses instead of trying to homogenize our society. Hell, what good is all of this alleged security if we don't have the freedoms to enjoy it?

    George Orwell got it right, but he miscalculated the year. 2008 == 1984.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:29 PM GMT
    I used to be totally liberal until I went to a University and saw just how fucking stupid liberals can be. The far left is as bad as the far right. And keep in mind the definition of Republican and Democrat isn't fixed. Those definitions gradually adapt with social changes. Proof: 145 years ago it was the Republicans that wanted to abolish slavery.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:29 PM GMT
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    ruck_us said
    Buckwheet saidAround here it's pretty much for one reason: they haven't tried to take our 2nd amendment right away.

    I'm not a registered voter.


    Confound it, man! Get registered. We need you to cancel out CuriousJock's vote. icon_twisted.gif


    Haha, sure about that? Because I would be voting for Sidney McSaim along with CuriousJock. icon_lol.gif

    Why?

    I don't feel obliged to explain myself. icon_surprised.gif


    Register anyway.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:31 PM GMT
    Damn you, were supposed to wait for my ninja edit! icon_mad.gif

    Why? I'm curious as to what purpose it would serve.

    ninja edit weeeeeeeee

    The President will be the President. Fighting over ideologies over the internet with people whom are firm in there position serves no purpose other than sowing hostilities and banging one's head against the wall until it hurts so much you decide someone else needs to be blamed for it, which will be a supporter of the opposite party. Woo Hoo! Aren't we clever sentient beings.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:34 PM GMT
    Buckwheet saidDamn you, were supposed to wait for my ninja edit! icon_mad.gif

    Why? I'm curious as to what purpose it would serve.


    Well, on second thought, if your attitude were shared by the rest of the Republican base, we could dispense with these rancorous political threads. Tell all of your conservative friends not to register. Problem solved.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:37 PM GMT
    I register just so I can vote on ballot measures. I always find out who the incumbents are and vote against them anyway. Don't care if they have a D or R after their name, throw the bums out!

    I plan to skip the presidential section this year, however. I don't care for Obama's vote on the FISA bill (Again, PLEASE no rationalizations as to why he voted for it, I don't care). If it wasn't for that, I would DEFINITELY have voted for him.

    But my philosophy is, if he won't uphold the Constitution as a Senator, why should I believe he will as President? And if he and the rest of Congress won't uphold the Constitution, I'm the last line of defense for that document. So long as we keep electing those who violate the Constitution, we will keep losing our Constitutional rights and protections.

    And yet, people continue to justify their votes based on some other criteria.

    Despite getting a BA in politics, I still don't understand what the f*** voters are thinking when they keep electing these bums...
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:37 PM GMT
    BTW, in the interest of full disclosure, I was a Rep. caucus leader in 1992 and 1996. I am ashamed that I helped to empower the ultra right when all I really wanted was fiscal responsibility and governmental accountability. Boy, did I f*ck up. So, my penance is to work steadfastly to undo the damage I've done.

    Edit: conativejj posted right about the same time. I have to agree with him about FISA. I've written the campaign, twice, to express my dissatisfaction with that vote. That said, I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:39 PM GMT
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    Buckwheet saidDamn you, were supposed to wait for my ninja edit! icon_mad.gif

    Why? I'm curious as to what purpose it would serve.


    Well, on second thought, if your attitude were shared by the rest of the Republican base, we could dispense with these rancorous political threads. Tell all of your conservative friends not to register. Problem solved.


    You're missing the point: I am the base of none.

    My question of what purpose registering would serve if I had no intention of voting was in good faith.

    Oh well, I'm an 3vil republican now, go ahead and punch your wooden stake through my heart.

    LMAO - wtf am I doing? /leave thread
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:41 PM GMT
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    ruck_us said
    Buckwheet saidDamn you, were supposed to wait for my ninja edit! icon_mad.gif

    Why? I'm curious as to what purpose it would serve.


    Well, on second thought, if your attitude were shared by the rest of the Republican base, we could dispense with these rancorous political threads. Tell all of your conservative friends not to register. Problem solved.


    You're missing the point: I am the base of none.

    My question of what purpose registering would serve if I had no intention of voting was in good faith.

    Oh well, I'm an 3vil republican now, go ahead and punch your wooden stake through my heart.


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    Sep 07, 2008 10:43 PM GMT
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    Buckwheet said
    ruck_us said
    Buckwheet saidDamn you, were supposed to wait for my ninja edit! icon_mad.gif

    Why? I'm curious as to what purpose it would serve.


    Well, on second thought, if your attitude were shared by the rest of the Republican base, we could dispense with these rancorous political threads. Tell all of your conservative friends not to register. Problem solved.


    You're missing the point: I am the base of none.

    My question of what purpose registering would serve if I had no intention of voting was in good faith.

    Oh well, I'm an 3vil republican now, go ahead and punch your wooden stake through my heart.


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