HEY, CANADIANS: ... Canadian PM employs loophole in potential power grab...what is the loophole that he was able to use?

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    Sep 07, 2008 9:10 PM GMT
    This article says he used one, but doesnt say what it is.

    Canadian PM employs loophole in potential power grab

    Story Highlights

    The October 14 election will mark Canada's third ballot in four years

    Opposition says ballot pits liberals vs. "most conservative government in our history"

    Observers: If Barack Obama surges in polls, it could hinder Canada's conservatives

    Canada's involvement in Kyoto Protocol, Afghanistan war could be major issues

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/07/canada.elections.ap/index.html

    ...and where the hell did the expression "drop the writ" come from? I am not sure what the "writ" is, but I can imagine it came from some kind of written notice of an election. ...What's "dropping" about it?

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    Sep 07, 2008 9:14 PM GMT

    This could be it....."Elections are to be held every four years, said the 2006 Conservative campaign promise, "except when a government loses the confidence of the House."

    Harper justified breaking his own law by saying Parliament, which was to resume Sept. 15, had become "dysfunctional" and requires a fresh government mandate as the country sails into global economic turbulence. "

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    Sep 07, 2008 9:17 PM GMT
    He also wants to get it done before Obama gets elected as it might influence y'all's election.
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    Sep 07, 2008 9:22 PM GMT

    ..and that's because Canada always prefers to get along well with it's larger cousin to the south.
    Still haven't found anything on the writ stuff, but I think you're right, and 'dropping' could be just a term like, "Thought I'd drop you a line to let you know we're back in town."
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    Sep 07, 2008 9:27 PM GMT


    Harper's selfishness is very apparent. He's more concerned with getting re-elected than in Canada's harmonious relations with the US. Either that, or he's quite confident that McCain will win in your elections. icon_eek.gif
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    Sep 07, 2008 9:36 PM GMT
    Harper and the Conservatives are at 38% in the polls, the Liberals are at 29%, so this is a good time to gain a majority. I don't understand what provoked it though. Usually a parliamentary minority falls when a vote of non-confidence is held (e.g. the Federal Budget) and the government does not get a majority of votes. Reading some newspapers online today, Harper is saying that Parliament is not functioning because the Liberals (who have a lot of Senators) have become very obstructionist.

    "Dropping the writ" is a term I have heard a few times but I am not sure what it really means. Undoubtedly it comes from the British parliament which I believe is the world's oldest democratic institution. Could it be what he did today, going to the Governor-General and asking Parliament to be dissolved?

    The Liberal's plan of a carbon tax is actually quite sensible. And the Liberals were cutting income tax when they were in power. The Conservatives went a different route by cutting Consumption taxes. Like their counterparts the Republicans in the USA, the Canadian Conservatives want smaller government (they have failed), but not in the areas of crime-fighting and defence.

    I don't necessarily agree with the Liberal leaders contention that this is the most Conservative government in History. Just an early example of politician's love of overstatement. However, if the Conservatives win a majority (and it would be shock if they did not) then they may turn to the right more.

    My prediction is the Conservatives will get at least 160 seats and a majority, the Liberals will go down below 90 (the polls show them doing poorly in Ontario), and Stephane Dion will be forced out as leader of the Liberals after October 14th. Canadians might appear to be polite and nice, but in politics if you do not win then the knives come out pretty quickly.

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    Sep 07, 2008 9:47 PM GMT
    "Dropping the writ is the informal term for a procedure in some parliamentary government systems, where the head of government, that is the prime minister, premier or chief minister as the case may be, goes to the head of state and formally advises them to dissolve parliament. By convention, the head of state grants the request and issues a writ of election for a new parliament."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropping_the_writ

    Ok this is what the writ is....writ of election. Still doesnt say where the "dropping" comes from....unless it is a contraction of "dropping in on the head of government for tea and asking for a writ of election."

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    ...and I am still not clear what the loophole is....unless it is the fact that he can just go to the head of government and request an election without a vote of no confidence and without running a full term.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:02 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    Harper's selfishness is very apparent. He's more concerned with getting re-elected than in Canada's harmonious relations with the US. Either that, or he's quite confident that McCain will win in your elections. icon_eek.gif


    He's probably a member of Canada's version of the Skull and Crossbones. They're all manipulating everything behind the scenes, anyway. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:14 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidMy prediction is the Conservatives will get at least 160 seats and a majority, the Liberals will go down below 90 (the polls show them doing poorly in Ontario), and Stephane Dion will be forced out as leader of the Liberals after October 14th.


    Agreed. There's no way Harper will lose; every time Dion opens his mouth, he loses more voters. The liberals need to go back and elect a new leader and do it right this time.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:22 PM GMT
    Yes Spyderman I must agree. I think Dion is a decent man, and he is intelligent, but Canadians are sick of Liberal leaders always coming from Quebec. Some Liberals are still in love with the Trudeau years and want to bring them back. They seem to be out of touch with many Canadian voters. Bob Rae, Michael Ignatieff (or even Ken Dryden) would have been wiser choices.
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    Sep 07, 2008 10:29 PM GMT
    spyderman saidevery time Dion opens his mouth, he loses more voters. The liberals need to go back and elect a new leader and do it right this time.

    What does Dion say?
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    Sep 08, 2008 12:34 AM GMT
    Caslon6000 said
    spyderman saidevery time Dion opens his mouth, he loses more voters. The liberals need to go back and elect a new leader and do it right this time.

    What does Dion say?


    He is hard to understand (strong French accent, although he is getting better), and he comes across as scolding you at times. Like a university professor that is losing his temper because what is obvious to him is not being grasped by you.

    I personally do not mind him, but I can understand why others are irritated. Also he is having trouble controlling his more ambitious Liberal caucus members. Never a good sign in parliamentary politics. He won the convention by coming from behind and beating out the favourites, Michael Ignatieff ( professor at Harvard I believe) and Bob Rae (former premier of Ontario). I don't think he ever really won over some of the Liberals who supported the other candidates.
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    Sep 08, 2008 12:41 AM GMT
    prolly doesnt help to have a first name that looks like "Stephanie" ... Stephane Dion
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    Sep 08, 2008 12:53 AM GMT
    Ok, he does have a bit of an accent when he speaks English...and could be irritating, but he is understandable.



    How do they handle French and English in Cdn Parliament? ... Does one speak whichever language? Are there little translation earphones or does everybody have to be totally bilingual?
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    Sep 08, 2008 12:55 AM GMT
    Caslon6000 saidprolly doesnt help to have a first name that looks like "Stephanie" ... Stephane Dion


    You may be right on that one Caslon6000. He also has a bit of a credibility problem. The main part of his platform is the environment and global-warming. When he was Environment Minister not much was accomplished! I am not saying he was to blame, but it does not look good, and in politics perception is far more important than reality.
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    Sep 08, 2008 1:08 AM GMT

    Let's weigh in on this carbon tax. Supposedly, Dion plans to overhaul the tax system, lower everyone's income tax and shift the the taxes to polluting consumers and consumption. Carbon taxes on fuel :gasoline, natural gas, electricity(often made in polluting ways, like coal burning and natural gas fired generating plants, etc.) HOWEVER he's strangely silent about businesses paying these taxes. heheh Why? Both liberal and conservatives bleat and hand-wring about scaring business away. Here in BC there is a carbon tax and it's misery, because business did NOT lower prices to accommodate it, like the Prov gov't (and here's where Canadian politics get REALLY confusing) called Liberal ( owned and operated by BC Conservatives - their party was called Social Credit, which imploded amid corruption scandals and law-suits), promised they would.
    People in BC were silly enough to believe the gov't would MAKE business become a social service. Latest is the BC gov't allowing the Electrical co to add a surcharge on anyone 'abusing electricity' - a bill of more than aprox 30.00 a month. That's right. If you spend more than a dollar a day on electricity to run your home, you'll pay extra on top of the usual price. Businesses are, of course, exempt. Now here's the juicy part, these surcharges are also carbon taxed! The higher the cost (read retail cost) the higher the carbon tax!


    Neither of us trust any of the parties up for election, and hope the status quo remains after this latest election. A minority gov't where all 4 parties run neck and neck, so when parliament operates, it takes two or more parties to overcome their differences to get something done. We've both had it with majority governments that decide willy-nilly on changes and then ram them through. Royalty indeed.

    The New Democrats, left wing, want to introduce inheritance taxes, so when you get the farm that your parents bought with money they were already taxed on, you'll be taxed again. All this will do is force everyone to give away their money before they die. Then the NDP will create a money-gift tax. Ugh.

    Ok, we are now descending to the bunker below the house as this is likely to ignite a huge firestorm of Canadian retaliation, and indignation.

    So if we sound a little muffled, you'll all know why.
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    Oh sorry forgot this tidbit. There's no carbon taxes on fireplaces, wood burning stoves or wood. Look north and you'll see the great burning, American cousins! you'll be able to roast wienies and marshmallows by holding them up in the air about 100 feet from the border. Canada will not be the great white north any more, but the big wood smoke one.
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    Sep 08, 2008 1:19 AM GMT
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    Let's weigh in on this carbon tax. Supposedly, Dion plans to overhaul the tax system, lower everyone's income tax and shift the the taxes to polluting consumers and consumption. Carbon taxes on fuel :gasoline, natural gas, electricity(often made in polluting ways, like coal burning and natural gas fired generating plants, etc.) HOWEVER he's strangely silent about businesses paying these taxes. heheh Why? Both liberal and conservatives bleat and hand-wring about scaring business away. Here in BC there is a carbon tax and it's misery, because business did NOT lower prices to accommodate it, like the Prov gov't (and here's where Canadian politics get REALLY confusing) called Liberal ( owned and operated by BC Conservatives - their party was called Social Credit, which imploded amid corruption scandals and law-suits), promised they would.
    People in BC were silly enough to believe the gov't would MAKE business become a social service. Latest is the BC gov't allowing the Electrical co to add a surcharge on anyone 'abusing electricity' - a bill of more than aprox 30.00 a month. That's right. If you spend more than a dollar a day on electricity to run your home, you'll pay extra on top of the usual price. Businesses are, of course, exempt. Now here's the juicy part, these surcharges are also carbon taxed! The higher the cost (read retail cost) the higher the carbon tax!


    Neither of us trust any of the parties up for election, and hope the status quo remains after this latest election. A minority gov't where all 4 parties run neck and neck, so when parliament operates, it takes two or more parties to overcome their differences to get something done. We've both had it with majority governments that decide willy-nilly on changes and then ram them through. Royalty indeed.

    The New Democrats, left wing, want to introduce inheritance taxes, so when you get the farm that your parents bought with money they were already taxed on, you'll be taxed again. All this will do is force everyone to give away their money before they die. Then the NDP will create a money-gift tax. Ugh.

    Ok, we are now descending to the bunker below the house as this is likely to ignite a huge firestorm of Canadian retaliation, and indignation.

    So if we sound a little muffled, you'll all know why.

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    Sep 08, 2008 1:24 AM GMT
    Caslon6000 saidOk, he does have a bit of an accent when he speaks English...and could be irritating, but he is understandable.



    How do they handle French and English in Cdn Parliament? ... Does one speak whichever language? Are there little translation earphones or does everybody have to be totally bilingual?


    You are kind Caslon, his accent is much stronger than earlier French-Canadian leaders of the Liberal party. Pierre Trudeau did not have much an accent, and Chretien was not bad.

    Yes they can speak both and there are earphones to hear the translation. If you want to become Prime Minister you have to learn to speak French. Harper to his credit was very determined to learn the language and has done a good job. He is very ambitious and focused (and my 83 year old mom likes his looks). It will be interesting to see what he is like once if he gets a majority. Will a different Stephen Harper appear?
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    Sep 08, 2008 1:47 AM GMT
    SurrealLife saidYou are kind Caslon, his accent is much stronger than earlier French-Canadian leaders of the Liberal party. Pierre Trudeau did not have much an accent, and Chretien was not bad.

    Well, I was on a conference call recently..............and the accent was enough to make me cry....clipped words and not an English vowel to be heard. ....so maybe I am being kind.
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    Sep 08, 2008 1:59 AM GMT
    Hmmmm....


    Seems to me, that no one can explain what loophole Harper used.
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    Sep 08, 2008 2:12 AM GMT


    Caslon, we often think Canadian politics require too many thinkings.

    But this really our fault, because both of our brains run in little agitated mousie circles when it comes to the wind-blowing-through-a-sieve kind of politics here. That is, too many holes that they (politicians) blow through, so trying to figure out what's really going on can be a nasty challenge.

    Also, neither of us write well when it comes to politics. Apologies for that. It really is a rambling post.icon_redface.gif
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    Sep 08, 2008 2:23 AM GMT
    Your whole confederation set up boggles the mind !
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    ..heheh, we think that's their intention, like the game where you spin someone around blindfolded til they're dizzy then dodge around them while they stumble about trying to find you, I mean vote.
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    Sep 08, 2008 3:12 AM GMT
    Thirdbeach saidHmmmm....


    Seems to me, that no one can explain what loophole Harper used.


    I'm pretty sure it was going to the Governor-General and asking for parliament to be dissolved instead of losing a confidence vote as is usually the case.