jack 3d replacement

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    Nov 20, 2012 10:39 PM GMT
    so, has anyone found anything as good as Jack3d? Is the Jack3d micro as good as the old stuff? Or are they just trying to fob off some limp dick version of the previous love of my life?
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    Nov 21, 2012 3:44 AM GMT
    I've about 6 tubs of Jack3d still which should keep me going icon_twisted.gif

    If you can handle 1MR then it can be very effective. I think BSN's NO Xplode is probably the second best from Jack3d.

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    Nov 21, 2012 4:43 AM GMT
    Cellucor C4 and 1MR!!!! Go to GNC!!!
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    Nov 21, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
    I bought the new Jack3d micro. Sadly, as the Amazon reviews indicate, it's nothing like the old stuff. icon_sad.gif
  • Medjai

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    Nov 21, 2012 4:59 AM GMT
    I use Neurocore. I enjoy it a lot. It's creatine free though, so not sure if that's your thing.
  • DR86

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    Nov 21, 2012 5:08 AM GMT
    Cellucor C4 works for me. Tastes great too!
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    Nov 21, 2012 6:11 AM GMT
    Jack 3d micro blows, totally worthless. Ravage from gnc ist too bad. Mightneed t ive some of that 1mr a go
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    Nov 21, 2012 6:47 AM GMT
    It was banned for a reason...just like most supplements should be. Buying supplements is like going to a psychic.
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    Nov 21, 2012 6:49 AM GMT
    It got banned?
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    Nov 21, 2012 6:53 AM GMT
    It's banned from use in NCAA. Also Army people died from it.
    http://www.oneresult.com/blog/jack3d/what-you-don%E2%80%99t-know-may-kill-you

    Good blog post too.
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    Nov 21, 2012 7:17 AM GMT
    Those people in the military were abusing the product- high doses far over maximum recommendation, and they were also significantly unfit and not undergoing a balanced exercise program.

    Most things can be harmful if abused, however if taken correctly i can certainly add great benefit.

    I agree there should be a lot more research done, federally sponsored and regulated, however it will rarely get that sort of attention if there's no massive financial benefit for the government.

    For myself, these supplements offer me the kick needed to go a little harder a little longer, particularly in association with a very demanding career and study life sucking up all my energy. I make sure though to follow directions, cycle off, and listen to my body, particularly whilst exercising.
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    Nov 21, 2012 7:39 AM GMT
    I don't use anything and am vegetarian and can get results naturally with food, kicking my butt within natural limits, and sleeping. Taking drugs (oh it's over the counter and has magic ingredients) is not the way to do it. It's a stimulant. So is caffeine, and so is methamphetamine (crystal meth). DMAA is somewhere in between in strength. Why not just go take crystal meth and get amazing results? Why not just go take adderall? Where do you draw the line? Why is this any different? Caffeine is a weak stimulant compared to this.
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    Nov 21, 2012 7:49 AM GMT
    It's fine if it's not for you, and of course people do great without it. Well done to you.

    Fortunately or unfortunately, people are not the same. Each person has individual physical needs and limitations, and supplements can sometimes fill the gap where deficiencies lie.

    I'm not arguing for you to take them, but I do see their value in the fitness industry- yes there are certainly some issues associated with it, and plenty of benefits also. The great thing is it is constantly evolving and with folks such as BSN I think there will be a great future for supplements.

    DMAA is now off the market until there is a lot more research done, so you can chill on that front.

    As I said for myself it's an extra boost- whilst I would dearly love regular and proper sleeps it is not possible with my work and lifestyle. It is nice to know there are products that I can take when I am absolutely wrecked of an evening that help me push through the fatigue and get a solid workout done.

    What I am advocating is the common sense approach to some supplements used in accordance with both directions and a balanced exercise plan. So far the only instances of trouble I see is when people abuse them greatly.

    What I am not doing is forcing you to change your lifestyle, so be happy, exercise hard and stay vego!

  • Nov 21, 2012 1:38 PM GMT
    AussieBody saidIt's fine if it's not for you, and of course people do great without it. Well done to you.

    Fortunately or unfortunately, people are not the same. Each person has individual physical needs and limitations, and supplements can sometimes fill the gap where deficiencies lie.

    I'm not arguing for you to take them, but I do see their value in the fitness industry- yes there are certainly some issues associated with it, and plenty of benefits also. The great thing is it is constantly evolving and with folks such as BSN I think there will be a great future for supplements.

    DMAA is now off the market until there is a lot more research done, so you can chill on that front.

    As I said for myself it's an extra boost- whilst I would dearly love regular and proper sleeps it is not possible with my work and lifestyle. It is nice to know there are products that I can take when I am absolutely wrecked of an evening that help me push through the fatigue and get a solid workout done.

    What I am advocating is the common sense approach to some supplements used in accordance with both directions and a balanced exercise plan. So far the only instances of trouble I see is when people abuse them greatly.

    What I am not doing is forcing you to change your lifestyle, so be happy, exercise hard and stay vego!


    +1

    A lot of guys on here forget or completely ignore the role that genetics plays when it comes to weight loss or gaining muscle. While I'm sure there is some merit to doing it the "natural" way, some guys need that "boost" (within reason) to motivate themselves to work out, max out, and sustain a routine.
  • tiger13

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    Nov 21, 2012 1:49 PM GMT
    I was quite fond of APS Nutrition's "Mesomorph," but at first the DMAA made me feel so cracked out -- literally, it reminded me a bit of when I used to get high. I swear some mornings I think I could have run through a brick wall.

    I've switched to just a basic 200mg caffeine supplement pre-workout, quite satisfied with that!
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    Nov 21, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
    craze
  • gwuinsf

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    Nov 21, 2012 5:13 PM GMT
    I stopped using them because they made me feel crazy, and I didn't like the feeling of coming down off that stuff. I feel like I'm dumping chemicals into my body which just doesn't seem right.

    That being said, yeah I had crazy good workouts on the stuff. I felt like 1MR was better than Jack3d in terms of boost to workout.
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:20 PM GMT
    bluey2223 saidI don't use anything and am vegetarian and can get results naturally with food, kicking my butt within natural limits, and sleeping. Taking drugs (oh it's over the counter and has magic ingredients) is not the way to do it. It's a stimulant. So is caffeine, and so is methamphetamine (crystal meth). DMAA is somewhere in between in strength. Why not just go take crystal meth and get amazing results? Why not just go take adderall? Where do you draw the line? Why is this any different? Caffeine is a weak stimulant compared to this.


    Wow. I cannot believe the idiocy of comparing meth and caffeine.

    Most of these supplements are not crazy chemicals. They are amino acids, their derivatives, B-vitamins, and caffeine. These are things that are already present in the body, and even necessary for life. Suggesting their equivilant to meth is one of the stupidest things you've said.
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    Nov 21, 2012 6:17 PM GMT
    urbanguy911 saidcraze

    +1

    just remember not to take it too close to bedtime as it will keep you wide awake.
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    Nov 21, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    bluey2223 said So is caffeine, and so is methamphetamine (crystal meth). DMAA is somewhere in between in strength. Why not just go take crystal meth and get amazing results?


    I understand what you are trying to say. But there is huge diff between these supps and meth. Meth is highly addictive. These supps are not.

    As with most things, use isn't the issue. Abuse is the issue.

    However in some cases, like Meth, simple use could end up being an issue.
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    Nov 21, 2012 10:18 PM GMT
    Thanks for the responses lads. I knew that micro jack3d would be shit, glad I didnt waste my money.

    Looks like the 1mr stuff is quite good, so I'm gonna give that one a go.

    Thanks for the 1MR heads up!
  • TheAlchemixt

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    Nov 21, 2012 10:22 PM GMT
    You can still by Jack3d online.
    I was on twitter and this is what jack3d @Jack3dFans tweeted me.

    Jack3d ‏@Jack3dFans
    @GayTravelBuddy Actually it's still legal and sold online - see the @PricePlow comparisons at http://www.jack3d.org - many US stores have it

    I haven't checked it out buy my brother bought some online a couple of weeks ago.

    1MR fucks up my stomach bad!
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    Nov 21, 2012 10:43 PM GMT
    GAT (German American Technologies) also makes a good one called Nitraflex. I've been using it for around 3 months and have seen great results from it.
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    Nov 21, 2012 10:49 PM GMT
    tiger13 saidI've switched to just a basic 200mg caffeine supplement pre-workout, quite satisfied with that!


    I've also tried a bunch of... jack3d, psu, noxplode, 1mr, ECA stack... what works for me is basic caffeine and working out when i still have enough mental energy in the day.
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    Nov 21, 2012 11:13 PM GMT
    just looking at reviews and only forums, general consensus is that MR1 is not so good and craze is the way forward, lets see what happens.