Airport Security Is Killing Us

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    Nov 20, 2012 10:45 PM GMT
    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-18/how-airport-security-is-killing-us
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    Nov 20, 2012 10:54 PM GMT
    No kidding. SInce 9-11/TSA, I find anything within 1000 miles is faster to drive. To get on a morning flight at PDX now, I have to leave my house at midnight the night before. I could have been 500 miles down the road by the time the plane takes off.
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    Nov 20, 2012 11:28 PM GMT
    i drive the 2500 miles twice a year from canada to south baja california....its nice, beautiful, relaxing......and no fucking airport bullshit....go back in time,,,,its a lot more fun
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    Nov 20, 2012 11:56 PM GMT
    Airport security is a joke. There are so many loopholes in the system that it would be easy for a terrorist to board a plane with an explosive. However, with cockpit doors locked and secure, the threat of another hijacking is very low...with or without security.
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    Nov 21, 2012 12:02 AM GMT
    ya now they just pass the bomb to the baggage handler thru the open gate to the tarmac.....window dressing ya?
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    Nov 21, 2012 1:55 AM GMT
    I exude a certain...well, vibe that makes me get pulled out for additional screening sometimes.

    When the TSA dude is near my junk, I like to grunt a little and maybe buck my hips. Got laid a couple times doing that.
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    Nov 21, 2012 2:06 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidAirport security is a joke. There are so many loopholes in the system that it would be easy for a terrorist to board a plane with an explosive. However, with cockpit doors locked and secure, the threat of another hijacking is very low...with or without security.


    Over volted laptop batteries being one.

    I think people who travel often also need to be concerned about the obligation of a full body X-ray every trip. For a typical businessman, that puts their yearly radiation dose as higher than the legal amount allowed to a US radiation worker.
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    Nov 21, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
    Medjai said

    I think people who travel often also need to be concerned about the obligation of a full body X-ray every trip. For a typical businessman, that puts their yearly radiation dose as higher than the legal amount allowed to a US radiation worker.


    There is no obligation in the US to go through a body scanner. I have never even once been through a scanner in an airport. I do not want the radiation. The latest research shows there is no safe level of radiation: all radiation has measurable harmful effects. I don't even let the dentist x-ray my teeth. All radiation is cumulative.

    When I approach the scanner, I just say "Male opt out." This subjects me to a physical search but no scan. At my home airport I've had the same guy search me twice. We have pleasant conversations during this invasion of my personal space. Mostly I find the whole process so offensive that I limit the number of times I fly.
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    Nov 21, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
    i used to run cattle thru shutes with more dignity than occurrs in airports....and yet on continue the masses, mooing their way down the lines....it is fucking degrading, stupid and totally unnecessary....
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    Nov 21, 2012 2:49 AM GMT
    Security theater. The TSA agents are useless. One time I got flagged for a "TSA approved" size bottle of mouth wash. Meanwhile, they totally missed the cutter blade I had forgotten to take out of my messenger bag. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Anyways, there will never be another 9/11 style hijacking. Why? Nobody wants another 9/11 hijacking to happen again. If a few whack jobs try to hijack a plane now, they won't succeed. Because they will get ripped to shreds by the other passengers. It's not like the old days when hijackers negotiate for things. Hijackers are now on suicide missions. And passengers know this. And they will do whatever they can to prevent it. Look at the past incidents.. the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber. Both made it through TSA screenings. And both were stopped by passengers on the plane.

    Our tax dollars at work, folks.
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    Nov 21, 2012 2:57 AM GMT
    Meh, it is what it is. I've gotten flagged, poked, prodded, rubbed, squeezed, no biggie.
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    Nov 21, 2012 3:00 AM GMT
    camfer saidMedjai said

    I think people who travel often also need to be concerned about the obligation of a full body X-ray every trip. For a typical businessman, that puts their yearly radiation dose as higher than the legal amount allowed to a US radiation worker.


    There is no obligation in the US to go through a body scanner. I have never even once been through a scanner in an airport. I do not want the radiation. The latest research shows there is no safe level of radiation: all radiation has measurable harmful effects. I don't even let the dentist x-ray my teeth. All radiation is cumulative.

    When I approach the scanner, I just say "Male opt out." This subjects me to a physical search but no scan. At my home airport I've had the same guy search me twice. We have pleasant conversations during this invasion of my personal space. Mostly I find the whole process so offensive that I limit the number of times I fly.


    I'm aware of the alternative, which I choose regularly. But the choice is a high dose of radiation or a complete personal invasion.

    Is a big reason I avoid the US in general. I try to keep in in Canada of late.
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    Nov 21, 2012 3:02 AM GMT
    Apparently, though I've never confirmed this, there are still laws that are grandfathered in that allow knives to be taken on the plane. If you claim it is for personal safety in the event of an emergency (cutting a jammed seatbelt, for example), and it is small in size, you can get away with it.
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    Nov 21, 2012 6:29 AM GMT
    Medjai saidApparently, though I've never confirmed this, there are still laws that are grandfathered in that allow knives to be taken on the plane. If you claim it is for personal safety in the event of an emergency (cutting a jammed seatbelt, for example), and it is small in size, you can get away with it.




    Rubbish so why do they give you plastic knives and forks do you think?
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    Nov 21, 2012 6:32 AM GMT
    Dunno. One time I got pulled out of line for a special search (spanish military police) they totally trashed my stuff. Squeezed out the toothpaste, the whole nine yards.

    Then when I finally got on the plane, I got bumped up to first class, and they gave me stainless flatware with a fucking serrated steak knife. I was seated right by the cockpit. Go figure.
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    Nov 21, 2012 8:08 AM GMT
    Over here in Australia, things don't seem as bad - but a lot of it also fails to make sense.
    One issue I have is that ALL people passing through the checkpoint are treated the same - no ID check at the checkpoint, no check to see if they are even a passenger.
    Screening would be more effective if based on risk factors - travel patterns, association etc.

    Another lark, friend of mine returning from Military duty in Middle east, so traces of explosives on bags...no problem, just sign a disclaimer stating that you are near explosives as part of your work and you can proceed.
    What the ??
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    Nov 21, 2012 8:51 AM GMT
    Most of the security measures are to make people feel safe.
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    Nov 21, 2012 10:02 AM GMT
    GonzoTheGreat saidMost of the security measures are to make people feel safe.


    By nuking them....
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    Nov 21, 2012 10:11 AM GMT
    I won't go to the US as I dont want my finger prints kept on record. Um sorry...but no. Ok checking them as coming in but then keeping hold of them? What the fuck for?
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    Nov 21, 2012 11:20 AM GMT
    That's strange. I just traveled from Germany to Orlando and back. I checked in online and handed over my luggage less than 5 minutes after arriving. I did have to wait in a chaotic line for the security check, but the agents were friendly and clear. The airport personnel held the shuttle door open for me and I was at my gate really quickly. Upon my return, I discovered that my bag had been checked (TSA note inside), but everything was accounted for, including the things I'd purchased in the US.

    The flight itself was just okay, but that's because I chose Economy Class, so the moment the guy in front of me reclined his seat back, I was forced to do the same or deal with his head inches from my face. icon_sad.gif
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    Nov 21, 2012 11:39 AM GMT
    This is yet another retarded brain child of George Bush and his administration. Bush and Cheney fought to regulate what didn't need to be regulated and deregulate what needs to be regulated. Their Bizarro World dream was working swimmingly until the American people caught on to common sense. While some things will take decades to fix, TSA won't take that long. I predict it will go the way of the dodo within the next 10 years.

    Unfortunately, folding TSA would mean a loss of 50K jobs, but that's a price we'll all be happy to help pay to get rid of this awful Bush legacy.
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    Nov 21, 2012 12:12 PM GMT
    credo saidThis is yet another retarded brain child of George Bush and his administration. Bush and Cheney fought to regulate what didn't need to be regulated and deregulate what needs to be regulated. Their Bizarro World dream was working swimmingly until the American people caught on to common sense. While some things will take decades to fix, TSA won't take that long. I predict it will go the way of the dodo within the next 10 years.

    Unfortunately, folding TSA would mean a loss of 50K jobs, but that's a price we'll all be happy to help pay to get rid of this awful Bush legacy.


    If all it takes for you to get riled up is to blame it on the Republicans, do please blame this on the Republicans and get rid of it:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552225-38/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title
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    Nov 21, 2012 12:15 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidAirport Security Is Killing Us

    I got my fingers crossed, but I'm not holding my breath. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Oh yourname2000, keeping it kla$$y as always. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 21, 2012 12:27 PM GMT
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    credo saidThis is yet another retarded brain child of George Bush and his administration. Bush and Cheney fought to regulate what didn't need to be regulated and deregulate what needs to be regulated. Their Bizarro World dream was working swimmingly until the American people caught on to common sense. While some things will take decades to fix, TSA won't take that long. I predict it will go the way of the dodo within the next 10 years.

    Unfortunately, folding TSA would mean a loss of 50K jobs, but that's a price we'll all be happy to help pay to get rid of this awful Bush legacy.


    If all it takes for you to get riled up is to blame it on the Republicans, do please blame this on the Republicans and get rid of it:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552225-38/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title


    Who's riled up?

    Your link is nice and all, but that's not the subject of the OP (nice try). Start a thread specific to wire tapping, and I'll gladly address the role both Reps and Dems have played.
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    Nov 21, 2012 12:30 PM GMT
    credo said
    riddler78 said
    credo saidThis is yet another retarded brain child of George Bush and his administration. Bush and Cheney fought to regulate what didn't need to be regulated and deregulate what needs to be regulated. Their Bizarro World dream was working swimmingly until the American people caught on to common sense. While some things will take decades to fix, TSA won't take that long. I predict it will go the way of the dodo within the next 10 years.

    Unfortunately, folding TSA would mean a loss of 50K jobs, but that's a price we'll all be happy to help pay to get rid of this awful Bush legacy.


    If all it takes for you to get riled up is to blame it on the Republicans, do please blame this on the Republicans and get rid of it:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552225-38/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title


    Who's riled up?

    Your link is nice and all, but that's not the subject of the OP (nice try). Start a thread specific to wire tapping, and I'll gladly address the role both Reps and Dems have played.


    You're right - the OP talks about the unintended consequences of the massive increase both costs and time as a result of security theater. There are threads in both tech and politics on the warrant-less wiretapping on this issue. There is a bipartisan effort to diminish the rights of Americans it would seem.