I was surprised by the pro-gay response I got at my supermarket

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    Nov 21, 2012 12:03 AM GMT
    When I walked in my supermarket, there was a Salvation Army bell ringer outside. I thought I'm gonna complain since the Salvation Army is a religious organization and is anti gay in its positions.

    I expected simple politeness in hearing my complaint. Instead I was talking to a manager who voted for gay marriage in Maryland. He said he didn't know about the Salvation Army, but he would certainly take it up with their public relations person. I wax bowled over by the positive response I got. We talked for several minutes about gay rights issues, politics, and the straight sex scandal in the military.
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    Nov 21, 2012 1:54 AM GMT
    Well that's a good outcome. icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    Good for you for speaking up too icon_smile.gif
  • chris_hasting...

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    Nov 21, 2012 5:08 AM GMT
    hmm yeah it's nice that you spoke your mind and got your point across but you kinda gotta think about the good organizations like that do too...

    like if mother theresa was a total hateful bitch but still did all the good things she'd done.
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:12 AM GMT
    Thats pretty awesome to hear. Shows how loyal and caring that manager is to his customers. Kudos to him and the other positive people icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:16 AM GMT
    I'm sorry but I'm having trouble being OK with this one. You want an organization that is taking donations to help the needy to be chased out of a super market because they're religious?
  • MikemikeMike

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    Nov 21, 2012 5:18 AM GMT
    How would you feel if they removed the Salvation Army from that store based on you complaint? An organization that has done more good for mankind than you could ever do in 10 lifetimes.

    You sound like men and woman that complain in corporate meetings, but offer no real solutions. You end up being as useful as tits on a bull...useless.icon_idea.gif
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:26 AM GMT
    Shyguy_1986 saidI'm sorry but I'm having trouble being OK with this one. You want an organization that is taking donations to help the needy to be chased out of a super market because they're religious?


    Religious or not. Organizations which espouse hate deserve to be called out. And, when those organizations ARE also "religious" organizations they especially deserve to be called out on their hypocrisy.

    The Salvation Army is Anti-gay. If they where Anti-**Insert any race, creed, color, gender, nationality, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, or other dimension of diversity here**, they would still be a HATE organization.

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    The light of truth and transparency is the best disinfectant for festering bigotry masquerading as a charity. Silence the bell ringers this holiday season!
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:30 AM GMT
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    Shyguy_1986 saidI'm sorry but I'm having trouble being OK with this one. You want an organization that is taking donations to help the needy to be chased out of a super market because they're religious?


    Religious or not. Organizations which espouse hate deserve to be called out. And, when those organizations ARE also "religious" organizations they especially deserve to be called out on their hypocrisy.

    The Salvation Army is Anti-gay. If they where Anti-**Insert any race, creed, color, gender, nationality, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, or other dimension of diversity here**, they would still be a HATE organization.

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    The light of truth and transparency is the best disinfectant for festering bigotry masquerading as a charity. Silence the bell ringers this holiday season!


    When you clothe the needy and grab a ladle then I'll be more inclined to agree with you. Besides, everyone's entitled to their opinion, I'm not a fan of censorship. I have a libertarian streak in me.
  • dc415

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    Nov 21, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    i wonder how many of you would be defending the "Salvation Army" if they were outspoken racists against interracial marriage.
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    Shyguy_1986 said
    GAMRican said
    Shyguy_1986 saidI'm sorry but I'm having trouble being OK with this one. You want an organization that is taking donations to help the needy to be chased out of a super market because they're religious?


    Religious or not. Organizations which espouse hate deserve to be called out. And, when those organizations ARE also "religious" organizations they especially deserve to be called out on their hypocrisy.

    The Salvation Army is Anti-gay. If they where Anti-**Insert any race, creed, color, gender, nationality, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, or other dimension of diversity here**, they would still be a HATE organization.

    6a00e552e19fa38833012876571a57970c-800wi

    The light of truth and transparency is the best disinfectant for festering bigotry masquerading as a charity. Silence the bell ringers this holiday season!


    When you clothe the needy and grab a ladle then I'll be more inclined to agree with you. Besides, everyone's entitled to their opinion, I'm not a fan of censorship. I have a libertarian streak in me.


    I agree, I feel like this is an instantiation of the exact kind of imposition that is used to argue that gay rights can't be achieved without gays trying to attack religion and family values.
  • kevmoran

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    Nov 21, 2012 5:40 AM GMT
    For clarity, we're not talking church on Sunday kind of religious. Salvation Army donates to Westboro Baptist Church and supports shock therapy for homosexual youth.
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:42 AM GMT
    dc415 saidi wonder how many of you would be defending the "Salvation Army" if they were outspoken racists against interracial marriage.


    Given that minorities in the gay community are romantically and sexually disenfranchised, I don't ever entertain allegories between race and sexuality. Christians don't like the idea of two men dating, but there are plenty of gays that don't like the idea of different races of men dating. Does that mean I wouldn't support gay rights?

    It's a silly argument.
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:45 AM GMT
    That is the Hard Left's version of "truth" and "light" - i.e., if you disagree with me even slightly, I will vilify you, and silence you, and throw you in a Gulag.


    Like it or not, even so-called hatred is covered by the First Amendment. The late Christopher Hitchens' rabidly anti-religious ravings are covered and so are the Phelps gang's anti-everything ravings.
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:55 AM GMT
    ya know what it sounds like to me.

    Sounds like you got handled.

    I've done this many times.

    Customer/member comes in with a complaint.

    You hear the complaint.

    You tell them exactly what they want to hear.

    They go away with "WOW that was amazing I feel cared for and listened too"

    I watch you walk away thinking "WOW I don't give a fuck, what the hell was I doing before that knob started flapping his yap"
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    Nov 21, 2012 5:57 AM GMT
    noren saidThat is the Hard Left's version of "truth" and "light" - i.e., if you disagree with me even slightly, I will vilify you, and silence you, and throw you in a Gulag.


    Like it or not, even so-called hatred is covered by the First Amendment. The late Christopher Hitchens' rabidly anti-religious ravings are covered and so are the Phelps gang's anti-everything ravings.


    My thoughts exactly. I'm sure a lot of lefties would love to bring European/Canadian style hate speech laws to this country and if they ever dare we will slap their faces with the First Amendment.

    "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
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    Ah dammit, I vowed not to get political on here but here I am.

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    Nov 21, 2012 6:53 AM GMT
    kevmoran saidFor clarity, we're not talking church on Sunday kind of religious. Salvation Army donates to Westboro Baptist Church and supports shock therapy for homosexual youth.


    needs citation.
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    Nov 21, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
    Shyguy_1986 said
    noren saidThat is the Hard Left's version of "truth" and "light" - i.e., if you disagree with me even slightly, I will vilify you, and silence you, and throw you in a Gulag.


    Like it or not, even so-called hatred is covered by the First Amendment. The late Christopher Hitchens' rabidly anti-religious ravings are covered and so are the Phelps gang's anti-everything ravings.


    My thoughts exactly. I'm sure a lot of lefties would love to bring European/Canadian style hate speech laws to this country and if they ever dare we will slap their faces with the First Amendment.

    "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    Voltaire

    Ah dammit, I vowed not to get political on here but here I am.



    Now then, If the Salvation Army was pumping money into Hate speech laws and giving money to orgs that were also lobbying for laws to silence dissent and put dissenters in Gulags would you guys be giving them money?

    Would you be championing their right to set up donation kiosks outside of stores or put donation boxes in stores?

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    Nov 21, 2012 3:37 PM GMT
    We haven't talked in a while, but I agree with these other guys, and have to say; you're Awesome! Small things make a world of difference sometimes. Glad you spoke your mind. Like a butterfly flapping it's wings in an unchanged world. icon_razz.gif
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    Nov 22, 2012 6:53 AM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN said
    dc415 saidi wonder how many of you would be defending the "Salvation Army" if they were outspoken racists against interracial marriage.


    Given that minorities in the gay community are romantically and sexually disenfranchised, I don't ever entertain allegories between race and sexuality. Christians don't like the idea of two men dating, but there are plenty of gays that don't like the idea of different races of men dating. Does that mean I wouldn't support gay rights?

    It's a silly argument.


    OK Christians "not liking" two people of the same sex dating is *not* the same as the hangups that some gay guys have "interracial" dating. I don't think you'll find very many, if any, gay guys who will say that interracial couples **should not be allowed at all**, that it should be legislated against, and that interracial couples should not have the same rights and privileges and same-race couples have.

    My point is that people tend to be awfully forgiving of "nice" organizations that just happen to think gay people are evil. "Oh, old Mr. Burns thinks that god hates fags, but that's OK because he donated to help Hurricane Katrina victims." Really?
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    Nov 22, 2012 7:25 AM GMT
    Shyguy_1986 said
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    ... Besides, everyone's entitled to their opinion...


    And, everyone's got one. Like asshat n00b trollz. And, they all "smell".

    Now run along and go be an hero.

    Goodbye.
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    Nov 22, 2012 7:31 AM GMT
    Shyguy, you are aware of course that several years back the SA threatened to close all of the soup kitchens, etc. in Manhattan if the city began requiring companies it gave contracts to give partner benefits to gay/lesbian employees? Holding charity as randsom to get your way is hardly charitable.
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    Nov 22, 2012 7:53 AM GMT
    noren saidLike it or not, even so-called hatred is covered by the First Amendment. The late Christopher Hitchens' rabidly anti-religious ravings are covered and so are the Phelps gang's anti-everything ravings.

    Yes, but this isn't a First Amendment issue.
    The supermarket -- and its customers -- might rather not have these people on their (private) property collecting money.

    Maybe we should start a contra-army to collect funds and distribute them to our charities.
    And yes, I mean to compete with the Salvation Army. To tell their donors: WAIT, do you know where that money is going?
    It may not play well in some places, but will in some.

    Victory #1: supermarket kicks out Salvation Army.
    Victory #2: our charities pick up the slack.
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    Dec 04, 2012 7:17 AM GMT
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    noren saidLike it or not, even so-called hatred is covered by the First Amendment. The late Christopher Hitchens' rabidly anti-religious ravings are covered and so are the Phelps gang's anti-everything ravings.

    Yes, but this isn't a First Amendment issue.
    The supermarket -- and its customers -- might rather not have these people on their (private) property collecting money.

    Maybe we should start a contra-army to collect funds and distribute them to our charities.
    And yes, I mean to compete with the Salvation Army. To tell their donors: WAIT, do you know where that money is going?
    It may not play well in some places, but will in some.

    Victory #1: supermarket kicks out Salvation Army.
    Victory #2: our charities pick up the slack.


    Victory#2 how many gay men do you know that would put in the dedication of standing outside in the cold all night even on week-ends??
    Oh yeah you solved that one...NOT
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    Dec 04, 2012 7:27 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidSounds so insincere, why bother?

    because that's what customer service is about.

    You make the customer feel valued and appreciated while costing the company as little as possible.

    The company losses fifteen minutes of your time but keeps a customer..

    You just saved the company money and it's cost them only a tiny bit.

    That's the whole principle behind customer service to manage customers.

    The idea that an employee is there to help the customer is absurd they aren't they are there to help the company make more money and get paid doing it.


    I've an incredibly dim view of customer service it's critically important to every company but I don't personally like the falseness behind it.

    But I've unfortunately been inside of meetings about public interfacing and see what people are really like and what companies are really wanting to accomplish.


    Come into our store and we will help you

    We will appreciate you

    We will help you

    We will help you spend money

    We will help you spend money in our store

    We will help you spend money in our store repeatedly

    We value you as a customer when your spending money in our store.