A holiday guide to arguing with your right-wing relatives

  • metta

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    Nov 22, 2012 5:44 PM GMT
    A holiday guide to arguing with your right-wing relatives

    http://www.salon.com/2012/11/22/a_holiday_guide_to_arguing_with_your_right_wing_relatives/?source=newsletter

    I think it would be better to avoid, if possible, the political discussions for the day. icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 22, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    Better still, just avoid those relatives you don't like. If the ones you don't like happen to be with the ones you do like, well, avoid them too.

    Convention may dictate that, on high days and holidays, you have to suffer these people , but you really don't.
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    Nov 22, 2012 11:42 PM GMT
    Where's the holiday guide to arguing with your left wing relatives?icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 23, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    Ok, i'll jump in the shallow end because there is soooo much here on RJ about right wing gays being bad.....i'm middle of the road, admittedly moved from right wing.....but here's my point....if you really want 'us' to fit into mainstream...then stop catagorizing us as 'left wing' or democrat simply because we are gay.....we are people, same as everyone...;our political bents, wants, economic brackets etc. are diversified....we are too..you want the other team to see us as we would like, then stop the bullshit and act like you're part of society.....ok, i'm gonna get a glass of wine....in a plastic cup..........
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    Nov 23, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidBetter still, just avoid those relatives you don't like. If the ones you don't like happen to be with the ones you do like, well, avoid them too.

    Convention may dictate that, on high days and holidays, you have to suffer these people , but you really don't.


    I agree with you. Just left my brother in-law's house for the last time. And just in time, to avoid an argument. Why do people choose to be assholes?
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    Nov 23, 2012 12:28 AM GMT
    We do not talk politics at family gatherings.
    When it starts going in that direction, I change the subject.

    "Oh look! We're having weather! Oh how I just love weather! Don't you?"
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    Nov 23, 2012 1:31 AM GMT
    Religion, sex and politics are topics that should be avoided at gatherings, meetings, parties, etc. unless we are absolutely certain that each and every person present is in agreement and won't be offended - - - or, unless the whole gathering is set up for a debate. We should want all of our guests to be comfortable and there are other places and times to discuss or debate issues. Intelligent people can find a whole lot of other interesting topics to discuss, instead of those three topics that cause hurt feelings. How much chance do we have of changing somebody's mind about a topic anyway? And why should we be so selfish as to ruin a host's dinner party because we might want to stir it up with someone? A good host makes sure everything goes smoothly, and everybody has a good time. A good guest has a responsibility to be pleasant and good company - - not to stir up a debate. Intelligent people with good breeding and manners know how to behave and treat the people they are with.
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    Nov 23, 2012 1:35 AM GMT
    Wow...One of my friends that came to eat dinner at my home has a friend that left her families home because of politics. Her son left with her. His wife and her side of the family were extremely nasty and insisted on talking right wing politics so they both left. I have a feeling that that marriage will not last much longer.
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    Nov 23, 2012 1:46 AM GMT
    My family is small. It's just me, my parents, and my older brother. All my relatives from both sides of the family are either dead, stuck in Spain, stuck in Mexico, or completely estranged from us. I haven't seen any of these people in 15+ years. I have no complaints and don't miss anyone, lol. No one to argue with.
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    Nov 23, 2012 2:04 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidWhere's the holiday guide to arguing with your left wing relatives?icon_lol.gif


    Thank God, I don't have any left wingers. Well, my younger brother is a little left of center, but he knows when he's grossly out numbered.
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    Nov 23, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
    It depresses me when people are afraid of debating things with people who might disagree with them.

    You know it's always possible that you might be wrong... whatever your beliefs are. The most intelligent people change their opinions if presented with a better argument or evidence that contradicts their view.
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    Nov 23, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
    ^
    debating and discussion are different than arguing.
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    Nov 23, 2012 2:31 AM GMT
    There's no political discussion at our holidays, cuz we all agree. HA!
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    Nov 23, 2012 12:19 PM GMT
    Political discussion at my holiday table

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    Nov 23, 2012 12:45 PM GMT
    " A good host makes sure everything goes smoothly, and everybody has a good time. A good guest has a responsibility to be pleasant and good company - - not to stir up a debate. Intelligent people with good breeding and manners know how to behave and treat the people they are with."

    A Better Idea

    Be yourself and allow your friends to engage with each other as they wish.

    Trying to be the perfect little socialite is exhausting and will require more than good breeding and manners. You'll need a bottomless cocktail and a handful of Xanax to keep up appearances.
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    Nov 24, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
    GeorgeLifts said" A good host makes sure everything goes smoothly, and everybody has a good time. A good guest has a responsibility to be pleasant and good company - - not to stir up a debate. Intelligent people with good breeding and manners know how to behave and treat the people they are with."

    A Better Idea

    Be yourself and allow your friends to engage with each other as they wish.

    Trying to be the perfect little socialite is exhausting and will require more than good breeding and manners. You'll need a bottomless cocktail and a handful of Xanax to keep up appearances.


    Some of us don't need to be drunk or drugged to provide a pleasant environment for guests. My s.o. and I have gotten along just fine hosting mix of dinner guests from a broad range of society. Regardless of their financial situations, level of education, or even their living situations - our friends all enjoy their evenings at our house without our needing, as hosts, the crutch of drugs or alcohol to see that they enjoyed themselves.