Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

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    Nov 23, 2012 2:48 AM GMT
    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/student-suspension/
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    Nov 23, 2012 3:39 PM GMT
    Update:
    http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/11/23/judge-temporarily-saves-teenage-girl-facing-suspension-for-refusing-to-wear-rfid-tag-in-school/?fromcat=all
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    Nov 24, 2012 5:39 AM GMT
    Hmm...the public didn't want the RFID chips, so they (govt) decided to get it started in schools where kids have no choice. That way they grow up accustomed to being monitored 24/7 as they get older.

    Clever...very clever. And scary.
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    Nov 24, 2012 2:08 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidHmm...the public didn't want the RFID chips, so they (govt) decided to get it started in schools where kids have no choice. That way they grow up accustomed to being monitored 24/7 as they get older.

    Clever...very clever. And scary.


    Paul, it's important to understand an independent school is NOT a public school. It's private.
    " Independent schools "own themselves" (as opposed to public schools owned by the government or parochial schools owned by the church) and govern themselves, typically with a self-perpetuating board of trustees that performs fiduciary duties of oversight and strategic duties of funding and setting the direction and vision of the enterprise, and by delegating day to day operations entirely to the head of school.
    Independent schools finance themselves (as opposed to public schools funded through the government and parochial schools subsidized by the church), largely through charging tuition, fund raising, and income from endowment.
    Independence is the unique characteristic of this segment of the education industry, offering schools four freedoms that contribute to their success: the freedom to define their own unique missions; the freedom to admit and keep only those students well-matched to the mission; the freedom to define the qualifications for high quality teachers; and the freedom to determine on their own what to teach and how to assess student achievement and progress." -wikipedia

    Many businesses also require you to wear ID at all times and sometimes microchipped ID so they can track your every movement and also for employees to gain access to secure work sites.
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    Nov 24, 2012 2:40 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Many businesses also require you to wear ID at all times and sometimes microchipped ID so they can track your every movement and also for employees to gain access to secure work sites.


    A microchipped ID isn't a tracker. Our military ID's have a microchip and it's just for storing data. The same with pet microchips. They can't track a lost pet by means of a microchip.
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    meninlove said
    Many businesses also require you to wear ID at all times and sometimes microchipped ID so they can track your every movement and also for employees to gain access to secure work sites.


    A microchipped ID isn't a tracker. Our military ID's have a microchip and it's just for storing data. The same with pet microchips. They can't track a lost pet by means of a microchip.


    Usually not, but sometimes yes they are also equipped for tracking purposes. Like the independent school in question they are private business and, it's important to recognize, NOT gov't. The article and what has happened argues for more government regulation of independent schools.
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    Nov 24, 2012 2:55 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidHmm...the public didn't want the RFID chips, so they (govt) decided to get it started in schools where kids have no choice. That way they grow up accustomed to being monitored 24/7 as they get older.

    Clever...very clever. And scary.
    This isn't only scary, it is fascistic on the government's part. This means that the constitutional right to privacy is being rapidly eroded by our control freak politicians. It is time to start stripping the government of access to all this high tech surveillance. People are getting sick and damned tired of the same old song and dance from politicians "it is for your protection".
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    Nov 24, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidHmm...the public didn't want the RFID chips, so they (govt) decided to get it started in schools where kids have no choice. That way they grow up accustomed to being monitored 24/7 as they get older.

    Clever...very clever. And scary.
    This isn't only scary, it is fascistic on the government's part. This means that the constitutional right to privacy is being rapidly eroded by our control freak politicians. It is time to start stripping the government of access to all this high tech surveillance. People are getting sick and damned tired of the same old song and dance from politicians "it is for your protection".


    Bob, Homeland Security (George Bush's baby), does it, but this is not about gov't doing it, it's PRIVATE BUSINESS. These are not gov't schools!

    here's another example of business using it: http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=111561

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    Nov 24, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    roadbikeRob said
    paulflexes saidHmm...the public didn't want the RFID chips, so they (govt) decided to get it started in schools where kids have no choice. That way they grow up accustomed to being monitored 24/7 as they get older.

    Clever...very clever. And scary.
    This isn't only scary, it is fascistic on the government's part. This means that the constitutional right to privacy is being rapidly eroded by our control freak politicians. It is time to start stripping the government of access to all this high tech surveillance. People are getting sick and damned tired of the same old song and dance from politicians "it is for your protection".


    Bob, Homeland Security (George Bush's baby), does it, but this is not about gov't doing it, it's PRIVATE BUSINESS. These are not gov't schools!

    here's another example of business using it: http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=111561



    Wrong again:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northside_Independent_School_District

    Type and location
    Type: Public
    Grades: K-12
    Country: USA
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    Nov 24, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
    LOL, Riddler, we looked at what an independent school is in the US and they are not gov't public schools; they are independent, though public access. It's privatization at work, which you supposedly love. Part of their funding comes from the State, and it's being reduced, so RIFD is being introduced as a way to cut costs and regain some funding by reducing truancy.

    The State of Texas has cut education funding by 61.4 million, something you approve of. The RFID will supposedly boost attendance numbers with a more accurate count.


    Good grief,

    Here, I'm feeling sorry for you today so I'll throw you a bone:

    Your link:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northside_Independent_School_District

    ...but you should have looked here as well:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_school


    Do I agree with it? Nope. But it is the hallmark of business to do such a thing, contrary to your chicken little cries of government.

    That said, it's interesting that a Red State would allow the implementataion such a thing, isn't it? Shades of Mr Bushie's homeland security.

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    Nov 24, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
    meninlove said LOL, Riddler, we looked at what an independent school is in the US and they are not gov't public schools; they are independent, though public access. It's privatization at work, which you supposedly love. Part of their funding comes from the State, and it's being reduced, so RIFD is being introduced as a way to cut costs and regain some funding by reducing truancy.

    The State of Texas has cut education funding by 61.4 million, something you approve of. The RFID will supposedly boost attendance numbers with a more accurate count.


    Good grief,

    Here, I'm feeling sorry for you today so I'll throw you a bone:

    Your link:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northside_Independent_School_District

    ...but you should have looked here as well:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_school


    Do I agree with it? Nope. But it is the hallmark of business to do such a thing, contrary to your chicken little cries of government.

    That said, it's interesting that a Red State would allow the implementataion such a thing, isn't it? Shades of Mr Bushie's homeland security.



    They are public schools. There is nothing "private" or "Independent" about them. They are the only school district in that area and they are publicly run.

    They are not private AT ALL.

    Again you rattle along on topics you know nothing about, jumping to a conclusion based on the districts name. Claiming that "we looked into it" The political diatribe about business and "Mr Bushie"have nothing to do with this at all.


    wiki
    Northside Independent School District is a public school district located in northern Wilbarger County, Texas (USA). The district's school campus Northside School is located on U.S. Highway 283, 10 miles north of Vernon, Texas.

    MANY MANY schools and school districts in the US use the word Independent in name but are public.

    You are what I call Google smart. "using a string of google searches " without the proper context to make a point. IT FAILED.


    In fact many public schools in Texas are called "independent" , the reason is that they are Independent from the county or local control. But they are still public schools that are run by the state of Texas.
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    Nov 24, 2012 8:44 PM GMT


    *looks at musclemed's loose cannon diatribe and laughs*

    You so mad, brah.

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    Nov 24, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    *looks at musclemed's loose cannon diatribe and laughs*

    You so mad, brah.



    Yea bud or buds. But you went off with both barrels against Riddler78, with INCORRECT information.

    who is the loose cannon who tries to belittle someone with false information? If you really didnt know the information why bother right ??

    the independent schools are not privatization at work.
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    Nov 24, 2012 8:59 PM GMT


    lol, so whose wiki is right, musclemed, ours or riddler's? icon_lol.gif

    omg, we have different versions of Wiki! That must be it!


    ...and you're also telling me I have to listen to you, a faceless anonymous RJ profile instead of googling info.
    You've also tried to red herring focus away from the fact that, if it IS a public school it is a Red State gov't approving this, and I imagine that makes you very very uncomfortable, especially with George Bushie's homeland security offered as another example.


    And inferring business has nothing to do with this kind of surveillance is crap as well. You obviously have never worked for large corporations requiring varying levels of security. You protest it and you're fired, lol.

    Egads, what nuttery.


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    Nov 24, 2012 9:11 PM GMT
    Um, the school district in question here is a public school system, and it is not a private initiative. Afaik there have been no private schools that have dared to do such a thing (imagine the outcry from board members)...
    ...which only makes it more concerning, in the great libertarian state of Texas.
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    Nov 24, 2012 9:17 PM GMT
    just letting you rattling of is my simple reply.



    You got it wrong , because you just do not know what your are talking about. Red state / blue state does not matter. No need to go into the politics of Texas. It wasnt always RED.
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    Nov 24, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidUm, the school district in question here is a public school system, and it is not a private initiative. Afaik there have been no private schools that have dared to do such a thing (imagine the outcry from board members)...
    ...which only makes it more concerning, in the great libertarian state of Texas.


    Thank you for being honest.
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    Nov 24, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidUm, the school district in question here is a public school system, and it is not a private initiative. Afaik there have been no private schools that have dared to do such a thing (imagine the outcry from board members)...
    ...which only makes it more concerning, in the great libertarian state of Texas.


    Thanks, Q, (who I trust) I stand happily corrected. icon_wink.gif

    Sorry musclemed, you hold absolutely zero credibility as far as I'm concerned.

    Do have a nice day. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

    Q, are these schools public or private?

    http://www.rfidnews.org/2008/09/09/schools-using-rfid-for-security-enhancement



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    Nov 24, 2012 9:36 PM GMT
    I call bullshit on this one. It is impossible to triangulate on a piece of hardware that _doesn't_contain_a_battery._

    Hell, the only way we can triangulate with a cellphone is with the aid of an SSID map of nearby WiFi networks.

    A future career in the restaurant industry is strong with this one.

    Next.
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    Nov 24, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
    RobertF64 saidI call bullshit on this one. It is impossible to triangulate on a piece of hardware that _doesn't_contain_a_battery._

    Hell, the only way we can triangulate with a cellphone is with the aid of an SSID map of nearby WiFi networks.

    A future career in the restaurant industry is strong with this one.

    Next.


    Uh its working now all over the world.

    Basically it works like the RFID tags put on merchandise for stores to prevent theft.

    The antenna on the chip picks up a magnetic field of the scanner ( up to 20 feet away) to power the chip and relay information.

    It works .... Maybe research it. http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/technology-article.asp
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    Nov 24, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
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    Q, are these schools public or private?

    http://www.rfidnews.org/2008/09/09/schools-using-rfid-for-security-enhancement


    Wow, that is a private Christian school. And they also have uniforms.

    It's the mark of the beast! assimilate.gif
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    Nov 24, 2012 10:15 PM GMT
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    Kids aren't free-adults....they've been little more than chattel throughout history. When they're old enough to make their own decisions, they can decide to wear or not wear such things (within the parameters of a job that might require it). Until then, I frankly expect kids to shut the fuck up and do what they're told to.


    I agree...in the same vein of thought, parents should be held accountable and pay fines for their children who skip school, since the former are primarily responsible for their "chattel." icon_lol.gif

    But what age is "old enough"?
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    Nov 24, 2012 10:32 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    Q, are these schools public or private?

    http://www.rfidnews.org/2008/09/09/schools-using-rfid-for-security-enhancement


    Wow, that is a private Christian school. And they also have uniforms.

    It's the mark of the beast! assimilate.gif


    I really think such things should be voluntary, in the case of parents worried about where the kids are and the increasingly kooky dangerous world we live in.

    Here's an interesting article. Apparently such surveillance has been going since 2004. Good Ol' Red Texas has also been monitoring what the kids eat.


    http://www.salon.com/2012/10/08/big_brother_invades_our_classrooms/


    "San Antonio is taking its cue from the Houston, TX, school district. It began using RFID chips to monitor students on 13 campuses in 2004. "

    Interesting that Riddler is making a topic about this now.

    Meanwhile in California, "Not all student-tracking programs work out as planned. In 2005, the Brittan Elementary School in Sutter, CA, abandoned an experimental Tag and Track program. Like similar programs, this RFID tracking used mandatory ID badges to track children’s movements in and around the school. Promoted by a local vendor, InCom, the schools board pulled the plug after the EFF and ACLU raised concerns that the program breached children’s right to privacy."

    Then there's the cameras, lol.
    "Dr. Roberto Trevino of the San Antonio-based Social and Health Research Center acknowledged, “We’re going to snap a picture of the food tray at the cashier and we will know what has been served.” San Antonio’s Pascual Gonzalez reported that John Jay High has 200 surveillance cameras and Anson Jones Middle School has about 90."


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    Nov 26, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
    RobertF64 saidI call bullshit on this one. It is impossible to triangulate on a piece of hardware that _doesn't_contain_a_battery._

    Hell, the only way we can triangulate with a cellphone is with the aid of an SSID map of nearby WiFi networks.

    A future career in the restaurant industry is strong with this one.

    Next.


    Yes, it is possible to determine position in space (triangulate) an RFID tag. The tag may not be stationary, but the "reader" is. The RFID tag consists of a microchip attached to a radio antenna mounted on a substrate (id badge, product, pallet, etc.).
    The reader sends out radio waves which provides the RFID chip with the energy to communicate. The scanning antennas can be fixed. When a tag passes through the readers field, the tag detects the activation signal from the reader. That "wakes up" the RFID chip and the chip transmits the information stored.
    So, if a student has a badge containing their id information every time they pass a reader the reader will pick up their information. And, if the readers are in a fixed location, one can determine their location and movement.
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    Nov 28, 2012 8:27 PM GMT
    Yeah this is awful, but the government already have access to your personal data and current location etc. that people give away freely and willingly (Facebook). There's so many ways that the government (in America from what I can tell) is trying to spy on people, it's really disgusting.