Petitioning The President of the United States Gay Men Should be Allowed to Donate Blood

  • metta

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    Nov 23, 2012 7:53 PM GMT
    Petitioning The President of the United States
    Gay Men Should be Allowed to Donate Blood

    http://www.change.org/petitions/gay-men-should-be-allowed-to-donate-blood#


    They really need to put this on the white house petition site
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    Nov 23, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
    I have a question bout this:

    Don't they test all blood before they use it for diseases? So isn't banning gay men rundant when someone could easily use lie?
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    Nov 23, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    I'm kinda okay with them not allowing gay men to donate. I understand the reasons why and I'm cool with it.
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    Nov 23, 2012 10:37 PM GMT
    Jeron saidI'm kinda okay with them not allowing gay men to donate. I understand the reasons why and I'm cool with it.


    Their reasons are archaic and based on stereotypes. My roommate is straight and is incredibly promiscuous. He can go give blood any damn time he wants and yet I would have to lie.
  • LJay

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    Nov 23, 2012 10:46 PM GMT
    Why petition the president? He does not make such decisions, nor can he
    promulgate in the fashion of a monarch?

    Ya wanna make a fuss about this? That may well be a good idea, but a petition to the president does not seem to be a effective way to do it.
  • Medjai

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    Nov 23, 2012 10:46 PM GMT
    Bustamante said
    Jeron saidI'm kinda okay with them not allowing gay men to donate. I understand the reasons why and I'm cool with it.


    Their reasons are archaic and based on stereotypes. My roommate is straight and is incredibly promiscuous. He can go give blood any damn time he wants and yet I would have to lie.


    Here, they won't take any high risk blood. They have several questions, but your friend would not be able to give blood either. Though the stigma does remain that gays can't, regardless of sexual practices.
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    Nov 23, 2012 10:54 PM GMT
    Bustamante said
    Jeron saidI'm kinda okay with them not allowing gay men to donate. I understand the reasons why and I'm cool with it.


    Their reasons are archaic and based on stereotypes. My roommate is straight and is incredibly promiscuous. He can go give blood any damn time he wants and yet I would have to lie.


    Not true here in the UK.

    Here, promiscuous person, straight or gay, is not allowed to donate. And I, for one, would not want to receive blood from a questionable donor if I was the recipient.
  • FredMG

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    Nov 23, 2012 10:58 PM GMT
    Well, since who does or does not get to donate blood one of the constitutional powers of the president, maybe the petition should go to the USDA which is the controlling authority.
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    Nov 23, 2012 11:01 PM GMT
    LJay saidWhy petition the president? He does not make such decisions, nor can he
    promulgate in the fashion of a monarch?

    Ya wanna make a fuss about this? That may well be a good idea, but a petition to the president does not seem to be a effective way to do it.


    Hasn't the "We The People" petition thing for the White House become somewhat of a joke anyway?

    Currently the bulk of it, I've read, consists of nuts petitioning to secede their states from the U.S. and liberals firing back with petitions to strip the secessionists of citizenship or exile them.
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  • metta

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    Nov 23, 2012 11:27 PM GMT
    Jeron saidI'm kinda okay with them not allowing gay men to donate. I understand the reasons why and I'm cool with it.


    I have been celibate for many years, have never had a sexually transmitted disease,and I'm hiv negative. I think I have only had the flu once. I bet you my blood is safer than most straight people.
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    Nov 23, 2012 11:42 PM GMT
    Just lie. Jesus, who is going to follow you in when you give blood, your bleeding rectum?
  • TroyAthlete

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    Nov 23, 2012 11:43 PM GMT
    Let's finish the marriage equality stuff first.
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    Nov 24, 2012 12:33 AM GMT
    I wish they would also take blood from people who lived in Europe during the '80s to mid '90s icon_cry.gif

  • Medjai

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    Nov 24, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    Jeron saidI'm kinda okay with them not allowing gay men to donate. I understand the reasons why and I'm cool with it.


    I have been celibate for many years, have never had a sexually transmitted disease,and I'm hiv negative. I think I have only had the flu once. I bet you my blood is safer than most straight people.


    I'm pretty sure you covered your HIV status when saying you've never had an STI.

    mickeytopogigio saidJust lie. Jesus, who is going to follow you in when you give blood, your bleeding rectum?


    So we should allow a system that forces us to lie about ourselves in order to be useful? I have a rare blood type and clean blood. Why should I be turned away for something irrelevant?
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    Nov 24, 2012 4:20 AM GMT
    The thing is they test all the blood before it goes to the hospital anyway, so why keep the ban? Back in the day I could understand why they would have the ban on gay men donating (lack of knowledge of HIV/AIDS) and no full proof screening measures , but today its pointless keeping it. If they want to do extra testing on blood from gay male donors over a period of time then do that, who cares. I know up here in Canada, Canadian Blood Services are starting to get low on reserves, so they can't "be picky" any longer. I actually took my name off the donator list (for obvious reasons) over a year ago and had a chat with a worker from Blood Services and lodged a complaint and she told me they are "in the workings" of changing it. Of course its run by the government so will take forever, but probably will change at some point.
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    Nov 24, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    About damn time! I've been wanted to donate blood since I graduated high school, when I told the Red Cross I was gay. Never was able to donate there ever again; and years later, wasn't able to donate plasma after they found I was epileptic... totally different story.
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    Nov 24, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
    The other thing is (I'm not sure if this is relevant for guy's living outside of Canada), but gay men in Canada at least can still donate bone marrow and stem cells (harvested from blood). If you're still wanting to do some good get on the registry for that.
  • Medjai

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    Nov 24, 2012 4:50 AM GMT
    squash1212 saidThe other thing is (I'm not sure if this is relevant for guy's living outside of Canada), but gay men in Canada at least can still donate bone marrow and stem cells (harvested from blood). If you're still wanting to do some good get on the registry for that.


    So extremely painful and dangerous is still okay?
  • Whipmagic

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    Nov 24, 2012 4:54 AM GMT
    FredPDX saidWell, since who does or does not get to donate blood one of the constitutional powers of the president, maybe the petition should go to the USDA which is the controlling authority.


    Under the doctrine of the "unitary executive", which was heavily promoted by W. and his lawyers, all actions of all agencies of the executive branch of the federal government are an exertion of the authority versted in the president. In other words, when a federal regulatory agency makes a rule as to who may donate blood, it's technically the president's decision. Therefore, he is the right person to petition. Unless, of course, you think the doctrine of the unitary executive is bull.
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    Nov 24, 2012 5:02 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    squash1212 saidThe other thing is (I'm not sure if this is relevant for guy's living outside of Canada), but gay men in Canada at least can still donate bone marrow and stem cells (harvested from blood). If you're still wanting to do some good get on the registry for that.


    So extremely painful and dangerous is still okay?


    I know its off topic from this thread, but not sure exactly what you mean by "is it still okay". Ya it can be painful, dangerous not so much but ya there are risks and hearing stories like this (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/stem-cell-and-bone-marrow-donation-require-commitment/article1392008/).
    "On Sept. 3, David Smyth died at Juravinski Cancer Centre in Hamilton, surrounded by his loving family.
    The 20-year-old student had leukemia - cancer of the blood or bone marrow. In the nine weeks between his diagnosis and death, David's only hope for survival was a bone marrow transplant.
    A match was never found.
    David had a dying wish: that the stem cell and marrow registry expand dramatically so that others with leukemia have a better chance of finding a life-saving match."
    It's a personal decision, so "it still being ok" depends on how you feel, but for me all i have to do is think of my sister (who is 22) and i would hope someone would donate for her to save her life if i wasn't a match. Knowing I could save someone's life, keep a family together...hell ya i would do it in a heart beat. Again all my personal choice, off topic from thread, but just giving another avenue if someone is up for this kind of donation.
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    Nov 24, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    We also can't donate sperm (except to each other).
  • mybud

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    Nov 24, 2012 6:30 AM GMT
    Bustamante said
    Jeron saidI'm kinda okay with them not allowing gay men to donate. I understand the reasons why and I'm cool with it.


    Their reasons are archaic and based on stereotypes. My roommate is straight and is incredibly promiscuous. He can go give blood any damn time he wants and yet I would have to lie.
    totally agree.....
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    Nov 24, 2012 7:06 AM GMT
    why can't we just say we didn't have sex with a guy. It would be better if they change it but a little lie here and there won't hurt if your blood is going to good use......gay men should change their sexual behavior a little bit to regain their reputation....sorry but most of gay are guys and guys are sexual....i know it is flawed when i said it but its kinda the truth to most people if they don't know about gay people. Just like how we love to use the word " F U C *" on here
  • Bull777333

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    Nov 24, 2012 7:09 AM GMT
    I saw if you are clean and KNOW you are clean and really passionate about giving blood. Just lie. It's not like they are going to do some background gay check on you.
  • great_scott

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    Nov 24, 2012 2:55 PM GMT
    I can see how some guys may take offense to it, but this ban is in place for our protection too. The CDC says MSM are only 2 percent of the population but account for over 60 percent of new HIV infections; that's really bad. Proposing to lift any ban before first changing that stat seems like jumping the gun.