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    Sep 09, 2008 1:38 PM GMT
    So, I've been working out consistently for almost 2 yrs now. I got in great shape only to decide to bulk up and..well..gained a lot of fat. Thankfully I am in better shape now than when I started but I still have some remaining fat that I need to get rid of. My question would be, if having a caloric deficit helps you lose weight, a caloric surplus makes you gain muscle mass and fat), how about if you just eat about enough calories to get your body running? If you work out consistently and intensely, do your muscles not grow, do they remain the same?
    And I'm talking about having a clean diet btw..
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    Sep 13, 2008 1:49 PM GMT
    Eating more to bulk up only really adds fat..

    Unfortunately one of the biggest perpetuated misinformation topics there is: eat more if you want to build muscle. This is second only to "eat more protein to gain muscle".

    Simply not true so long as you're eating enough to be healthy and have fat to lose.

    As you workout to add muscle you should see fat deposits decrease as your body begins consuming more calories yet you're not feeding it more---if fat isn't decreasing then you're still eating too much for your activity level and metabolism.

    Watch your abs: they're a great barometer of how you're doing. You should always be able to see your six-pack. If you can't, it's time to trim back some calories. Just be careful you don't try to restrict calories too much---you do need to eat!


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    Sep 14, 2008 3:23 AM GMT
    Thanks! It definitely makes more sense than "eat more to bulk", both times I tried doing that I ended up looking fat, still trying to get rid of some of the fat from the last bulk
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    Sep 14, 2008 8:58 AM GMT
    It's always a balancing act
    Primarily calories in have to equal calories out

    If you eat more than you expend your body is going to store those extra calories as fat
    plain and simple
    but if you are working out heavily your body is gong to need some energy to make muscle
    so you will some good calories for that too
    Some guys like to work in cycles
    where they BULK UP... or get fat to some extent and then lean down over the next few months
    I try to do it the harder way and remain as lean as I can all the time
    and it's just keeping a clean healthy diet as much as I can
    4 meals
    regular portions
    balanced meats.. vegetables and some protein supplementation
    and american is right

    ... the mirror should always be your guide
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    Sep 14, 2008 3:04 PM GMT
    Yep.. definitely use the mirror---never the scale!

    A lot of guys on here will disagree with me about eating more (they say you need to).. but look at some of them LOL... many are ripped and carrying around tons of muscle---muscle that must be fed else they'll lose it!

    But if you're more in the normal range, AND you've got some fat to lose (even a little; in other words, you can't see a full six-pack), then DO NOT change your diet (except perhaps toward eating healthier whole foods) and step up your activity level with a good workout. Ignore the supplements, ignore the claims you need more protein, etc. Just eat healthily, workout HARD (but not too hard; and get plenty of rest days), and you'll see the fat drop and the muscle gain.

    To be clear, yes, you need to eat for muscle gains to occur, but the food you're already eating (else you'd be dead) will handle those needs.

    Later when you're ripped you will need to eat more to maintain that muscle.

    But I guarantee you that even someone who's ripped and perhaps eating a staggering 3500 calories a day to maintain all that muscle will still get fat themselves if they suddenly think they need to eat, eat, eat and take in 5000 calories a day while they continue to burn 3500. It's simple physics.

    Finally, also remember that not all fat is subcutaneous.. meaning, some fat is "marbled" within muscle (think beef steaks icon_razz.gif). So, losing fat might make some muscles appear to be shrinking when in fact they're not. Keep logs of the amount of weight you're able to lift. Some fluctuations on a daily basis are meaningless and often biochemical, but if you see an overall downtrend (highly unlikely unless you're not allowing enough rest days between workouts of the same muscle groups) then there's a prob. If you can still lift the same (and over time more weight) then all is good even if the muscles look smaller because you've lost some fat. The good news is you'll also be losing those lovehandles and such, and better yet: muscles will be more visibly defined as fat beneath your skin decreases icon_smile.gif


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    Sep 14, 2008 8:56 PM GMT
    liposuction is a very good solution for persistent fats. lipolysis(lecithin injection to fats) is also helpful.
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    Sep 15, 2008 1:40 AM GMT
    Right..thanks for the info. It's pretty much what I suspected. I tried the "bulking" and well..I bulked up all right, I became fat!!
    I'll just keep working out and hopefully get to where I am to be pretty soon!
    Thanks for the advice!