BlackBerry10 is looking really good

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    Nov 25, 2012 12:02 PM GMT
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=frG9g3He6OI

    sorry its in french, but you get the idea icon_cool.gif
  • Trauts

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    Nov 25, 2012 12:11 PM GMT
    Lol, I thought it was a user on RJ. icon_lol.gif

    But yes, it does look good.
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    Nov 25, 2012 1:18 PM GMT
    5 years too late. Oh well.
  • TheAlchemixt

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    Nov 25, 2012 2:21 PM GMT
    I didn't know Blackberrys were still around. My phone is 5 yeas old. I only use my phone for calling and texting... icon_eek.gif
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    Nov 25, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    Cannot wait for BB10 to come out, my 1st BB was a Curve 8310, great little phone now have the Bold 9900. From everything they are saying about it, should be amazing.
  • jayatl56

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    Nov 25, 2012 8:55 PM GMT
    I have a 3g BB Torch and can't wait until my contract is up and I can upgrade. That's next month and I was going to get a new 4g BB Bold. But with the BB10 coming out in late January I'll wait to see what it's about.

    The reason I went with BB is simple - the keyboard. I like the tactile feel of keys and not a fan of the touch screen. I can handle my iPad but something smaller will probably give me fits. That said, and from looking at the video, I'll check out the BB10 and then decide what I want to do. The only downside I can see is that it look VERY utilitarian. I guess they were trying to avoid those rounded corners that got Samsung in trouble.
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    Nov 26, 2012 12:00 AM GMT
    smartmoney said5 years too late. Oh well.


    No. It appears RIM has been doing its homework.

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    Nov 26, 2012 12:04 AM GMT
    not bad
  • Medjai

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    Nov 26, 2012 12:16 AM GMT
    It's probably too little too late. They've lost their market.
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    Nov 26, 2012 12:17 AM GMT
    Medjai saidIt's probably too little too late. They've lost their market.


    their market is still growing though.. so how can that be true? its at 80 million users now. And how is it too little too late? its a next generation operating system, now ios and android are oldschool build for the mid 2000's. BB10 is built for 2013.
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    Nov 26, 2012 12:20 AM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 said
    Medjai saidIt's probably too little too late. They've lost their market.


    their market is still growing though.. so how can that be true? its at 80 million users now. And how is it too little too late? its a next generation operating system, now ios and android are oldschool build for the mid 2000's. BB10 is built for 2013.


    At of May 2012, RIM, Blackberry's parent company, has declared they are no longer turning profit. The Blackberry 10 is their last ditch attempt to recover. If this doesn't pan out, they're going into receivership. That's not conjecture either, it's their official statement.

    Blackberry is a sinking ship. They had their time, but people are moving on. Their decision to avoid touch technology for so long likely killed them.
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    Nov 26, 2012 12:23 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    RuggedRanger15 said
    Medjai saidIt's probably too little too late. They've lost their market.


    their market is still growing though.. so how can that be true? its at 80 million users now. And how is it too little too late? its a next generation operating system, now ios and android are oldschool build for the mid 2000's. BB10 is built for 2013.


    At of May 2012, RIM, Blackberry's parent company, has declared they are no longer turning profit. The Blackberry 10 is their last ditch attempt to recover. If this doesn't pan out, they're going into receivership. That's not conjecture either, it's their official statement.

    Blackberry is a sinking ship. They had their time, but people are moving on. Their decision to avoid touch technology for so long likely killed them.


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  • Medjai

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    Nov 26, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 said
    Medjai said
    RuggedRanger15 said
    Medjai saidIt's probably too little too late. They've lost their market.


    their market is still growing though.. so how can that be true? its at 80 million users now. And how is it too little too late? its a next generation operating system, now ios and android are oldschool build for the mid 2000's. BB10 is built for 2013.


    At of May 2012, RIM, Blackberry's parent company, has declared they are no longer turning profit. The Blackberry 10 is their last ditch attempt to recover. If this doesn't pan out, they're going into receivership. That's not conjecture either, it's their official statement.

    Blackberry is a sinking ship. They had their time, but people are moving on. Their decision to avoid touch technology for so long likely killed them.


    (Stock chart)


    You're looking at stock numbers, not profits. Completely different charts.

    You can deny it all you want, but that is their official statement. A company simply doesn't announce it's a sinking ship unless it actually is.
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    Nov 26, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
    what makes you think the market is static and doesnt change? Are you saying no one will leave samsung or apple ever again? Thats it, game over, no one should try. What a weird view you have. If something better comes to market people tend to move towards that. Thats why they left blackberry in the first place. Now with ios being old and dated and honesty extremely boring, people will try new things.
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    Nov 26, 2012 12:29 AM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 saidwhat makes you think the market is static and doesnt change? Are you saying no one will leave samsung or apple ever again? Thats it, game over, no one should try. What a weird view you have. If something better comes to market people tend to move towards that. Thats why they left blackberry in the first place. Now with ios being old and dated and honesty extremely boring, people will try new things.


    True, Blackberry 10 could save them. I'm just not hopeful. It's a big risk, to be honest. For the mobile market, most profit is made off corporate sales, as opposed to private. It doesn't seem likely that a lot of big contracts would go to a company that's admitted such financial hardships. If the company goes under, so does support for all their phones.

    Without corporate support, which doesn't seem likely to arrive, Blackberry will die by the end of the next fiscal year.
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    Nov 26, 2012 12:30 AM GMT
    RIM is definitely fighting for its life... as for its share price increase - it serves as a good sign of investor confidence. However, those numbers you posted, Rugged, show a negative EPS which is, in fact, the indicator of a company's profitability.
    Tough call yet to say whether or not the company will go down. I hope it stays around as it is a Canadian company icon_smile.gif
  • jayatl56

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    Nov 26, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
    I don't think it's JUST the touch screen technology that's been hurting them. I believe that people have been wooed by the glitz of Apple from day one. Let's face it, Blackberry was the first real email phone on the market and had the lion's share when it came to corporate customers namely because of how secure the BB servers were for mail transmission. And BB Messenger was a great addition to the device for even more secure communication (remember there were countries that wanted to block BB Messenger because they couldn't tap into it.) Even our State Department preferred Blackberry's for that reason. SMS messaging could be easily monitored by the service providers. It stayed that way for some time even while Apple and Google and the like produced more entertainment oriented devices (IMHO). Then they started having black outs and service interruptions which caused many corporations to question just how reliable BB was.

    For me, I still like the keypad but the Torch's keyboard is small and I get thumb cramps. The Bold has a larger keypad and now has a touch screen and is 4g. If the 10 doesn't thrill me, I'm going Bold.
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    Nov 26, 2012 12:34 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    RuggedRanger15 saidwhat makes you think the market is static and doesnt change? Are you saying no one will leave samsung or apple ever again? Thats it, game over, no one should try. What a weird view you have. If something better comes to market people tend to move towards that. Thats why they left blackberry in the first place. Now with ios being old and dated and honesty extremely boring, people will try new things.


    True, Blackberry 10 could save them. I'm just not hopeful. It's a big risk, to be honest. For the mobile market, most profit is made off corporate sales, as opposed to private. It doesn't seem likely that a lot of big contracts would go to a company that's admitted such financial hardships. If the company goes under, so does support for all their phones.

    Without corporate support, which doesn't seem likely to arrive, Blackberry will die by the end of the next fiscal year.


    Blackberry has 80 percent of the corporate market.. they aren't in terrible financial shape, there are companies in the mobile market in FAR worse shape like Sony and Nokia.. RIM has a few billion in the bank and a AAA credit rating. People really have a negatively skewed vision of this company for some reason. But all these analysts who were predicting doom and gloom for them are now changing their tune after trying out the product and talking to carriers that are testing it.. its all over bloomberg and forbes.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/11/25/is-the-rim-renaissance-here-with-blackberry-10/?partner=yahootix

    http://www.techvibes.com/blog/blackberry-best-mobile-browser-2012-11-09

    http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2012/11/23/rimm-target-18m-bb10-units-for-profit-in-14-says-raymond-james/?mod=yahoobarrons

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    Nov 26, 2012 12:37 AM GMT
    jayatl56 saidI don't think it's JUST the touch screen technology that's been hurting them. I believe that people have been wooed by the glitz of Apple from day one. Let's face it, Blackberry was the first real email phone on the market and had the lion's share when it came to corporate customers namely because of how secure the BB servers were for mail transmission. And BB Messenger was a great addition to the device for even more secure communication (remember there were countries that wanted to block BB Messenger because they couldn't tap into it.) Even our State Department preferred Blackberry's for that reason. SMS messaging could be easily monitored by the service providers. It stayed that way for some time even while Apple and Google and the like produced more entertainment oriented devices (IMHO). Then they started having black outs and service interruptions which caused many corporations to question just how reliable BB was.

    For me, I still like the keypad but the Torch's keyboard is small and I get thumb cramps. The Bold has a larger keypad and now has a touch screen and is 4g. If the 10 doesn't thrill me, I'm going Bold.


    dont you feel the apple glitz is starting to wear thin? Friends that have iphones dont really seem to care anymore, its just a regular old phone now. iPhone5 was disappointing, ios 6 was disappointing, same old same old. That is what happened to RIM, now they have completely rebuilt the company from the top down and rebuilt their os and phones and are rebuilding their reputation. But we will see what happens by the end of 2013, i think by then we will know.
  • Medjai

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    Nov 26, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 said
    Medjai said
    RuggedRanger15 saidwhat makes you think the market is static and doesnt change? Are you saying no one will leave samsung or apple ever again? Thats it, game over, no one should try. What a weird view you have. If something better comes to market people tend to move towards that. Thats why they left blackberry in the first place. Now with ios being old and dated and honesty extremely boring, people will try new things.


    True, Blackberry 10 could save them. I'm just not hopeful. It's a big risk, to be honest. For the mobile market, most profit is made off corporate sales, as opposed to private. It doesn't seem likely that a lot of big contracts would go to a company that's admitted such financial hardships. If the company goes under, so does support for all their phones.

    Without corporate support, which doesn't seem likely to arrive, Blackberry will die by the end of the next fiscal year.


    Blackberry has 80 percent of the corporate market.. they aren't in terrible financial shape, there are companies in the mobile market in FAR worse shape like Sony and Nokia.. RIM has a few billion in the bank and a AAA credit rating. People really have a negatively skewed vision of this company for some reason. But all these analysts who were predicting doom and gloom for them are now changing their tune after trying out the product and talking to carriers that are testing it.. its all over bloomberg and forbes.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/11/25/is-the-rim-renaissance-here-with-blackberry-10/?partner=yahootix

    http://www.techvibes.com/blog/blackberry-best-mobile-browser-2012-11-09

    http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2012/11/23/rimm-target-18m-bb10-units-for-profit-in-14-says-raymond-james/?mod=yahoobarrons



    This isn't doom and gloom analysts. The point your missing is that the company announced this themselves. This isn't an outside prediction, this is an internal admission. They are going down, they know it, and Blackberry 10 is a last ditch, and valiant attempt at recovery. But the fact is, if this fails, so do they.

    Corporate sponsors will not renew with a dying company, which is what Blackberry publicly admitted to being. We'll see over the next fiscal year, but it is looking grim.
  • jayatl56

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    Nov 26, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    I agree. I think the Apple fad is passing and Apple knows it. They haven't really innovated at all. The iPhone hasn't changed much and as a matter of fact they seem to prefer litigation over innovation. Most of their new bells and whistles don't work well at all. Maybe the pendulum is swinging back towards Blackberry.
  • Jonno11

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    Nov 26, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
    Just ditched my BB Curve for an Iphone, as several others have in the past week. The phone is a POS, the warranty is non existant. My phone would freeze, lockup, crash or reboot itself every single day, usually several times a day. And all I got was Pay $200 and we'll look at it. No guarantees. It wasn't even a year old yet. There are a few things I will miss from BB, but so far my Iphone blows it out of the water. Sorry RIM, Canadian or not, your product is shit.
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    Nov 26, 2012 1:09 AM GMT
    Jonno11 saidJust ditched my BB Curve for an Iphone, as several others have in the past week. The phone is a POS, the warranty is non existant. My phone would freeze, lockup, crash or reboot itself every single day, usually several times a day. And all I got was Pay $200 and we'll look at it. No guarantees. It wasn't even a year old yet. There are a few things I will miss from BB, but so far my Iphone blows it out of the water. Sorry RIM, Canadian or not, your product is shit.


    Uhm, but this isn't about the Curve (which is a piece of shit), it's about the 10.

    The warranty on your Curve is non-existant (sic), and your phone would reboot itself several times a day? Damn, man, you had a one-in-a-million phone.

    And it's great that you love your iPhone ... really, it is, but you cannot speak for "several others".

    I could continue to call bullshit all over your post, but why bother?
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    Nov 26, 2012 1:12 AM GMT
    Jonno11 saidJust ditched my BB Curve for an Iphone, as several others have in the past week. The phone is a POS, the warranty is non existant. My phone would freeze, lockup, crash or reboot itself every single day, usually several times a day. And all I got was Pay $200 and we'll look at it. No guarantees. It wasn't even a year old yet. There are a few things I will miss from BB, but so far my Iphone blows it out of the water. Sorry RIM, Canadian or not, your product is shit.


    cool story bro.. curves are budget phones. If apple made a budget iphone im sure it wouldnt be as good as a high end phone. But again.. old bb's have ZERO resemblance to the new ones.
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    Dec 09, 2012 1:15 AM GMT
    Its getting close

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