How whites took over America

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    Nov 25, 2012 6:59 PM GMT


    Stumbled across this. It is kind of hilarious...
  • AMoonHawk

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    Nov 25, 2012 10:33 PM GMT
    That was wrong on so many levels.
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    Nov 25, 2012 10:53 PM GMT
    "It's hard to see racism when you're Indian"
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    funniest.
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    ever.
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    Nov 26, 2012 4:33 AM GMT
    That is not funny by any stretch of the imagination. That was the most stupid shit I ever wasted 5 minutes on.

    Where should I begin? Oh, let's start with how the whole scenario is fabricated to the point where the only basis in fact that exists is that white people left Europe and came to North America and met Indians. It stops being funny there because it in no way whatsoever, satirically portrays truth.

    Dude, the mere fact you would post this excrement as "funny" really shows me that you really have no compassion. I used to think maybe you really did care and weren't a total sleeze bag. That perhaps maybe underneath all that stupid republican bullshit you spew, that maybe you really did care about this country and her people. You have proven me wrong.

    I have a twisted sense of humor. On the sick humor scale I don't even rate this. Because it was pure fucking garbage.

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    Nov 26, 2012 2:19 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidThat is not funny by any stretch of the imagination. That was the most stupid shit I ever wasted 5 minutes on.

    Where should I begin? Oh, let's start with how the whole scenario is fabricated to the point where the only basis in fact that exists is that white people left Europe and came to North America and met Indians. It stops being funny there because it in no way whatsoever, satirically portrays truth.

    Dude, the mere fact you would post this excrement as "funny" really shows me that you really have no compassion. I used to think maybe you really did care and weren't a total sleeze bag. That perhaps maybe underneath all that stupid republican bullshit you spew, that maybe you really did care about this country and her people. You have proven me wrong.

    I have a twisted sense of humor. On the sick humor scale I don't even rate this. Because it was pure fucking garbage.



    Haha, you really didn't get it did you. It was making fun of the cognitive dissonance inherent in the West's prominent ideas that, 1) race doesn't matter at all because it's just skin color and we're all "the human race" and then (2. Oh wait! All of a sudden it does matter, but only as it relates to preserving people/culture/civilizations that happen to not be white. Basically the moral of the story is: make up your mind as to which ideal you want to believe otherwise you look like an obvious hypocritical fool. The video reveals something obvious that doesn't seem obvious anymore. The obvious being that:

    If race doesn't matter then today's ideas that "white" people are to blame for what happened to the Native Americans and so many other people is meaningless, because it was just another group of "humans" with no distinction and no racial meaning. One group of humans committed systematic genocide on another group of humans but since they are all the same and there's no difference at all why are there conversations (apart from the fact that everyone should be indignant about past and present humans suppressing and conquering others) about which racial group eliminated or undermined another one and why we should be worried about certain racial groups being protected on the very basis of race, since there's nothing you're protecting? If race is meaningless then the whole idea of human rights progress and race relations in this country is also meaningless. If race isn't meaningless then it matters and if it matters then people concerned about particular racial consciousness should be equally concerned about all and not doing anything to undermine one over the other.

    If you couldn't see that then you're just really clueless.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Nov 26, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
    You really didn't see the pathetic ignorance in this video?
    The true Native American belief is that no man can own land. The Earth belongs to all man.
    So what was the point here, to tell lies about native Americans and portray them as racist? To support the saying that "white man speak with forked tongue"?
    The video was a complete fail in trying to state, "if Indians were saying this instead of white people, and if white people were saying this instead of minorities ..."
    This video was nothing more than racist lies and propaganda crap.
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    Nov 26, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidYou really didn't see the pathetic ignorance in this video?
    The true Native American belief is that no man can own land. The Earth belongs to all man.
    So what was the point here, to tell lies about native Americans and portray them as racist? To support the saying that "white man speak with forked tongue"?
    The video was a complete fail in trying to state, "if Indians were saying this instead of white people, and if white people were saying this instead of minorities ..."
    This video was nothing more than racist lies and propaganda crap.


    "True" Native American belief? Umm, no, Native Americans have always felt and will always feel that the land was stolen from them and that the land belonged to them -- You are obviously unfamiliar with the history of how Native Americans tried to unite on the basis of things they had in common racially and culturally against the "white invaders" near the latter part of the struggle -- they even wanted to form their own united Indian nation within America. Not to mention, the Native American narrative was only used because of clarity convenience, any other culture could have been used and the point of the video would be exactly the same -- either race matters and it's okay for it to matter to some people or it doesn't matter and everything to do with distinctions on the basis of race is meaningless and irrelevant -- in ALL situations. The other point being, that in the west, it's only morally okay for any other race in the world other than whites to talk about protecting their people or culture from being displaced without being called racist. If it isn't "okay" for whites to be nationalistic on the basis of race then it isn't okay for others to do the same. And if it is okay, then it should be okay for all people of any race to have a "thing" for preserving and advancing their "race" or being interested in maintaining a majority in a country that they consider 'theirs".

    The point of the video was not to portray Native Americans as racist, it was using them in order to reveal the fact that "anti-racist" many times is meant to cloak an idea that is really, at its core, just anti-white. If whites can't be worried about going extinct or losing their majority on the basis of race without being racist then Native Americans should be historically viewed as being equally racist by not wanting to be outnumbered by whites back in the day. But none of us look at it that way, we look at Native Americas as genuinely having a reason to be bitter about being outnumbered and finally disenfranchised of their land and would never think of calling that racist. Of course, if you remove race from the equation then whites were just another bigger, stronger tribe conquering and forming a nation/country just like every other country in the past was formed and talking about things in terms of "Blacks were enslaved by whites" and "Indians were robbed of their land by whites" is meaningless since race wouldn't matter.

    It's ironic that you call the video racist when the video itself exposes the silly hypocritical philosophy that is responsible for why you're reacting the way you are.

  • Buddha

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    Nov 26, 2012 10:08 PM GMT
    That was the stupidest thing I've seen all day. It reminds me of this cartoon someone made of trying to ridicule the theory of evolution, and it just became embarassing to look at. I usually try to avoid being too subjective in most of my posts where opinions come in place, but I can't for this one because this is just fucking stupid.

    I had to skip parts of this to be honest. There was just so much wrong with it that I would have to be brain-dead to be even start being able to tolerate it.

    I get it, you want to justify the fact that you want to throw out immigrants out of your country so could maintain your aryan ways. So what's a scenario where one group of people immigrated to another? Oh yeah wasn't it like that when the British immigrated America?

    Oh wait. Immigrated? How about, invaded. I mean seriously, how are these two scenarios remotely comparable? We're talking about the British Empire expanding its territory to gain power, and comparing it to a world where people move from, sometimes terrible living conditions, in an attempt to build a better life. The only thing these have in common are the fact that one group of people travelled to a set of land where they encountered another group of people. "Oh you were raped? I know what you feel like, because once someone touched my shoulder, and since these two situations have the fact of 'one person touced someone else' in common, they are comparable". No they are fucking not.

    I mean why do idiots try so hard to hide their bigotry? It's not a big secret that most right-winged racist, everyone already knows, it would save us all so much trouble to say "Hey, I believe that I'm of a superior race". I would accept that more than all these attempts of trying to justify your hatred with logic. I'd still think you're a moron, but I'd think so either way.

    I also love the fact that video is trying to ridicule people arguing against racial biology. They're basically saying that everyone who's arguing against racial biology is invoking Godwin's law... but, we're talking about fucking racial biology. What other association are you suppoed to make with racial biology. I mean we're not talking about invoking Godwin's Law through saying "You're a vegetarian, Hitler was a vegetarian, vegetarians are evil!"; we're talking about a philosophy that basically was, and still is, the heart and cause of nazism.

    And if I would argue for immigration, I would never claim that the existing culture wouldn't change. Of course it would change, people change, cultures change and languages change. Why are you people so fucking scared of change? I love change, if things never changed, evolution would give us the finger and we would've been long gone from this planet. Yes, evolution, I know it's scary. And they tried to ridicule it in the video, by making the person using arguments of evolution as a bully who harassed and interrupted the "poor Native American", but it's just such a sad, low and tragic rhetorical misstep.

    And then we have the good old "But non-white people will take over". Yeah okay, honestly, I believe that all people will just end up being some kind of tan/brownish in the end because everyone will just fuck everyone. But you make it sound like either 1) non-white people are more people, and that will somehow stop white people from making babies 2) that when a non-white person and a white person get together, the non-white person somehow absorbs and deletes the genealogy of the white person. I'm so sorry that non-white people polluted your pure skin color. No seriously, take this basket of fucks I give as an apology. I will write a very angry letter to evolution.

    Also, they stole the face of one of the native Americans in Pocahontas, along with Pocahontas. And I mean really stole. I mean the only that that's you can barely look at in these animations is the main-native American, the rest looks like it was drawn by someone who broke their arm shoved it in their ass. I hope Disney will sue the skin off this person. And I mean their actual skin, just slice it off their flesh. Hopefully it will pain them so much to even touch a pencil or keyboard again that the human race won't ever have to witness this level of atrocity ever again.

    In addition, Swedes don't dance around fucking maples.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Nov 27, 2012 4:33 AM GMT
    Entire thing based on a strawman argument: no minority thinks their race is "meaningless."
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    Nov 27, 2012 6:28 AM GMT
    For a clearer explanation of mocktwinkles explanation of the video, you only need to look at the uploader and creator of the video's comments on YouTube:

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    Doesn't sound quite so nice now, does it?