Great GM news for V8 in Alpha for Buick

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    Nov 26, 2012 1:47 PM GMT
    Alpha Platform (think ATS) for Buick to get new Gen V LT1 V8.

    Had it not been for Steve Rattner, this would have been going to Pontiac.

    Manual trannys in all. I just hope its a better feeling tranny than the ATS manual 6-speed.

    http://www.insideline.com/buick/grand-national-gnx-and-t-type-are-returning-to-buick.html
  • FitGwynedd

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    Nov 26, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
    That car looks fucking CLASS. Glad to see a return to the V8s.
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    Nov 26, 2012 2:10 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd saidThat car looks fucking CLASS. Glad to see a return to the V8s.


    I finally drove the ATS a couple of weeks ago and I will say that it had a splendid structure, chassis and steering, but I kept think of how nice this would be a with a V8 instead of the turbo 2 litre 4.
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    Nov 26, 2012 2:37 PM GMT
    Right name, right power plant...wrong car. I see a GTO type flop in their future. Assuming they are not taking the Vauxhall/Holden and rebadging it like they did when it was the GTO.
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    Nov 26, 2012 2:58 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidRight name, right power plant...wrong car. I see a GTO type flop in their future. Assuming they are not taking the Vauxhall/Holden and rebadging it like they did when it was the GTO.


    Actually, it will going to other way this time ... from USA to Australia. The next commodore after the VF to be released early next year will likely be on Alpha.

    The upcoming Chevy SS will be on Zeta VF, but after that will get smaller and much lighter.

    And I think it's the wrong name as I was never a fan of the Grand National or GNX.
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    Nov 26, 2012 3:04 PM GMT
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    Dallasfan824 saidRight name, right power plant...wrong car. I see a GTO type flop in their future. Assuming they are not taking the Vauxhall/Holden and rebadging it like they did when it was the GTO.


    Actually, it will going to other way this time ... from USA to Australia. The next commodore after the VF to be released early next year will likely be on Alpha.

    The upcoming Chevy SS will be on Zeta VF, but after that will get smaller and much lighter.

    And I think it's the wrong name as I was never a fan of the Grand National or GNX.


    I dont mind the heritage name. Its iconic to me. But the car is meh. Trying to turn an Opel Vectra in to a GNX sounds like epic fail. I get that Buick needs a halo car desperately. But this isnt going to work.
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    Nov 26, 2012 3:07 PM GMT
    Now if they can get away from their curious mix of right angles and curves styling......





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    Nov 26, 2012 3:49 PM GMT
    More on the new GM LT1 V8.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/24/meet-the-lt1-the-corvette-c7s-new-6-2-liter-small-block-v8/
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    Nov 26, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    impressive for a non turbo engine. Especially if they can deliver 26 mpg on the freeway in a C7. Funny, my cousin works in that chevy plant.
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    Nov 26, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidimpressive for a non turbo engine. Especially if they can deliver 26 mpg on the freeway in a C7. Funny, my cousin works in that chevy plant.



    I was kinda disappointed in GM at the car show on Saturday. The new Imphal is a snore .
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    Nov 26, 2012 5:00 PM GMT
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    Dallasfan824 saidimpressive for a non turbo engine. Especially if they can deliver 26 mpg on the freeway in a C7. Funny, my cousin works in that chevy plant.



    I was kinda disappointed in GM at the car show on Saturday. The new Imphal is a snore .


    It is. But I think it appeals to that segment's buyer. The Camry and Accord are as bland as a rice cake and sell like crazy.
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    Nov 26, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidRight name, right power plant...wrong car. I see a GTO type flop in their future. Assuming they are not taking the Vauxhall/Holden and rebadging it like they did when it was the GTO.


    You're currently getting an Opel/Vauxhall (the insignia) as the Buick Regal.
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    Nov 26, 2012 5:44 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidRight name, right power plant...wrong car. I see a GTO type flop in their future. Assuming they are not taking the Vauxhall/Holden and rebadging it like they did when it was the GTO.


    Totally agree!
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    Nov 26, 2012 5:48 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    Dallasfan824 saidRight name, right power plant...wrong car. I see a GTO type flop in their future. Assuming they are not taking the Vauxhall/Holden and rebadging it like they did when it was the GTO.


    Actually, it will going to other way this time ... from USA to Australia. The next commodore after the VF to be released early next year will likely be on Alpha.

    The upcoming Chevy SS will be on Zeta VF, but after that will get smaller and much lighter.

    And I think it's the wrong name as I was never a fan of the Grand National or GNX.


    I dont mind the heritage name. Its iconic to me. But the car is meh. Trying to turn an Opel Vectra in to a GNX sounds like epic fail. I get that Buick needs a halo car desperately. But this isnt going to work.


    Dal, read it. It wll be on Alpha so think ATS. ATS is the only product on Alpha so far. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Vectra.
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    Nov 26, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    rnch saidNow if they can get away from their curious mix of right angles and curves styling......





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    Again, nothing to do with or related to any Opel.
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    Nov 26, 2012 5:52 PM GMT
    If they can bring in the Vauxhall VXR and give it some buick styling cues it MAY work. The problem with GTO was that it was all Holden. No Pontiac DNA at all.
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    Nov 26, 2012 5:57 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidIf they can bring in the Vauxhall VXR and give it some buick styling cues it MAY work. The problem with GTO was that it was all Holden. No Pontiac DNA at all.


    Zeta VE is gone to be replaced by the Zeta VF and will spawn a new HSV Commodore, Vauxhall VRX and the USA Chevy SS. The VF will be the last of the Zeta platform as all the smaller rear drivers move to Alpha and the large real drive to the upcoming Omega platform (nothing to do with Opel)
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    Nov 26, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidIf they can bring in the Vauxhall VXR and give it some buick styling cues it MAY work. The problem with GTO was that it was all Holden. No Pontiac DNA at all.


    Still not right. The rear wheel drive buick will be on Alpha, not Zeta so nothing related to the VRX or HSV. That will be the Chevy SS that will fill that role.

    And correct with the Monaro plus it was at the end of its lifespan. and looked it, when it was brought here as the 2004-2006 GTO
  • metta

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    Nov 26, 2012 6:00 PM GMT
    Oh my gosh...

    " Today these Buicks are highly valued collector cars, with prices topping out at $100,000 for one of the 547 GNXs that GM built in 1987."

    You mean that Buicks are not just for grandmas? ;)
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    Nov 26, 2012 6:03 PM GMT
    metta8 saidOh my gosh...

    " Today these Buicks are highly valued collector cars, with prices topping out at $100,000 for one of the 547 GNXs that GM built in 1987."

    You mean that Buicks are not just for grandmas? ;)


    And they were still a POS as is the case with most everything from the 80s. It was a straight line wonder with an engine that sounded like it had strep throat, marshmallow structure and wimpy brakes.
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    Nov 26, 2012 6:05 PM GMT
    Seems like the wrong direction to me.

    Obama Administration Finalizes Historic 54.5 MPG Fuel Efficiency Standards

    " raised average fuel efficiency by 2016 to the equivalent of 35.5 mpg"

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/08/28/obama-administration-finalizes-historic-545-mpg-fuel-efficiency-standard
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    Nov 26, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
    Nice to see Buick recovering and making nice cars (and thank you China for that haha)
    But I still hate GM for what they did and what they are doing with their European makers
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    Nov 26, 2012 6:09 PM GMT
    Thats an average. You make shit econoboxes so you can a few cars that are actually fun to drive. The downside is that these insane regulations is going to kill some smaller makers.
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    Nov 26, 2012 6:12 PM GMT
    GM's biggest problem is Lt. Dan at the helm. Get him outta there and put Mark in his place and then we'll see some movement.
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    Nov 26, 2012 6:13 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidThats an average. You make shit econoboxes so you can a few cars that are actually fun to drive. The downside is that these insane regulations is going to kill some smaller makers.



    ^
    or innovate them. Even Porsche is coming up with cars that far exceed the requirements. They are super expensive right now but hopefully that would come down.

    All that extra power they put in some of these cars....most people never use them....they just buy the extra power for status...ego....false self worth. It is just a total waste of resources.