Another homophobe in pro sports exposed...

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    Nov 26, 2012 11:12 PM GMT
    This time its a rookie member of the Cleveland Browns. I think this warrents a suspension and fine to be donated to LGBT causes.

    http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2012/11/26/cleveland-browns-linebacker-tank-carder-tweets-faggot-doesnt-agree-with-being-gay/

    It'll be interesting to see the NFL and Cleveland Browns reaction...
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    Nov 27, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    After his first apology, he has issued another apology sounding more like a real one. I am pretty sure, however, this second one only came at the urging of the Cleveland Browns or the NFL or both.

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    Nov 27, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
    I wouldn't say he's homophobic. He's just really immature and inarticulate.
  • ChrisBGood

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    Nov 27, 2012 2:54 AM GMT
    xrichx saidI wouldn't say he's homophobic. He's just really immature and inarticulate.

    Thats one way to put it. Stupid with money is how I would have put it.

  • Nico3687

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    Nov 27, 2012 2:55 AM GMT
    He wrote "your" when he meant "you're" and he said he is not a homophobe even though he doesn't approve of gays.

    Clearly he's an idiot and we can't fault an idiot for saying stupid things, like "faggot"....
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    Nov 27, 2012 2:57 AM GMT
    He is from Texas icon_cry.gif
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    Nov 27, 2012 2:59 AM GMT
    For me personally and I'm sure there is going to be a large portion of the LGBT community that disagree with me on this, but if someone was to call me a "faggot or fag", i wouldn't care or take offence to it. I have never associated this term with being gay, that being i guess my experiences growing up. Fag or faggot was just another term used to call someone, "A tool, weird, silly, etc." It wasn't until I started dabbling into the gay community and seeing articles like this, I felt like I was being told "i should be offended" by people using this term.

    It's kinda like what my parents taught me regarding bullies when i was younger, "You show that you're offended and you react, they win. If you truly don't let it bug you, they'll move on because they aren't getting the reaction they wanted." That philosophy has worked perfectly for me throughout my life thus far. So are we giving this word "power" to be offensive by calling out every single time its used?

    I never felt offended reading his tweets, more so laughed at his ignorance of him saying that he doesn't think people being gay is right, but still saying he's not a homophobe. Pretty dumb and hypercritical statement.

    I haven't experienced any homophobia in my life, that even coming out in a small northern community. Maybe my generation is the one where terms like this, do become irrelevant. But just my opinion and its open to change, but I'm curious to see what you guys think.
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    Nov 27, 2012 3:36 AM GMT
    squash1212 saidFor me personally and I'm sure there is going to be a large portion of the LGBT community that disagree with me on this, but if someone was to call me a "faggot or fag", i wouldn't care or take offence to it. I have never associated this term with being gay, that being i guess my experiences growing up. Fag or faggot was just another term used to call someone, "A tool, weird, silly, etc." It wasn't until I started dabbling into the gay community and seeing articles like this, I felt like I was being told "i should be offended" by people using this term.

    It's kinda like what my parents taught me regarding bullies when i was younger, "You show that you're offended and you react, they win. If you truly don't let it bug you, they'll move on because they aren't getting the reaction they wanted." That philosophy has worked perfectly for me throughout my life thus far. So are we giving this word "power" to be offensive by calling out every single time its used?

    I never felt offended reading his tweets, more so laughed at his ignorance of him saying that he doesn't think people being gay is right, but still saying he's not a homophobe. Pretty dumb and hypercritical statement.

    I haven't experienced any homophobia in my life, that even coming out in a small northern community. Maybe my generation is the one where terms like this, do become irrelevant. But just my opinion and its open to change, but I'm curious to see what you guys think.


    This!
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    Nov 27, 2012 3:38 AM GMT
    The last guy that called me a faggot got the following response:
    "Don't worry, you're not cute enough for me."

    Words can offend, but they can defend as well.
  • BrownsTown

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    Nov 27, 2012 3:46 AM GMT
    So embarrassing! Sad for my team ... though neither I nor my boyfriend (also a big BROWNS fan) had ever even heard of this dude before tonight, lol.
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    Nov 27, 2012 4:13 AM GMT
    So a total stranger said "fag". If that's all I have to worry about, my life is going pretty damn good. Who the fuck really cares about this shit? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 27, 2012 4:14 AM GMT
    Its actually another closet Gay who pretends straight by hating gay is exposed
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    Nov 27, 2012 4:17 AM GMT
    He's a Motherfucker who sucks his Dad's d*ck...but its just word , i dont mean it !
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    Nov 27, 2012 4:21 AM GMT
    Rush_ said
    squash1212 saidFor me personally and I'm sure there is going to be a large portion of the LGBT community that disagree with me on this, but if someone was to call me a "faggot or fag", i wouldn't care or take offence to it. I have never associated this term with being gay, that being i guess my experiences growing up. Fag or faggot was just another term used to call someone, "A tool, weird, silly, etc." It wasn't until I started dabbling into the gay community and seeing articles like this, I felt like I was being told "i should be offended" by people using this term.

    It's kinda like what my parents taught me regarding bullies when i was younger, "You show that you're offended and you react, they win. If you truly don't let it bug you, they'll move on because they aren't getting the reaction they wanted." That philosophy has worked perfectly for me throughout my life thus far. So are we giving this word "power" to be offensive by calling out every single time its used?

    I never felt offended reading his tweets, more so laughed at his ignorance of him saying that he doesn't think people being gay is right, but still saying he's not a homophobe. Pretty dumb and hypercritical statement.

    I haven't experienced any homophobia in my life, that even coming out in a small northern community. Maybe my generation is the one where terms like this, do become irrelevant. But just my opinion and its open to change, but I'm curious to see what you guys think.


    This!


    No not this.

    The Stockholm Syndrome within the gay community never ceases to amaze. It is not at all surprising that gays are going the be the last group to get full rights: too many gays are okay with having their balls cut off.

    If a non-black NFL player were to tweet "your a nigger for that" and "I don't agree with being black at all" do you think any self-respecting black person in America would be saying "ohhhhh, guys, we should just ignore him, let's not give him power."

    Please. What a cop out. To begin, no NFL player would ever do such a thing because they knows the wrath of the world would descend upon his head with the force of ten million tsunamis, exactly how it should be. Black people understand that in fighting for civil rights, you need to be loved yet, but with a healthy helping of fear.

    There's a reason racism is so rampant on the anonymous internet: racists are so marginalized that they can only be heroes behind a computer screen. They are afraid to be racist anywhere else (rightly so). They've been driven into their mothers' basements, where they belong.

    Contrast that with the gay community, which inspires no fear in homophobes precisely because of the "let's not rock the boat with our straight masters" attitude. Pathetic. Respect is earned not given. Until the gay community learns to respect itself by standing up for itself instead of regurgitating this "faggot" kumbya crap, our freedom and equality is going to remain under threat.

    And that's why bigotry needs to be not coddled but loudly and mercilessly confronted. Anybody who thinks that homophobia is going to end by ignoring it is hopelessly naive.
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    Nov 27, 2012 4:42 AM GMT
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    Rush_ said
    squash1212 saidFor me personally and I'm sure there is going to be a large portion of the LGBT community that disagree with me on this, but if someone was to call me a "faggot or fag", i wouldn't care or take offence to it. I have never associated this term with being gay, that being i guess my experiences growing up. Fag or faggot was just another term used to call someone, "A tool, weird, silly, etc." It wasn't until I started dabbling into the gay community and seeing articles like this, I felt like I was being told "i should be offended" by people using this term.

    It's kinda like what my parents taught me regarding bullies when i was younger, "You show that you're offended and you react, they win. If you truly don't let it bug you, they'll move on because they aren't getting the reaction they wanted." That philosophy has worked perfectly for me throughout my life thus far. So are we giving this word "power" to be offensive by calling out every single time its used?

    I never felt offended reading his tweets, more so laughed at his ignorance of him saying that he doesn't think people being gay is right, but still saying he's not a homophobe. Pretty dumb and hypercritical statement.

    I haven't experienced any homophobia in my life, that even coming out in a small northern community. Maybe my generation is the one where terms like this, do become irrelevant. But just my opinion and its open to change, but I'm curious to see what you guys think.


    This!


    No not this.

    The Stockholm Syndrome within the gay community never ceases to amaze. It is not at all surprising that gays are going the be the last group to get full rights: too many gays are okay with having their balls cut off.

    If a non-black NFL player were to tweet "your a nigger for that" and "I don't agree with being black at all" do you think any self-respecting black person in America would be saying "ohhhhh, guys, we should just ignore him, let's not give him power."

    Please. What a cop out. To begin, no NFL player would ever do such a thing because they knows the wrath of the world would descend upon his head with the force of ten million tsunamis, exactly how it should be. Black people understand that in fighting for civil rights, you need to be loved yet, but with a healthy helping of fear.

    There's a reason racism is so rampant on the anonymous internet: racists are so marginalized that they can only be heroes behind a computer screen. They are afraid to be racist anywhere else (rightly so). They've been driven into their mothers' basements, where they belong.

    Contrast that with the gay community, which inspires no fear in homophobes precisely because of the "let's not rock the boat with our straight masters" attitude. Pathetic. Respect is earned not given. Until the gay community learns to respect itself by standing up for itself instead of regurgitating this "faggot" kumbya crap, our freedom and equality is going to remain under threat.

    And that's why bigotry needs to be not coddled but loudly and mercilessly confronted. Anybody who thinks that homophobia is going to end by ignoring it is hopelessly naive.


    I see where you're coming from with that, but I think you missed my point. I'm not saying "Oh faggot is offensive against gay people, but I'm just going to stick my head in the sand, ignoring it and hoping it goes away." I'm saying that in my life, my experiences; i don't associate faggot with being gay at all, so why should i take offence of it? If i start taking offence of it, when in all my experiences its farther from the truth, then I just gave that word power to be offensive to me.

    To clarify further, I correct people on a constant basis when they say "thats gay." My friends have gotten better at not using it since i have come out, but it has become a habit to them. They don't associate this phrase with gay being bad, to them its morphed into something that has nothing to do with being gay, just something negative. But since I am gay, and i associate with that word, i will speak up and stop them. Before any suggests, "Oh they aren't truly accepting, blah blah," these are guys that tell me they will have my back no matter what, and if someone starts to harass me, they'll take care of it.

    I haven't had to yet, but if someone is openly mocking me for being gay, i would defend myself. Whether that be just laughing and ignoring it or progressing to get in someone's face, so be it. Each situation is going to be different and each situation will have its own solution. Just because I'm not taking offence to faggot, doesn't mean anything. Like I was saying, since I have never had any negative experiences with that word, no homophobia in my life, etc. isn't that a good thing? Doesn't that mean things are starting to change in my generation? I think so. Your experiences may say different, i get that, but for me it doesn't.
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    Nov 27, 2012 5:07 AM GMT
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    No not this.

    The Stockholm Syndrome within the gay community never ceases to amaze. It is not at all surprising that gays are going the be the last group to get full rights: too many gays are okay with having their balls cut off.

    If a non-black NFL player were to tweet "your a nigger for that" and "I don't agree with being black at all" do you think any self-respecting black person in America would be saying "ohhhhh, guys, we should just ignore him, let's not give him power."

    Please. What a cop out. To begin, no NFL player would ever do such a thing because they knows the wrath of the world would descend upon his head with the force of ten million tsunamis, exactly how it should be. Black people understand that in fighting for civil rights, you need to be loved yet, but with a healthy helping of fear.

    There's a reason racism is so rampant on the anonymous internet: racists are so marginalized that they can only be heroes behind a computer screen. They are afraid to be racist anywhere else (rightly so). They've been driven into their mothers' basements, where they belong.

    Contrast that with the gay community, which inspires no fear in homophobes precisely because of the "let's not rock the boat with our straight masters" attitude. Pathetic. Respect is earned not given. Until the gay community learns to respect itself by standing up for itself instead of regurgitating this "faggot" kumbya crap, our freedom and equality is going to remain under threat.

    And that's why bigotry needs to be not coddled but loudly and mercilessly confronted. Anybody who thinks that homophobia is going to end by ignoring it is hopelessly naive.[/quote]]


    I'm a firm believer that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that there is not necessarily a correct answer to every problem. With that said... I don't think you understand the Stockholm Syndrome, or maybe I just don't understand your reference to it.

    I agree with most on this post that words like "faggot" are not the best choice of vocabulary he could have used, but words only have as much power as you give them. Just look at websites like urban dictionary...taking everyday words and giving them derogatory or negative definitions. Its just a word, unless you honestly know the person I find it hard to understand if his online post was meant with a negative intent or if it was perhaps just a word used by a less vocabulary extensive individual. He is a "professional" and having him sit out a game and pay a little fine would probably do him and the organization some good.

    Just my opinion.
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    Nov 27, 2012 5:09 AM GMT
    http://www.nohomophobes.com
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    Nov 27, 2012 5:26 AM GMT
    Iceblink saidhttp://www.nohomophobes.com


    Then i guess (again for me personally) it begs the question what if someone else that is gay is getting called a faggot, and they do take offence to that, where's my stance. I know for a fact that i would stand up for the person, but I just contradicted my opinion in a way. I guess I'm kinda in this weird society limbo where im accepted and i have no problems vs other people who face harassment on a daily basis.

    What you said there NICK about how its on a case by case basis does makes the most sense for me and the context it's used in.
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    Nov 27, 2012 5:34 AM GMT
    I happen to agree with everything squash said. Not going to say more since I'd be shoving a foot in my mouth.
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    Nov 27, 2012 5:40 AM GMT
    I personally tend to take the approach of treating them like a 4 year old and carefully explaining how stupid and offensive what they just said was and lecturing them on how it is not acceptable. Hopefully one of his coaches will take this approach or already has.
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    Nov 27, 2012 5:50 AM GMT
    Last thing I'll say on this, but I was talking to one of my straight guy friends about this thread and this is what he sent me as his opinion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw

  • tyler_helm

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    Nov 27, 2012 5:52 AM GMT
    Why does anyone care about a nobody football player. Worse things happen every day.

    Professional sports don't require too much intelligence or Savoir faire. As a society we need create hero's that are worthy of the praise and reponsability.
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    Nov 27, 2012 5:53 AM GMT
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    Please. What a cop out. To begin, no NFL player would ever do such a
    I agree with most on this post that words like "faggot" are not the best choice of vocabulary he could have used, but words only have as much power as you give them. Just look at websites like urban dictionary...taking everyday words and giving them derogatory or negative definitions. Its just a word, unless you honestly know the person I find it hard to understand if his online post was meant with a negative intent or if it was perhaps just a word used by a less vocabulary extensive individual. He is a "professional" and having him sit out a game and pay a little fine would probably do him and the organization some good.

    Just my opinion.


    If the word had been "nigger" or "kike" or "towel head" or "spic", would you say things like "It's just a word" and "words only have as much power as you give them"? No. Would it matter if his use of one of those words matter or not if it was "meant with a negative intent"? No.

    And the answer would be "no" because it would be ridiculous to make an excuse for someone using one of those extremely offensive words even if the intent of the person was not to be racist or antisemitic.

    When glbt people are still selling ourselves short and giving people a pass for anti-gay prejudice and bigotry, how can we expect any better from them?

    You "find it hard to understand if his online post was meant with a negative intent," so I have to know, what was his possible "positive intent" in the use of the word "faggot"?
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    Nov 27, 2012 5:58 AM GMT
    squash1212 saidFor me personally and I'm sure there is going to be a large portion of the LGBT community that disagree with me on this, but if someone was to call me a "faggot or fag", i wouldn't care or take offence to it. I have never associated this term with being gay, that being i guess my experiences growing up. Fag or faggot was just another term used to call someone, "A tool, weird, silly, etc." It wasn't until I started dabbling into the gay community and seeing articles like this, I felt like I was being told "i should be offended" by people using this term.

    It's kinda like what my parents taught me regarding bullies when i was younger, "You show that you're offended and you react, they win. If you truly don't let it bug you, they'll move on because they aren't getting the reaction they wanted." That philosophy has worked perfectly for me throughout my life thus far. So are we giving this word "power" to be offensive by calling out every single time its used?

    I never felt offended reading his tweets, more so laughed at his ignorance of him saying that he doesn't think people being gay is right, but still saying he's not a homophobe. Pretty dumb and hypercritical statement.

    I haven't experienced any homophobia in my life, that even coming out in a small northern community. Maybe my generation is the one where terms like this, do become irrelevant. But just my opinion and its open to change, but I'm curious to see what you guys think.


    Its strange...I was innocent to the point of absurdity growing up, not knowing what many of the odd words kids tossed around meant, however the one time in my childhood i was actually called a faggot (in the third grade) I will never forget how angry and upset it made me feel. Somehow I just knew what they had said was wrong, whether for the way it was said or what it meant in their heads it hurt me deeply.
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    Nov 27, 2012 6:06 AM GMT
    squash1212 saidLast thing I'll say on this, but I was talking to one of my straight guy friends about this thread and this is what he sent me as his opinion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw


    While I don't agree with Louis CK and his use of the word, there is a difference in what he is talking about in using the word "faggot" and the use by Tank Carder in his tweet. Louis CK was talking more in the context of joking around with his buddies and not hating on them. Still don't agree with his use of the word and still not okay. But Carder, on the other hand. used the word in a heated argument with someone he did not know and meant it to sting.