On being conservative and gay...

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    Nov 27, 2012 6:51 PM GMT
    Honestly, there is nothing wrong with it. Obviously we don't have to agree on everything -- but I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I think for myself. I came out as a conservative recently and you'd be surprised at how many people, here in NYC, who told me on the DL that they are too. Own who you are and don't let the thought police tell you otherwise. I don't think women should be raped as a form of birth control and I don't believe I am a second class citizen. I believe in free markets and free men and I believe if you want to serve your country, you do so proudly. I am tired of some of these guys on here, who happen to liberal, and they kamikaze anyone who has an opposing viewpoint. What happened to nuance in political thought? I also believe in gay marriage, because I think marriage is good and healthy for people. Just because you're gay, doesn't mean you need to push the boundaries of what's acceptable just to do so.

    And that is all -- sorry, that post about the Israeli dude joining the army really made me pressed. Whoever joins the service is a braver man than any of us who do not.
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    Nov 27, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
    Enter kamikaze!
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    Nov 27, 2012 8:06 PM GMT
    Capn_A saidHonestly, there is nothing wrong with it. Obviously we don't have to agree on everything -- but I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I think for myself. I came out as a conservative recently and you'd be surprised at how many people, here in NYC, who told me on the DL that they are too. Own who you are and don't let the thought police tell you otherwise. I don't think women should be raped as a form of birth control and I don't believe I am a second class citizen. I believe in free markets and free men and I believe if you want to serve your country, you do so proudly. I am tired of some of these guys on here, who happen to liberal, and they kamikaze anyone who has an opposing viewpoint. What happened to nuance in political thought? I also believe in gay marriage, because I think marriage is good and healthy for people. Just because you're gay, doesn't mean you need to push the boundaries of what's acceptable just to do so.

    And that is all -- sorry, that post about the Israeli dude joining the army really made me pressed. Whoever joins the service is a braver man than any of us who do not.


    Uh could you elaborate on what the hell you're talking about please?
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    Nov 27, 2012 8:17 PM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    Capn_A saidHonestly, there is nothing wrong with it. Obviously we don't have to agree on everything -- but I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I think for myself. I came out as a conservative recently and you'd be surprised at how many people, here in NYC, who told me on the DL that they are too. Own who you are and don't let the thought police tell you otherwise. I don't think women should be raped as a form of birth control and I don't believe I am a second class citizen. I believe in free markets and free men and I believe if you want to serve your country, you do so proudly. I am tired of some of these guys on here, who happen to liberal, and they kamikaze anyone who has an opposing viewpoint. What happened to nuance in political thought? I also believe in gay marriage, because I think marriage is good and healthy for people. Just because you're gay, doesn't mean you need to push the boundaries of what's acceptable just to do so.

    And that is all -- sorry, that post about the Israeli dude joining the army really made me pressed. Whoever joins the service is a braver man than any of us who do not.


    Uh could you elaborate on what the hell you're talking about please?

    Let him be, he is drunk talking.
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    Nov 27, 2012 8:17 PM GMT
    Capn_A said -- but I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative.


    That's a libertarian, and a lot more respectable.

    A LOT.
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    Nov 27, 2012 8:27 PM GMT
    Capn_A said but I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative


    There are many gay men and lesbians that are that also. So why did many of them vote for Obama over Romney?

    Because when the Republican party opposes ENDA to protect against employment discrimination and when the Republican party opposes marriage equality that puts gay couples on an equal level in our personal economics like taxes, inheritance, social security, and pensions and when the Republican party opposes adoption by two gay parents which effects insurances choices for children, and for women when the Republican party opposes the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, it doesn't really seem like glbt people are included as equals in the Republican economic vision for the country.

    It's nice you don't see yourself as a "second class citizen." but I don't understand why gay conservatives and Republicans are so fond of saying that, except to imply that gay liberals and Democrats see themselves that way. We don't. Unfortunately, there are many Republicans and conservatives do see gays and lesbians that way.

    In this election we just had this month, a record 5% of voters identified as gay or lesbian and 76% of them voted for Obama and 22% for Romney. Romney lost by fewer votes than the amount of gays and lesbians that voted Obama.
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    Nov 27, 2012 9:07 PM GMT
    Capn_A saidHonestly, there is nothing wrong with it. Obviously we don't have to agree on everything -- but I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I think for myself. I came out as a conservative recently and you'd be surprised at how many people, here in NYC, who told me on the DL that they are too. Own who you are and don't let the thought police tell you otherwise. I don't think women should be raped as a form of birth control and I don't believe I am a second class citizen. I believe in free markets and free men and I believe if you want to serve your country, you do so proudly. I am tired of some of these guys on here, who happen to liberal, and they kamikaze anyone who has an opposing viewpoint. What happened to nuance in political thought? I also believe in gay marriage, because I think marriage is good and healthy for people. Just because you're gay, doesn't mean you need to push the boundaries of what's acceptable just to do so.

    And that is all -- sorry, that post about the Israeli dude joining the army really made me pressed. Whoever joins the service is a braver man than any of us who do not.


    Do not ever back done from anyone that questions how you vote or feel.
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    Nov 27, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
    Don't expect to be accepted publicly. The older gay people I have met are viciously liberal, and many seem to be the same on this board. They almost have FITS whenever an individual thought is expressed that doesn't conform to left wing ideals. The lowest insults and most extreme tactics, short of actual physical torture, are not off limits to these zealots.
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    Nov 27, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
    Capn_A saidHonestly, there is nothing wrong with it. Obviously we don't have to agree on everything -- but I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I think for myself. I came out as a conservative recently and you'd be surprised at how many people, here in NYC, who told me on the DL that they are too. Own who you are and don't let the thought police tell you otherwise. I don't think women should be raped as a form of birth control and I don't believe I am a second class citizen. I believe in free markets and free men and I believe if you want to serve your country, you do so proudly. I am tired of some of these guys on here, who happen to liberal, and they kamikaze anyone who has an opposing viewpoint. What happened to nuance in political thought? I also believe in gay marriage, because I think marriage is good and healthy for people. Just because you're gay, doesn't mean you need to push the boundaries of what's acceptable just to do so.

    And that is all -- sorry, that post about the Israeli dude joining the army really made me pressed. Whoever joins the service is a braver man than any of us who do not.
    I really don't find anything wrong or incompatible being conservative and gay. What I condemn is all the fundamentalist lunatics and war mongering neocons hijacking the conservative movement to promote their own political and social agendas in the name of true conservatism. I believe in fiscal conservativism combined with moderately progressive social and economic goals. I don't believe government is the only answer to our problems. I believe that a strong mix of private sector initiatives can also help alleviate the serious problems that trouble the US. I believe in public-private partnerships where the public and private sectors cooperate to solve our problems and help the people in most need.
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    Nov 27, 2012 9:50 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidDon't expect to be accepted publicly. The older gay people I have met are viciously liberal, and many seem to be the same on this board. They almost have FITS whenever an individual thought is expressed that doesn't conform to left wing ideals. The lowest insults and most extreme tactics, short of actual physical torture, are not off limits to these zealots.


    There are some things where that reaction is to be expected. If we're talking about gay/trans rights and women's issues, damn right I'll rip your fucking head off and stomp on it. There are a lot of conservative mindsets that I can totally understand and respect, and I consider myself pretty open-minded politically. But when you're closing the blinds to the rest of the world and thinking only of yourself like many Republicans, I'm gonna get pissed.

    EDIT: This post is probably a little more charged than how I usually feel because I just dealt with family at Thanksgiving, wounds are still a little fresh, apologies.
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    Nov 27, 2012 9:55 PM GMT
    Well, if you needed an example.....look above.
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    Nov 27, 2012 10:16 PM GMT
    Capn_A saidHonestly, there is nothing wrong with it. Obviously we don't have to agree on everything -- but I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I think for myself. I came out as a conservative recently and you'd be surprised at how many people, here in NYC, who told me on the DL that they are too. Own who you are and don't let the thought police tell you otherwise. I don't think women should be raped as a form of birth control and I don't believe I am a second class citizen. I believe in free markets and free men and I believe if you want to serve your country, you do so proudly. I am tired of some of these guys on here, who happen to liberal, and they kamikaze anyone who has an opposing viewpoint. What happened to nuance in political thought? I also believe in gay marriage, because I think marriage is good and healthy for people. Just because you're gay, doesn't mean you need to push the boundaries of what's acceptable just to do so.

    And that is all -- sorry, that post about the Israeli dude joining the army really made me pressed. Whoever joins the service is a braver man than any of us who do not.

    I think the problem is when a gay person is fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but votes for the party that is socially conservative/anti-gay. It's particularly disconcerting when the socially conservative/anti-gay party is also lacking in a fiscally conservative track record. Then it's like: What in the world is the socially liberal and fiscally conservative gay guy voting for?
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    Nov 27, 2012 10:18 PM GMT
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    Capn_A said but I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative


    There are many gay men and lesbians that are that also. So why did many of them vote for Obama over Romney?

    Because when the Republican party opposes ENDA to protect against employment discrimination and when the Republican party opposes marriage equality that puts gay couples on an equal level in our personal economics like taxes, inheritance, social security, and pensions and when the Republican party opposes adoption by two gay parents which effects insurances choices for children, and for women when the Republican party opposes the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, it doesn't really seem like glbt people are included as equals in the Republican economic vision for the country.

    It's nice you don't see yourself as a "second class citizen." but I don't understand why gay conservatives and Republicans are so fond of saying that, except to imply that gay liberals and Democrats see themselves that way. We don't. Unfortunately, there are many Republicans and conservatives do see gays and lesbians that way.

    In this election we just had this month, a record 5% of voters identified as gay or lesbian and 76% of them voted for Obama and 22% for Romney. Romney lost by fewer votes than the amount of gays and lesbians that voted Obama.

    Agreed. What you said.
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    Nov 27, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
    Capn_A, the young man in Israel was conscripted.

    As you're saying being in the Military is admirable, the last Conservative gov't in your country were depleting support for veterans, who are people who were in the Military, who you find admirable.

    Then there's Mitt's pesky 47% thing. Opinions are opinions, but opinions that espouse harm to another person or group are going to be hotly contested, which is rather natural. icon_wink.gif


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    Nov 27, 2012 10:45 PM GMT
    And the vitriolic reaction is my point exactly. Who wants to be part of an party that actually uses hate-speech (see anything by Aristoshark) and then you say Republicans/conservatives are the haters? It's just absurd.

    I'm sorry but the Liberal Left is destroying America. What happened to diversity of opinion? It's only acceptable if it's the liberal opinion.

    I don't get it. Oh well. It's fun just to stir up the crazies.
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    Nov 27, 2012 10:51 PM GMT

    Capn, Once upon a time, one of the people here you're calling crazies had an excellent well paid career and was fired....solely for being gay.

    The conservative party in your country fought ENDA, which prevents such a horrible thing from happening. I'm not surprised this person would be angry. Wouldn't you?

    PS as an outsider looking in, I'll ask you to consider that Bill and I are rather conservative men, but that's quite different from being Conservative.
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    Nov 27, 2012 10:55 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidDon't expect to be accepted publicly. The older gay people I have met are viciously liberal, and many seem to be the same on this board. They almost have FITS whenever an individual thought is expressed that doesn't conform to left wing ideals. The lowest insults and most extreme tactics, short of actual physical torture, are not off limits to these zealots.


    There's nothing remotely 'liberal' about the viscous left.
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    Nov 27, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
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    Capn, Once upon a time, one of the people here you're calling crazies had an excellent well paid career and was fired....solely for being gay.

    The conservative party in your country fought ENDA, which prevents such a horrible thing from happening. I'm not surprised this person would be angry. Wouldn't you?


    Dude of course that sucks. But it's not my party. I didn't vote for that to happen. That's not my point. Why is it that just because you like a something -- whether it be an idea, ethos or certain tenets of an idea -- that you automatically, point blank, support everything that that entity has to do with?


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    Nov 27, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
    Love to see the conservatives once again complaining of how they are treated by anonymous people on a forum, but the discriminatory treatment of gay and lesbian people in real life at their jobs, in housing, marriage and family rarely seems to cause upset.

    I guess I should by now, a lower tax rate is so much more important than human rights.
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    Nov 27, 2012 11:13 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    Capn, Once upon a time, one of the people here you're calling crazies had an excellent well paid career and was fired....solely for being gay.

    The conservative party in your country fought ENDA, which prevents such a horrible thing from happening. I'm not surprised this person would be angry. Wouldn't you?


    Dude of course that sucks. But it's not my party. I didn't vote for that to happen. That's not my point. Why is it that just because you like a something -- whether it be an idea, ethos or certain tenets of an idea -- that you automatically, point blank, support everything that that entity has to do with?




    Then I think it important to make it known you are conservative but not Conservative. There is a marked difference.
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    Nov 27, 2012 11:16 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidCap'n A--

    Wow, you think you're so brave and mavericky, fighting against the dark forces of the left who want to---not just wlll, but want to---destroy the country. You insult,. spew vitriol, act all persecuted---and then in true conservative fashion you run for your mama's skirts when anyone stands up to your bullying.

    Yeah, there's a lack of civility in politics these days. It all comes from the right, and a big dose of it comes from you.

    Punk.


    Who runnin ? Who you callin a punk? I'm sorry -- this from a guy who has more pictures of divas than of himself? What are you ashamed of, bro?

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    Nov 27, 2012 11:21 PM GMT
    Capn_A said
    Aristoshark saidCap'n A--

    Wow, you think you're so brave and mavericky, fighting against the dark forces of the left who want to---not just wlll, but want to---destroy the country. You insult,. spew vitriol, act all persecuted---and then in true conservative fashion you run for your mama's skirts when anyone stands up to your bullying.

    Yeah, there's a lack of civility in politics these days. It all comes from the right, and a big dose of it comes from you.

    Punk.


    Who runnin ? Who you callin a punk? I'm sorry -- this from a guy who has more pictures of divas than of himself? What are you ashamed of, bro?


    i would just ignore it, obviously that member is projecting someone else onto you.

    But i would point out that the name calling IMHO is disproportionate on the side that finds anything but the democratic parties talking points to be acceptable.
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    Nov 27, 2012 11:33 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidWell, if you needed an example.....look above.

    I apologize for caring about myself and others and how we are allowed to live our life. And surely, NO conservative has EVER used colorful language and outlandish remarks to make a point. Cue South African homosexual talks.
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    Nov 27, 2012 11:37 PM GMT
    " I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative."

    sounds like 97% of today's Democrats.

    Republicans still talk a good game regarding fiscal conservatism but that isn't where their passions lie. Controlling our lives is what really excites them.
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    Nov 27, 2012 11:53 PM GMT
    There is NO Such thing as being socially liberal and fiscally conservative.