Androgel vs. Axiron

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    Nov 27, 2012 10:32 PM GMT
    I am currently on Androgel Patches 4mg per patch. I recently heard of a new treatment option called Axiron that delivers Testosterone thru a liquid placed under your arms like deodorant. It seems too good to be true. I do not like the patch because of the adhesive effect on your skin and the reaction at times. Does anyone have experience with this new treatment option Axiron? Would love to get some practical experiences....
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    Nov 28, 2012 3:58 AM GMT
    Why is everyone on this stuff these days? How can like all of the population have low T...
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    Nov 28, 2012 4:08 AM GMT
    bluey2223 saidWhy is everyone on this stuff these days? How can like all of the population have low T...
    One theory that gets tossed around a lot is that various chemicals in our environment are lowering test levels..
    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/fight_the_tkilling_toxins

    But in reality, modern science/medicine allows us to have the test levels that we had back when we were younger. I mean, nobody needs a Ferrari. But it's available if you want it, right?
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    Nov 28, 2012 4:19 AM GMT
    bluey2223 saidWhy is everyone on this stuff these days? How can like all of the population have low T...

    I'm not sure about "everyone" but I was diagnosed with low testosterone at age 60. And that's fairly common for that age group.

    I'd be interested in hearing about my options. My doctor had me on Testim topical gel, which was awful stuff and failed to raise my testosterone. At present we want my testosterone to remain low as part of my cancer treatment, but before long I'll be trying to get it back up to normal again, so I welcome info on ways to do that.
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    Nov 28, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    Testosterone is good medicine, and, it's becoming a big business, despite all the unproven bad claims against it.

    The best path is injections. Aside from that, a compounded prescription at 10% is going to be more effective and MUCH less expensive (around $40 monthly).
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    Nov 28, 2012 7:40 AM GMT
    Unfortunately I think your 'too good to be true' inkling is correct. The liquid is a nice idea but it can be a bit messy. More importantly, though, if you have sensitive skin you may react to the high alcohol content in Axiron.

    I only tried it for a few weeks and then I went back to IM administration.
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    Nov 28, 2012 11:43 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidTestosterone is good medicine, and, it's becoming a big business, despite all the unproven bad claims against it.

    The best path is injections. Aside from that, a compounded prescription at 10% is going to be more effective and MUCH less expensive (around $40 monthly).


    Thanks for the feedback is 10% the amount in Axiom? I have a prescription and could ask Dr. to get the compounded amount....How would I apply it????
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    Nov 28, 2012 11:45 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
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    bluey2223 saidWhy is everyone on this stuff these days? How can like all of the population have low T...
    One theory that gets tossed around a lot is that various chemicals in our environment are lowering test levels..
    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/fight_the_tkilling_toxins

    But in reality, modern science/medicine allows us to have the test levels that we had back when we were younger. I mean, nobody needs a Ferrari. But it's available if you want it, right?


    Some of us do have a need for supplementing testosterone through exogenous application. In my case, if I don't take exogenously applied/injected testosterone I will have lower 'free' testosterone than a woman in her twenties. I tried going off of testosterone supplementation and in three month's time my cognitive functioning was impaired significantly and my cholesterol shot up from 160 to 220! I was so spacey during conversations with people and I couldn't maintain my train of thought. After resuming testosterone supplementation my mind became sharp again in about five to six weeks.

    For some of us, it's not about luxury like buying a Ferrari. It's simply about functioning as a healthy male for his age. The OP is forty-two and may need it.

    Low testosterone levels can lead to heart disease, osteoporosis, depression and a myriad of other health concerns.

    You are correct, I think it is an age thing....It just happened with my last physical, my test. level was waaaay low..I had no idea, but was feeling low energy, lack of sex drive etc. It makes sense now...
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    Nov 28, 2012 11:48 AM GMT
    matthieu17 saidUnfortunately I think your 'too good to be true' inkling is correct. The liquid is a nice idea but it can be a bit messy. More importantly, though, if you have sensitive skin you may react to the high alcohol content in Axiron.

    I only tried it for a few weeks and then I went back to IM administration.
    So you have tried Axiron??? Can you describe it? I have a 30 day free trial if I want it....I was on IM injections and got sick of sticking myself with needles every other day....So I tried patch which also has it's drawbacks....How is the liquid messy? I was thinking I would apply in the evening before bedtime.....Good idea??
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    Nov 28, 2012 5:56 PM GMT
    Barracuda said
    matthieu17 saidUnfortunately I think your 'too good to be true' inkling is correct. The liquid is a nice idea but it can be a bit messy. More importantly, though, if you have sensitive skin you may react to the high alcohol content in Axiron.

    I only tried it for a few weeks and then I went back to IM administration.
    So you have tried Axiron??? Can you describe it? I have a 30 day free trial if I want it....I was on IM injections and got sick of sticking myself with needles every other day....So I tried patch which also has it's drawbacks....How is the liquid messy? I was thinking I would apply in the evening before bedtime.....Good idea??
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    Yes, I've tried it. What ultimately stopped me from using it was the reaction to the alcohol. If you don't have that then at least in the short run it would be okay. I only tried it for about 45 days. My primary issue with the liquid is that I wasn't ever able to apply it in the proper quantity before my armpit was saturated. Perhaps I need bigger armpits...

    Applying in the evening is definitely the way to go. I messed up a shirt or two before switching to evenings.

    I understand that if you're having to jab yourself every other day then you'd take any method over that. Why on earth were you having to jab yourself so often? For me it's every 10 days, which is infrequently enough that I'm okay with it.
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    Dec 11, 2012 11:53 AM GMT
    Does anyone other than the above reader have any experience with
    Axiron? I'm wondering if it comes in different strengths, if it can be applied at night before bed time and what the cost comparison is between other methods. and of course is it effective????? Anyone?
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    Dec 11, 2012 12:46 PM GMT
    Barracuda saidDoes anyone other than the above reader have any experience with
    Axiron? I'm wondering if it comes in different strengths, if it can be applied at night before bed time and what the cost comparison is between other methods. and of course is it effective????? Anyone?
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    I havent used it, but did have a look at the website for the product -

    The dosing states, once a day, it doesn't insist on morning.

    they have guidelines on dosage -

    http://www.axiron.com/Pages/low-testosterone-axiron-dosing.aspx


    There is also a 30 day free trial offer on the website, which goes on to state that if you and your doctor agree that it's not for you they will provide a voucher for 30 days treatment of your choice.. seems like they're putting their money where their mouth is...


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    Dec 15, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
    That's great..I saw that trial offer...Will ask dr. for a script....Hope it works as they advertise..
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    Dec 15, 2012 8:42 PM GMT
    I have always had low t, since I was in my twenties, when I reach my 40's it was hard to build muscle....so for me, it's a condition...and no, it is NOT a fad!
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    Dec 15, 2012 8:49 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said

    For some of us, it's not about luxury like buying a Ferrari. It's simply about functioning as a healthy male for his age. The OP is forty-two and may need it.

    Low testosterone levels can lead to heart disease, osteoporosis, depression and a myriad of other health concerns.

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    Amen! It's about more than good sex and better hard-ons. I am being treated with T-injections primarily for osteopenia. The other stuff (the sex stuff) is great, too, but . . .

    It's about GOOD MALE HEALTH !!
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    Dec 15, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
    above +1!
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    Dec 15, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    And then some of us just have balls that work.
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    Dec 15, 2012 9:31 PM GMT
    Caslon22000 saidAnd then some of us just have balls that work.


    Well some of us can't be so blessed as you are, in all ways icon_confused.gif
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    Dec 15, 2012 9:34 PM GMT
    "...in reality, modern science/medicine allows us to have the test levels that we had back when we were younger. I mean, nobody needs a Ferrari. But it's available if you want it, right?"

    WELL PUT!!!
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    Dec 15, 2012 9:44 PM GMT

    Women have gone through the route of hormone replacement. Today very few menopausal women are on hormones compared to a decade or 2 decades ago.
    Testosterone (any amount), increases the risk of prostate Cancer. Excess Testosterone can also cause Liver damage. At this point Testosterone is a Ferrari with no breaks.
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    Dec 15, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
    Drfishman saidAt this point Testosterone is a Ferrari with no breaks.


    Live fast, die young, and leave a beautiful corpse.

    BTW, prostate cancer is very treatable.

    PS If it's so likely to cause liver damage, why did my endocrinologist agree to prescribe it?

    PPS Are you an endocrinologist?
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    Dec 15, 2012 10:13 PM GMT
    bluey2223 saidWhy is everyone on this stuff these days? How can like all of the population have low T...


    Hormones in milk and soy.
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    Dec 15, 2012 10:17 PM GMT
    swimguychicago saidBTW, prostate cancer is very treatable.

    True, if detected early enough, before it spreads. Prostate cancer alone cannot kill you - the prostate isn't a vital organ and you can survive without it, and the cancer there usually grows very slowly.

    The problem is when it metastasizes (spreads) throughout the body, causing fatal things like bone cancer, and cancer of vital organs, such as the liver.

    That's what happened to my late Father, and why I was in near panic when I was diagnosed with an advanced and fast form of prostate cancer. I'm still being checked to watch for cancer elsewhere. But the prostate cancer itself seems to have been beat. YAY!

    Anyway, a little detour from the thread topic, prostate cancer having been mentioned. And I'll also happily say that my testosterone is continuing to rebound on its own, following cessation of Lupron treatment to suppress it, since testosterone accelerates prostate cancer.

    I'm back to masturbating at least once a day, sometimes twice (at 63!), after a long spell when I had no interest. And I positively assaulted my husband last night, until he begged me this morning to stop, he couldn't take another round.

    I just love what testosterone does to me, and hated when I had it suppressed. So I can endorse treatments that restore it to normal, healthy levels. We're men, and testosterone is part of what we are. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 15, 2012 10:46 PM GMT
    swimguychicago said
    Drfishman saidAt this point Testosterone is a Ferrari with no breaks.


    Live fast, die young, and leave a beautiful corpse.

    BTW, prostate cancer is very treatable.

    PS If it's so likely to cause liver damage, why did my endocrinologist agree to prescribe it?

    PPS Are you an endocrinologist?


    Liver damage is not likely with non injectable small doses of testosterone.
    Prostate cancer is much more likely with T replacement.

    Testosterone is a Ferrari with no brakes...
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    Dec 17, 2012 12:11 PM GMT
    With any medication you have to weigh the risks with the benefits...I think having an adequate level of Testosteron and all that it brings along with regularily managed drs. visits is for me...I am very excited about the additional boost of testosterone enhancement......Physically, emotionally, and mentally.....I'll keep ya'll posted should start free trial this week!!!!!