US Postal Service Could be ‘Stamped Out‘

  • metta

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    Nov 29, 2012 3:44 AM GMT

    US Postal Service Could be ‘Stamped Out‘

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    http://en.rian.ru/politics/20121129/177806918.html
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    Nov 29, 2012 3:54 AM GMT
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    Nov 29, 2012 4:14 AM GMT

    Richard Nixon and George Bush. Look it up:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Regulatory_Commission#Changes_under_the_Postal_Accountability_and_Enhancement_Act_of_2006
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    Nov 29, 2012 4:20 AM GMT
    Iceblink said224052_444990868892779_235745497_n.png


    Myth #2 is incorrect , It is not a business. By law it cannot make a profit and must break even.

    I say turn it loose and allow it to make a profit and take charge of its day to day operations.

    I have found very dedicated postal workers. Unfortunately my local post office has some sort of issue *none of the employees seem happy, and the service is atrocious. Everything of value i send UPS/ Fedex.
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    Nov 29, 2012 4:38 AM GMT
    Iceblink said224052_444990868892779_235745497_n.png

    Iceblink makes some good points:

    2) It would take a Constitutional Amendment to get rid of the USPS.

    10) If the USPS didn't have this ridiculous requirement, a requirement no other federal agency has, it wouldn't be in the hole the way it is.
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    Nov 29, 2012 4:41 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    Iceblink said224052_444990868892779_235745497_n.png


    Myth #2 is incorrect , It is not a business. By law it cannot make a profit and must break even.

    I say turn it loose and allow it to make a profit and take charge of its day to day operations.

    I have found very dedicated postal workers. Unfortunately my local post office has some sort of issue *none of the employees seem happy, and the service is atrocious. Everything of value i send UPS/ Fedex.

    A business doesn't have to be for profit to be business. For example, the two biggest private heath insurance companies in California, Kaiser Permanente and Blue Cross/Blue Shield are not for profit AND they are businesses. But since the USPS is an agency of the federal government, I agree with you that it's not really a "business."
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    Nov 29, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
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    musclmed said
    Iceblink said224052_444990868892779_235745497_n.png


    Myth #2 is incorrect , It is not a business. By law it cannot make a profit and must break even.

    I say turn it loose and allow it to make a profit and take charge of its day to day operations.

    I have found very dedicated postal workers. Unfortunately my local post office has some sort of issue *none of the employees seem happy, and the service is atrocious. Everything of value i send UPS/ Fedex.

    A business doesn't have to be for profit to be business. For example, the two biggest private heath insurance companies in California, Kaiser Permanente and Blue Cross/Blue Shield are not for profit AND they are businesses. But since the USPS is an agency of the federal government, I agree with you that it's not really a "business."


    Well i believe the word "buisness" is up for debate. I would describe a buisness of "profitable work".

    I do not think Kaiser or Blue cross ever describes themselves as a business. More like not for profit organizations. Once a colleague tried to explain Kaisers structure , frankly i zoned out, its very complex.

    Likewise "business" is not worth arguing about.

    I am not sure what USPS needs , but whatever it needs it needs it desperately.
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    Nov 29, 2012 7:36 AM GMT
    I worked there for a lot of years.
    Their #1 problem is that they run it like the military.
    You're expected to follow orders, without question or comment, even if what they told you to do is impossible to do. And, if you don't do it, they start proceedings toward firing you.
    Management makes one stupid, inefficient decision after another.

    But, it's a national institution.
    Congress will never let it go out of business.
    And, Congress doesn't listen to anyone but Postal management.
    So, it's a safe bet that the days of it being a "union" job, with a living wage and basic benefits for its workers, are, most likely, numbered.
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    Nov 29, 2012 11:23 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidI worked there for a lot of years.
    Their #1 problem is that they run it like the military.
    You're expected to follow orders, without question or comment, even if what they told you to do is impossible to do. And, if you don't do it, they start proceedings toward firing you.
    Management makes one stupid, inefficient decision after another.

    But, it's a national institution.
    Congress will never let it go out of business.
    And, Congress doesn't listen to anyone but Postal management.
    So, it's a safe bet that the days of it being a "union" job, with a living wage and basic benefits for its workers, are, most likely, numbered.


    My partner is a letter carrier, and what you said sounds 100% correct. It's really unbelievable, as if they WANT to go out of business.
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    Nov 29, 2012 12:26 PM GMT
    Its run it course, let it go already. It's been years since I got snail mail that was important in any form. Remove all government funding and let it survive or die on its own merit. Without the billions wasted from government funding this "business" would be gone. The USPS is stupid.
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    Nov 29, 2012 1:40 PM GMT
    sfbayguy said
    Iceblink said224052_444990868892779_235745497_n.png

    Iceblink makes some good points:

    2) It would take a Constitutional Amendment to get rid of the USPS.

    10) If the USPS didn't have this ridiculous requirement, a requirement no other federal agency has, it wouldn't be in the hole the way it is.


    #10 is false/a lie. Congress required them to start funding their retirement benefits like private firms instead of just paying it out of general operations.

    Here's an explanation of how that works ie paying the net present value of those costs -

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-02/understanding-the-post-office-s-benefits-mess.html

    This is how retirement benefits are supposed to work - when you promise retirement benefits why would you not actually save for it instead of hoping that it all balances out (ie they assume this year's retiree benefits will cost the same as what the current employees will pay). This is precisely the problem of why so many people think that social security is somehow solvent.
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    Nov 29, 2012 2:01 PM GMT
    Also - irony... the "facts" provided show such attention to detail that the website as noted is misspelled/does not exist.
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    Nov 29, 2012 10:21 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidAlso - irony... the "facts" provided show such attention to detail that the website as noted is misspelled/does not exist.


    http://www.saveourpostoffice.us
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    Nov 29, 2012 11:33 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidAlso - irony... the "facts" provided show such attention to detail that the website as noted is misspelled/does not exist.


    http://www.saveourpostoffice.us


    This does not reflect well as to the credibility of the underlying "facts".
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    Nov 29, 2012 11:50 PM GMT
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    Iceblink said
    riddler78 saidAlso - irony... the "facts" provided show such attention to detail that the website as noted is misspelled/does not exist.


    http://www.saveourpostoffice.us


    This does not reflect well as to the credibility of the underlying "facts".


    Save Our Post Office is a grassroots group of real postal workers concerned with their future, not professional lobbyists. To some of us, that is something to be admired.

    And obviously to others, it is just the little, unimportant people.
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    Nov 30, 2012 12:19 AM GMT
    Iceblink said
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink said
    riddler78 saidAlso - irony... the "facts" provided show such attention to detail that the website as noted is misspelled/does not exist.


    http://www.saveourpostoffice.us


    This does not reflect well as to the credibility of the underlying "facts".


    Save Our Post Office is a grassroots group of real postal workers concerned with their future, not professional lobbyists. To some of us, that is something to be admired.

    And obviously to others, it is just the little, unimportant people.


    Well to be ridiculed especially when they get some of the most important "facts" wrong. And who are you trying to kid that it's just a grass roots group? The union is very well funded for the postal service.
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    Nov 30, 2012 12:24 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink said
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink said
    riddler78 saidAlso - irony... the "facts" provided show such attention to detail that the website as noted is misspelled/does not exist.


    http://www.saveourpostoffice.us


    This does not reflect well as to the credibility of the underlying "facts".


    Save Our Post Office is a grassroots group of real postal workers concerned with their future, not professional lobbyists. To some of us, that is something to be admired.

    And obviously to others, it is just the little, unimportant people.


    Well to be ridiculed especially when they get some of the most important "facts" wrong. And who are you trying to kid that it's just a grass roots group? The union is very well funded for the postal service.


    The people in this group are union members, but this group is not the union.
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    Nov 30, 2012 12:30 AM GMT
    Iceblink said
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink said
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink said
    riddler78 saidAlso - irony... the "facts" provided show such attention to detail that the website as noted is misspelled/does not exist.


    http://www.saveourpostoffice.us


    This does not reflect well as to the credibility of the underlying "facts".


    Save Our Post Office is a grassroots group of real postal workers concerned with their future, not professional lobbyists. To some of us, that is something to be admired.

    And obviously to others, it is just the little, unimportant people.


    Well to be ridiculed especially when they get some of the most important "facts" wrong. And who are you trying to kid that it's just a grass roots group? The union is very well funded for the postal service.


    The people in this group are union members, but this group is not the union.


    I'm skeptical as I would be for any advocacy site - there is no transparency on this site. Nevertheless, it doesn't help that they got some of the largest "facts" wrong.
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    Nov 30, 2012 1:28 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidI worked there for a lot of years.
    Their #1 problem is that they run it like the military.
    You're expected to follow orders, without question or comment, even if what they told you to do is impossible to do. And, if you don't do it, they start proceedings toward firing you.
    Management makes one stupid, inefficient decision after another.

    But, it's a national institution.
    Congress will never let it go out of business.
    And, Congress doesn't listen to anyone but Postal management.
    So, it's a safe bet that the days of it being a "union" job, with a living wage and basic benefits for its workers, are, most likely, numbered.

    Wait? Union job AND it's run like the military? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
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    Nov 30, 2012 1:29 AM GMT
    That's one way to describe the post office.
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    Nov 30, 2012 7:40 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidThat's one way to describe the post office.

    LOL. My point is that there are no unions in the military.
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    Nov 30, 2012 10:55 PM GMT
    The problem with the Post Office is that Congress specifies both the price and the service level—these are irreconcilable.