The answer to the diabetes scourge: eat kosher?

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    Nov 29, 2012 8:41 PM GMT
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewmcfbrown/100191823/the-answer-to-the-diabetes-scourge-eat-kosher/
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    Nov 29, 2012 10:55 PM GMT
    I've never seen Passover Coke before; but Mexican Coke is everywhere here in California.

    The title of the article is a bit misleading... Seems like the author is mainly targeting HFCS. (But I admit I only glanced the article.)
  • LJay

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    Nov 29, 2012 11:20 PM GMT
    As a type 2 diabetic, I avoid ALL soda, including diet soda. Apart from the obvious sugar and HFCS problems, diet soda is said to fake out your system and stimulate the urge for sweet stuff. think about what that does to a visit to the soft drink case in your convenience store on a hot summer day. Fruit juice is also a no no, milk has lotsa carbs and is not a thirst quencher anyway. You can ignore pretty much the whole wall of liquid goodies and stick with water or completely unsweetened iced tea. If this gives you a twang or two, think how much of this stuff we really consume. Staggering.

    I think the Go Kosher headline must have been dreamed up by an editor. It brings memories, though, of my Jewish Grandmother [She was an Irish Presbyterian, by the way.] That woman could COOK and she used real food. Not a bad lesson.
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    Nov 29, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
    i don't even know where to begin with addressing how pathetic that article is from a scientific standpoint.... just wow.

    eating kosher does nothing to reduce diabetes for the reason that hfcs is kosher. the author really believes switching to kosher coke is that answer? coke make with hfcs is kosher. yes, kosher for passover coke uses regular sugar, but it's, wait for it.... only freaking sold near passover. the fact that he had the nerve to refer to dr. atkins as great gives away how shoddy his thinking is. people who eat kosher deal with diabetes too. in fact, a kosher diet is often linked to heart problems because jews will cook with margarine or vegetable shortening instead of butter because they don't want to mix meat and dairy in their meals. seriously, this thing from start to finish is a piece of crap in terms of logic. the problem is processed foods, made with hfcs or sugar, empty calories, and refined carbohydrates. you'd have to be an idiot to believe the trick this article.
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    Nov 29, 2012 11:39 PM GMT
    spiffy saidI've never seen Passover Coke before; but Mexican Coke is everywhere here in California.

    The title of the article is a bit misleading... Seems like the author is mainly targeting HFCS. (But I admit I only glanced the article.)


    you'll only see it be sold around passover. and when it is, it looks like regular coke, but it has a yellow cap instead of a white one.
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    Nov 30, 2012 1:23 AM GMT
    calibro saidi don't even know where to begin with addressing how pathetic that article is from a scientific standpoint.... just wow.

    eating kosher does nothing to reduce diabetes for the reason that hfcs is kosher. the author really believes switching to kosher coke is that answer? coke make with hfcs is kosher. yes, kosher for passover coke uses regular sugar, but it's, wait for it.... only freaking sold near passover. the fact that he had the nerve to refer to dr. atkins as great gives away how shoddy his thinking is. people who eat kosher deal with diabetes too. in fact, a kosher diet is often linked to heart problems because jews will cook with margarine or vegetable shortening instead of butter because they don't want to mix meat and dairy in their meals. seriously, this thing from start to finish is a piece of crap in terms of logic. the problem is processed foods, made with hfcs or sugar, empty calories, and refined carbohydrates. you'd have to be an idiot to believe the trick this article.


    What is your problem with Dr. Atkins? You haven't said anything he would disagree with, based on what I remember about him. Keep in mind that he has been dead for almost 10 years, so his writing won't be as up to date as you are.
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    Nov 30, 2012 1:28 AM GMT
    Recommending sugar at all to a type ll diabetic is ridiculous.
  • LJay

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    Nov 30, 2012 1:37 AM GMT
    Doesn't Atkins do nasty things to the kidneys?

    Look into The Zone. It makes a lot more sense.
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    Nov 30, 2012 1:39 AM GMT
    It might if you already have damaged kidneys, but so could uncontrolled hyperglycemia.
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    Nov 30, 2012 3:04 PM GMT
    High fructose is added to a plethora of food products.

    Here's an article that talks about an experimental treatment for the resulting hypertension and insulin resistance the stuff causes.


    [url]http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/9050983/reload=0;jsessionid=kDtErT6MczbsGZ7rAy4g.0[/url]

    In this study, they triggered type two diabetes in rats in order to try out moxomidine.

    Here's how they managed to do that.

    "The influence of moxonidine on glucose tolerance in vivo was determined in healthy control rats, in rats receiving a high fructose diet for 6 weeks to induce insulin resistance, hyperinsulinaemia and hypertension, and in rats receiving in addition to a high fructose diet moxonidine (1.5 mg/kg body weight daily)."

    Next time you're out shopping check the labels of stuff you buy.
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    Nov 30, 2012 4:42 PM GMT
    On an anecdotal level, we tried a homemade experiment.
    When Mom was recovering from heart surgery and I was rehabbing her she stayed at our house for 6 weeks.
    Every morning we ate oatmeal, the seven minute stuff, with raisins and even brown sugar. We checked our blood sugar beforehand every morning with my One Touch Ultra blood sugar kit.

    By the end of 6 weeks my morning reading had gone from 6 to......4.8.

    -Doug