Gays Break Records For Deadly Drug Overdoses This Summer

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    Aug 23, 2007 7:55 PM GMT
    Firstly, I am NOT claiming this is reliable news -- I think we understand the source is an Onion-like tabloid -- but it's hard not to raise some eyebrows at some of these remarks, and what appears to be an actual letter, whatever the spin of the surrounding text.

    What great PR. I can't wait to see what next summer's "pride" events bring.

    http://gawker.com/news/the-gays/gays-break-records-for-deadly-drug-overdoses-this-summer-292679.php
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    Aug 23, 2007 10:01 PM GMT
    Well, it's sure not good no matter how you slice it, but, I wonder if ODs are on the increase in other sets. I wonder if hard partying heterosexual people are ODing in greater numbers than before. My guess is yes. Not that it justifies dope.

    They can send a man to the moon, why can't they develop dope that has no risk?
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    Aug 23, 2007 10:34 PM GMT
    That is truly sad.. I have already stated many times on this site my dismay at the party and self destructive attitude of many gay men...

    It is a problem...

    I am not so concerned about PR, as I am no so pre-occupied about how the mass view gay men in general.., because doing that would be submitting the powers of homogeneity. If one is overly concerend about PR, that is an indication of the need for external validation due to a deficient state of inner self worth.

    But I am interested to hear suggestions on theories why this is a on going problem in the gay community and what one can do to help break the pattern...
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    Aug 24, 2007 12:03 AM GMT
    Why I think it's a particular problem for homosexuals is that it's an issue that for many starts in their teens trying to be accepted and beyond accepted, perhaps adored. In the 60s and 70s and even early 80s ( I don't know how it is now ), there was a romantic side to being drugged out. I suspect it's still the same. It was rock-n-roll, it was sex. If you don't come around to reality quickly enough, the fashion statement becomes an addiction. I think a lot of gay men get f'd early on whatever and for many, the burnout comes quickly. Some survive for decades, but, it all started when they wanted to be some kind of local star to the in crowd at school.
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    Aug 24, 2007 2:13 AM GMT
    My personal view is just an assumption, but I sort of see what you are saying McGay..

    I have a similar suspicion.. You see these party guys are always clickish and only hangs out with other muscled guys at these parties.. They are arrogant, self involved, and exlude all otehr gay men who they deem "unworthy"... It is really eerily similar to a bunch of high school frat boys... the sex is there, and the beer is just now replaced with all sorts of narcotics..

    Maybe a lot of gay gusy did not get this "frat boy" party kick in high school and feel the need to live this fantasy but as openly free gay men at their own environment...?
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    Aug 24, 2007 2:22 AM GMT
    One possible solution is for gays to live normal lives with traditional values. Get married. Settle down. Go to a gay-friendly church. Raise kids. And a lot of gays are doing that--but the gays who bring that option up on this board sometimes get yelled at. . .
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    Aug 24, 2007 2:34 AM GMT
    My ex goes to a gay friendly church EVERY weekend, and yet he became a crystal meth addict... He would have been high and go to confession....

    Religion is not a solution, I am telling you...
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    Aug 24, 2007 2:44 AM GMT
    And what is "normal"....? What is normal to one is not normal to another.. It varies between cultures, time periods, etc...

    For example, gay guys getting married in a Church is considered highly abnormal by many, gay or straight..
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    Aug 24, 2007 3:44 AM GMT
    PR doesn't necessarily have anything to do with external validation. I don't understand how someone can claim to stand for gay rights, and yet simultaneously also not care what the general public thinks of their demographic segment. The two go hand in hand... This isn't validation, it is simply how society (and democracy) works; the agenda is set by the majority. If people (specifically the straight majority) see gays (a not-yet-understood minority/"the newcomers") as a collective of drugged out partiers, it certainly isn't going to make them any more inclined to consider gay rights (and its components, ranging from marriage to the ability to adopt) a worthy cause.

    I think people seem drawn to drugs for different reasons. Some fit the pattern of deeply unhappy people looking to escape reality. Some don't necessarily. I have known people who seemed pretty secure and well adjusted and yet who still ended up deep in the drugs/party culture.

    I don't think people can still claim a lack of knowledge that drugs are bad is responsible for this. By now, anyone who doesn't know this is probably just unwilling to learn. It's widely known that there has been an increase of abuse of prescription drugs (users seem to think that because it's technically "legal" than a drug must be less risky).

    What I don't understand is why people feel the need to show seemingly endless tolerance for those who use illegal drugs that are widely known to be unhealthy. I know an awful lot of people who just look the other way, wink-wink, while their friends go off and do crystal meth, etc.
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    Aug 24, 2007 4:06 AM GMT
    Your complaint seems more properly directed at the media (if you must take Gawker seriously). The behavior of gay men on Fire Island hardly represents the behavior of the majority of us.

    Further, civil rights are not generally accorded by majorities. Gay people have long been objects of the so-called tyranny of the majority, just as black people were. When conscionable people in power decided to stand up for what is right, instead of worrying about the one-dimensional representation of gay people by much of the media (and the religious right), then we'll see a significant change. (In any case, I think the media have become more responsible in their depictions but it seems that many of us want our image completely sanitized.)

    Civil rights should not be subject to referendum and there is utterly no evidence I know that trying to dispel stereotypical myths influences the electorate. I'm certainly open to some evidence, though, that the popular approval of, say, gay marriage has more to do with partying than a fundamental religious and moral objection.

    Finally, I'll note that GHB and crystal have in common an aphrodisiac quality. I wonder if their popularity isn't at some level about their use to reduce inhibitions due to shame. Crystal of course is amazingly addictive, no matter the motivation to use it.



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    Aug 24, 2007 4:19 AM GMT
    I would be curious though about drug use rates in the homosexual population vs. heterosexual, and what exactly the differences are.
    Personally I think humans are addictive by nature. Scratch most people and you can find addictive tendencies if not to drugs than to food, sex, exercise etc. And probably everyone has instances when they want to escape the here and now, or at least alleviate it a little.
    Note, I'm not saying that such use is good, or not very destructive to humans. Just that it is very pervasive and probably very deeply rooted throughout society, and though we now something to be destructive that rarely stops humans.
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    Aug 24, 2007 5:45 AM GMT
    Yawn. It's nice to see the usual posters taking the usual stances. Italmusclebtm don't you ever get tired of bad-mouthing Gay pride?

    I would imagine that drug usuage is just more prevalent in society than it has been, hardly a day goes by without another story of a straight celeb for instance being caught wasted and making a fool of themselves (Britney, Lohan, Winehouse).

    In this case I agree with OW, it's the media trying to stigmatise gays. Unfortunately those gays who do have average (go to work, pay taxes, go home to happy family) lives don't make news stories. Just as those celebs who do their job witho0ut falling over wasted don't.

    That's life, lets stop being offended by what others do. Not all Gay people are the same, we should celebrate this. Not sit around tutting about sections of the community we feel let us down.

    Lozx
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    Aug 24, 2007 6:20 AM GMT
    Just to report a slight change in nuance, so I don't get accused of always saying the same thing--I was watching God's Warriors and it did finally hit home that conservative Christians really hate gay marriage. I've always thought that if more gays made their monogamous relationships visible, we would get more support from the religious right. I now realize that the religious right hates gay marriage as much as Pride parades, so it doesn't really make any difference in terms of attempting to win them over. So, why bother with them?

    (Ron Luce is really, really scary.)

    My goal is to nurture the alternative, and I believe, true Christianity which is gaining strength in the mainline churches. However, I think that most of Christianity is going to reject gays for a long time, and I don't think gay marriage is going to change anyone's minds. So all I can do is help support a safe place for gays where I believe Jesus is really present.

    Here's the change--I used to think Pride parades were damaging our reputation. Now I realize that some people are going to hate gays no matter what we do. I used to think gay marriage would improve our reputation, but again, some people are going to hate us no matter what we do. So, it's OK with me, do whatever you want to do, wear that Gwen Stefani wig, swing that giant dildo, crank up that Scissor Sisters--we only have ourselves to please.

    They're going to accuse of taking drugs and spreading disease no matter what we do.

    It's wierd to realize that some people hate me for something which I didn't choose, and no matter what I do, no matter how well I behave, they will always, always hate me. Suddenly, I feel like swinging a big ol' dildo in their faces.
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    Aug 24, 2007 11:14 AM GMT
    Yes - this is a very sad commentary
    and unfortunately it is true
    the addictive behavior among gay men is higher than the str8 community
    ..and we can debate the reasons why forever but here in SFla crystal meth is running rampant

    I work in Medicine and it is cutting across all social lines
    Doctors Lawyers ... you name it
    I had a friend who was a brilliant man ... spoke 4 languages fluently and worked at the UN
    and was thrown in jail for possession and had to dry out there from his addiction

    Fun is fun - I know but there has to be a line somewhere
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    Aug 24, 2007 11:22 AM GMT
    Completely agree and appreciate comments from Obscenewish, Wreick, and Laurence.

    It is very scary that many have the false idea about civil rights, and are confusing democratic society with homogeneity and tyranny of the majority, and failed to see that democratic socciety is of egalitarianism where there is not a comparison to a "norm" and differences are respected and honored.

    And Laurence, what a great observation and prediction! True to your suggestion, some are so fixiated with conformity, and some are neurotically pre-occupied with religion! Over and over and over and over again the same thing in EVERY thread of different topics! It makes me wonder if one thinks about God with EVERY aspect of live, even when one masterbates or have a bowel movement!
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    Aug 24, 2007 11:29 AM GMT
    GQJock, this is a problem in NYC as well, as I have protested my dismay on the Use of Illegal Drug thread on this site:

    http://www.realjock.com/topic/19026/

    Yes, there are many "fucntional" meth addicts out there, I know of a recovering NEUROSURGEON with a myth problem, and yet he goes to work everyday, doing spinal surgeries!

    AND I must give some RJ members a break and compliments where it is due..

    Laurence, I guess SOME guys will take a look at their own views and change!

    Look at Arvis 1804 and Smooth951 onthe Masculine and Fem thread. They turned around and re-evaluated their views. They did not repeat themselves over and over and over...

    http://www.realjock.com/topic/27506/
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    Aug 24, 2007 2:11 PM GMT
    1. Is anyone suprised?

    2. someone mentioned a gay-friendly church??? uummm ooookkkkaaayyyyyy

    Working in bars every weekend i see a lot of what i like to call "Gia's" after the late supermodel. I hate to say that it's no longer sad to me, but disappointing and sometimes disgusting.

    That's all.
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    Aug 24, 2007 2:13 PM GMT
    I admit that I do have a negative view of pride, and will try to tone down my comments.

    I do however think there are some concerning inconsistencies out there. Let's say that the statistics on the general American public's views of gay marriage (or any other component of gay rights) are true. What would happen to the benign, enlightened politician who took signficant steps to advance these rights? Can you say political suicide?

    I've given up on having intellectual discussions in these forums. There are too many people who don't know the difference between discussing ideas, and making it personal.
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    Aug 24, 2007 4:06 PM GMT
    If you're sick of me and religion, then you know how the world feels about Rosie O'donnell and gay. :)
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    Aug 24, 2007 4:16 PM GMT
    the idea that somehow being christian and partnered means you won't do drugs is just preposterous. i think that's what people are reacting to.

    but anyway... i think it's definitely true that drug use in the gay community is skyrocketing these days. at least it is here in NYC. just read craigslist on any given day and half the posts (or more) are guys looking to PnP, or looking for "ski buddies" -- it's waaaayyyyy more common than even a year or two ago.

    yikes.
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    Aug 24, 2007 4:45 PM GMT
    Not sick of "religion" though religion only breeds hate and fragmentation... just sick of the thought that it's a cure all.

    I'll use a quote i put in another thread, because it's the more the rule than the exception when it comes to the "religious" people, gay srt8 or other wise tha i meet.

    "Style don't get drunk on a Saturday night
    Try 2 dress up every Sunday mornin' bright"
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    Aug 24, 2007 4:48 PM GMT
    Why do you put a religious person in the blender feet first?

    So you can watch it's expressions.
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    Aug 24, 2007 5:01 PM GMT
    re: ashphenaz

    Darling, I'm glad you finally got it (though shocked it took this long): some people will HATE gays no matter what sanatized image is put out there. You can be ex-military, ltr, and work of the Red Cross yet for some people, if you enjoy sucking cock that automatically "X's" you out. This is the world we live in presently.

    re: this topic (sorry for the length)

    Gays are tolerated in the US but still widely hated and condemned (venture outside of your metropolis and ask around if you'd like to correct me)by too many. Shame is pervasive and once a person is out, they are not necessarily confronted with a "gay utopia" but often, a superficial community (or "superficial sense of community") with some serious problems. We (gay people) lack elders, lack a widely shared history, lack mythos, and instead exist on the periphery of the Now sans the Then. We've existed forever in every color in every culture on every continent, yet we still have to "come out" as though being gay were something new to human beings. Anyway, I belive a lot of our issues are a result of the spiritual/emotional vacuum, a hollowness itself which resides at the rainbow-colored core. Yeah, we can get "blasted" or "fucked" out of our minds, but is this bringing us any closer to tomorrow? This "hollowness" can be felt at times in the clubs, in the baths, or just among each other. Many of us (not just gays) are spiritually (nothing to do with religion)& emotionally wounded creatures who lack the words or opportunity to talk about our state of being...which "helps" some of us turn to drugs. This is my theory, anyway.

    Sorry for the rant. 2 cents.
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    Aug 24, 2007 5:09 PM GMT
    "Not sick of "religion" though religion only breeds hate and fragmentation..

    Martin Luther King Jr.??
    The Dalai Lama?
    Dorothy Day?
    Ghandi?

    People from every riligious background I know of have worded for unity and peace among all people, without demanding that everybody else conform to their religious views.

    Making blanket statements like the above serve neither truth or a useful purpose. As gay men, we have been deeply wounded by people in various religions, but to blanketly condemn religion as a result of some is the same thing the religious right do to us. And where does that get us?
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    Aug 24, 2007 5:16 PM GMT
    I'm not condemning all religions IN THIS POST though stating that there is quite a difference (in my mind) between being connected in a religion versus being connected spiritually. Spirituality is what you find in the silence among the trees or being intimate from your heart with someone, not among the pews in a church laying down rules for this or that. The US is full of churches yet could be called spiritually sick w/ people you'd hardly call "peace-loving". Sorry, that's my opinion...didn't mean to offend ya! :)