DON'T VOTE FOR WHITE PEOPLE!!!!

  • chitown_mofo

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    Sep 11, 2008 7:27 AM GMT
    This may sound ridiculous, and it is...really, really ridiculous...

    Election day is coming up, and here in the (not so) windy city of Chicago, that means we will be voting for about 5 bazillion different positions in one day. President of the USA, maybe a congressman, and about a billion different judge positions with about 30 candidates per slot.

    When I first moved here I was surprised at how many candidates I had to choose from for these judge positions (and other less glamorous public servant positions). Even if you do your homework, it is unlikely that you could ever research every candidate (potentially hundreds) or position. But these are important positions, right?

    My first time, I just didn't vote for any position where I didn't know about the candidates. Why vote for someone you know NOTHING about?

    Then a friend told me "Just vote Democrat, (party affiliation is indicated on the ballot), at least you know they are PROBABLY on YOUR side."

    I am a registered independent, but she was right, I usually go Democrat. But then I noticed at the next election time that there were many judgeships with one position to be filled, and like 30 candidates, some Republican, some Democrat, some Other. So now what?

    So here is what i have been doing for the past 3 years...I have found in my days that being a minority is a better indication that you share my views than ANY OTHER available info on the ballot (I myself am a proud anglo-saxon, rice-chex eating, acoustic guitar loving Honkey).

    So if I see one judgeship to be filled with 20 democratic candidates, and one is named Tyreisha Jackson or Javier Cabrerra. Then Tyreisha or Javier gets my vote! Its ridiculous! But to me its better than not voting at all - chances are they REALLY do share my views.


    Am I racist?

    Am I any worse than the person who blindly votes for Democrats or Republicans that they know nothing about?


    I am fully aware of the POTENTIAL flaws in this system...

    There could be minorities who dont share my views.....There could be non-minorities with minority-sounding names....there could be minorities with WHITE sounding names....the list goes on...But the odds are in my favor


    Thoughts?
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    Sep 11, 2008 10:26 AM GMT
    Get ready for the self-righteous around here who are going to start screaming at you for playing identity politics.

    he he he this should be fun.

    They'll say "voting for or against a particular race is EVIL and RACIST and we're WAY TOO EVOLVED for that" and probably tell you they're not racist because they'd love to see Condoleeza Rice fuck up some other office besides Secretary of State, and besides, isn't Colin Powell a standup guy, and really, be honest, isn't Alan Keyes right on the issues.

    I can hardly wait.
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    Sep 11, 2008 10:35 AM GMT
    jprichva said, and really, be honest, isn't Alan Keyes right on the issues.

    Hahahaha!
    Sorry... nothing profound to say after that. I'm just laughing too hard.
  • Koaa2

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    Sep 11, 2008 10:37 AM GMT
    I hear ya, on the this. But do you think Clarence Thomas, the Supreme Court Justice, shares your views as a African American person?. Not mine at all. Do you think any of the women who supported Hillary should automatically jump to Palin, who is so different than Hillary, it is unbelievable. There are many minorities who are extremely conservative, and who do not share my views, so I would have to be careful.
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    Sep 11, 2008 10:45 AM GMT
    I just vote for the guy I think has the biggest dick.

    Or a woman who I think kicks ass in bowling league.

    I'm still waiting for my dream candidate of a guy with a big dick who looks like a woman who can bowl really well.



    I can dream can't I?
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    Sep 11, 2008 10:45 AM GMT
    I don't believe you're racist, but you're not doing any better than those who will vote blindly for their party without educating themselves. You really should take the time to read up on everybody on the ballot box...

    ...haha this will be fun to read. As much as I would love to vote democrat, I will watch the debates and make my decision then... which would mean i'll prolly vote republican again d'OH.
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    Sep 11, 2008 11:03 AM GMT
    icon_lol.gif an ingenious system icon_lol.gif well it is at least true that minorities are more likely to not be republicans. Lets just look at it as supporting affirmative action! icon_lol.gif Diversity is good!
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Sep 11, 2008 11:31 AM GMT
    Given that you asked: yes. You are making a decision solely on the basis of perceived race, and using that to pick who gets political power. You are assuming that your perception of their racial background will be the most informative item you have about their thoughts (even though you also have information about party affiliation, which while certainly not absolute--most politicians don't vote straight party line every time--is at least a classification based on thoughts rather than circumstances of birth), and are judging them accordingly. That is, by most standards, the very definition of racism. Whether or not that is evil is not something I'm going to touch, but it is racism. You just have to determine whether you're OK with that.
  • Koaa2

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    Sep 11, 2008 12:03 PM GMT
    The same goes with gay candidates. I have not voted for a gay candidate when I disagree on their positions, and I will not vote for Log Cabin Republicans who support the Republican platform and people like Palin.
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    Sep 11, 2008 12:41 PM GMT
    National party politics are nothing like state party politics. The parties in Chicago are not owned by old white guys. There are people of all races making up the status-quo in my town and there are people of all races in opposition. A little research goes a long way. Look at the list of endorsements a candidate has, that is an easy way to see where their politics are.
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    Sep 11, 2008 12:57 PM GMT
    BOLD TEXT GOES HEREITALIC TEXT GOES HERE This just goes to show the lack of conviction in the gay comunity. I voted for him because of the earings he wears or the shoes he had on with the black suit.
    Voting along party lines is bad enough, but to stand up and admit a lack of charactor that you won't go for what you believe in is sad. But as a gay comunity we will stand up and do some serious bitching if things are not done the way we like. It might be time to rethink our stand on this.
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    Sep 11, 2008 1:03 PM GMT
    I thought voting for a guy with a big dick was doing honor to the gay community.

    Don't tell me I got that wrong.



    Oh dammit. I have to come up with a new voting scheme now.
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    Sep 11, 2008 1:32 PM GMT
    Here's one alternative approach you might consider... Find an organization in your area which you think represents/approximates your beliefs and accept their recommendations on the candidates. Print out their list of recommendations and take it with you when you vote.

    It won't be perfect, but it will get you a lot closer to a meaningful decision than making a judgment off of the candidates name.
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    Sep 11, 2008 1:41 PM GMT
    Looking at the NewCity (your alternative newsweekly) endorsements might give you a better approach, as those endorsements are issue based and tend to skew towards equal rights, environmental protection, reduced corporate welfare, etc.. Just rip out the endorsements page and bring it with you to the polls. You'll probably get dirty looks from a couple of people, but judging from your post it doesn't sound like you'd care what others think about your voting methodology.
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    Sep 11, 2008 1:52 PM GMT
    yo_mamali said[Y]ou're not doing any better than those who will vote blindly for their party without educating themselves. You really should take the time to read up on everybody on the ballot box...


    I disagree with this statement. Party identification is a perfectly appropriate signaling device, and that function is probably party identification's very purpose. Political economists don't have a model of endogenous party formation, but it's a good guess that its label component at least simply operates as an information signal in an otherwise low-information environment. I don't have any empirical evidence, but I'd suspect that people vote the party line more commonly in local elections than in the presidential race, regarding which people typically have more information.

    So, use party affiliation as your proxy, or bring a trusted newspaper's list of endorsements life others suggested to add even more specific information.
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    Sep 11, 2008 1:56 PM GMT
    iguanaSF saidI thought voting for a guy with a big dick was doing honor to the gay community.

    Don't tell me I got that wrong.


    I dunno. If you just voted for the dicks themselves, you'd have voted for Dick Cheney.
  • chitown_mofo

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    Sep 11, 2008 3:07 PM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidGiven that you asked: yes. You are making a decision solely on the basis of perceived race, and using that to pick who gets political power. You are assuming that your perception of their racial background will be the most informative item you have about their thoughts (even though you also have information about party affiliation, which while certainly not absolute--most politicians don't vote straight party line every time--is at least a classification based on thoughts rather than circumstances of birth), and are judging them accordingly. That is, by most standards, the very definition of racism. Whether or not that is evil is not something I'm going to touch, but it is racism. You just have to determine whether you're OK with that.


    I'm not assuming, im applying from my own experience in life. In all of my days this is a stronger correlation than party. We are literally talking hundreds of candidates, there is no way to read up on all of them. Why not go with the best indicator that I have?

    And again, I acknowledged there are potential pitfalls (Minorities who dont share my views, etc.) But again, the odds are in my favor, more so than anything else on the ballot. So is this racism as a useful voting tool?
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    Sep 11, 2008 3:36 PM GMT
    chitown_mofo said
    And again, I acknowledged there are potential pitfalls (Minorities who dont share my views, etc.) But again, the odds are in my favor, more so than anything else on the ballot. So is this racism as a useful voting tool?


    This logic is no better than saying that "I notice that most of the people I've met who wear green shoes, tend to be similar to me in our political affiliations and ideals. Therefor, I shall vote for anyone who wears green shoes."

    So your voting for someone based on coincidence and not as an informed citizen.
  • auryn

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    Sep 11, 2008 3:47 PM GMT
    iguanaSF saidI just vote for the guy I think has the biggest dick.

    Or a woman who I think kicks ass in bowling league.

    I'm still waiting for my dream candidate of a guy with a big dick who looks like a woman who can bowl really well.



    I can dream can't I?


    So does that mean you voted for Bush? Cheney is 5' 8", right? So that means that Bush had the biggest Dick and both were giganamous dicks. icon_wink.gif
  • groundcombat

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    Sep 11, 2008 3:47 PM GMT
    While I wouldn't consider it the smartest way to vote, I can't say there's anything wrong with it. It's your vote and you can use it as you choose. There's no rules saying you have to use a conventional scoring rubric or even be fair about determining it. You've done your civic duty just as much as the next guy.
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    Sep 11, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    You are prejudiced and that is something bad guy politicians count on to get themselves elected. Smart people vote for the best candidate.
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    Sep 11, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    iguanaSF saidI just vote for the guy I think has the biggest dick.


    It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who votes this way.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Sep 11, 2008 4:35 PM GMT
    "I'm not assuming, im applying from my own experience in life. In all of my days this is a stronger correlation than party. We are literally talking hundreds of candidates, there is no way to read up on all of them. Why not go with the best indicator that I have?"

    Yes, you are assuming. For one, you're assuming that a person's name is an accurate reflection of their ethnic background. Secondly, you're assuming that because in the past you've found minority politicians to more accurately align with your views, that this will hold true for the future, about individual politicians you know virtually nothing about. It is possible that your assumption on that one is correct, but unless you're actually researching a candidate's positions, you are indeed making assumptions.

    Note that in my initial post, I didn't actually say that what you are doing is a bad idea or unjustified. I have an opinion about that, which may have been obvious from the tone of one sentence in particular, but I didn't actually state it. I only explicitly replied to your question of whether what you are doing is racist. It is. You are holding your perception of a candidate's race to be the most important feature about that candidate in determining whether you would like them to have the job in question. By your own admission, you are ignore other information you do have on the candidates, such as party identification. You are making a decision entirely based upon what you believe their race to be. That is, inherently, racist. As I said before, it's up to you to determine whether you're OK with that.
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    Sep 11, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidYou are prejudiced and that is something bad guy politicians count on to get themselves elected. Smart people vote for the best candidate.
    I don't understand the correlation between voting for minorities and bad guy politicians. Also I believe the poster was specifically talking about judges not politicians.
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    Sep 11, 2008 4:48 PM GMT
    Seriously though folks, there are usually local chapters of people like human rights organizations that will give information and recommendations for various elected officials. http://www.hrc.org// for example. You can find them for all kinds of interests and concerns you may have as a voter. They will usually give reasons for their picks.

    here is one for illinois (officials that is) they usually have the actual picks closer to the election ..

    http://www.hrc.org/laws_and_elections/your_elected_officials.asp?state=IL&x=12&y=4&view=myofficials

    http://www.hrc.org/laws_and_elections/4743.htm?state=IL&x=8&y=6