"45 percent of US Democrats favour socialism. Fortunately most Americans still believe in capitalism"

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    Dec 02, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100191992/45-percent-of-democrats-favour-socialism-fortunately-most-americans-still-believe-in-capitalism/
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 02, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    After watching It's a Wonderful Life last night I'm reminded of the evils of greedy capitalism. 'Tis the season of giving. icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 02, 2012 4:19 PM GMT
    Once Obamacare is fully implemented over the next four years, there will be no going back. And those states without full imementation will have a great swelling of demand to fully implement it.
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    Dec 02, 2012 4:25 PM GMT

    This is ridiculous (how apropos); social policies that benefit everyone do not mean the absence of capitalism.

    What a pile of crap.
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    Dec 02, 2012 4:25 PM GMT
    Caslon22000 saidOnce Obamacare is fully implemented over the next four years, there will be no going back. And those states without full imementation will have a great swelling of demand to fully implement it.


    I think there are two significant issues to implementation:
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/healthcare/if-states-don-t-set-up-insurance-exchanges-will-obamacare-implode--20121130
    http://www.obamacarewatch.org/primer/employer-mandate
    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/11/995131/restaurant-company-uses-obamacare-as-an-excuse-to-shift-to-part-time-workers/

    If it gets implemented it may be a pyrrhic win given the job losses.
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    Dec 02, 2012 4:28 PM GMT
    Related:
    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/11/30/small-business-owners-lose-confidence-after-election/
  • jchris86

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    Dec 02, 2012 4:38 PM GMT
    Capitalism is great it what made us one of the richest countries and provided so many oppurtunities to people. The thing is we really don't have true capitalism today we have crony capitalism and that is what is helping to wreck our country. We have most of our politicians bought and paid for by corporate interests and thats bad for just about everyone. Look at big agra for example and how they are using the government to practically regulate small farmers out of business while they get left alone.
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    Dec 02, 2012 6:23 PM GMT
    Capitalism is fine, if its regulated.

    Unregulated capitalism is just organized crime.
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    Dec 02, 2012 6:33 PM GMT
    A former Thatcher aide basing his article on a Rasmussen poll (and we all know how accurate they are!), so he can argue that Americans shouldn't have the basic social services that he, himself, is entitled to?

    Typical riddler BS.
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    Dec 02, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
    There's no incompatibility between socialism and capitalism. Look at Germany, which is just about the most successful economy in the world at the moment.
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    Dec 03, 2012 12:36 AM GMT
    Nothing like the subject of capitalism vs. socialism that bring out fits of rage and fury on the left. How dare anyone rain on their Kristallnacht?icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 03, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    What we really need is something like capital socialism.
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    Dec 03, 2012 2:11 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidNothing like the subject of capitalism vs. socialism that bring out fits of rage and fury on the left. How dare anyone rain on their Kristallnacht?icon_smile.gif


    The problem is 'vs' is a ludicrous argument. The anger is over someone's all-too-well-known agenda.

    Playing dumb makes you look silly. icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 03, 2012 2:20 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    Blakes7 saidNothing like the subject of capitalism vs. socialism that bring out fits of rage and fury on the left. How dare anyone rain on their Kristallnacht?icon_smile.gif


    The problem is 'vs' is a ludicrous argument. The anger is over someone's all-too-well-known agenda.

    Playing dumb makes you look silly stupid. icon_wink.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 03, 2012 2:39 AM GMT
    What a ridiculous assertion.. jesus...
  • KissTheSky

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    Dec 03, 2012 2:44 AM GMT
    Fox News and the Tea Party have been misinforming people for years about what "Socialism" actually is. They seem to believe it's anything the government spends money on. It's clear that many Republicans have no idea what the term means, since they attach it to whatever the latest thing Obama is proposing, from building roads to hiring police officers.

    For example, a Pew poll from a few months ago found Americans under 30 prefer Socialism to Capitalism -- but I'm suspicious that they think Socialism is anything the government does to try help people, thanks to the endless mis-use of the term by Conservatives.

    For much of the country, the term has become meaningless, so I don't know how a poll would measure its popularity. (And if it's a Rasmussen poll, we know just how accurate they are) icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/young-people-socialism_n_1175218.html
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    Dec 03, 2012 8:04 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidNothing like the subject of capitalism vs. socialism that bring out fits of rage and fury on the left. How dare anyone rain on their Kristallnacht?icon_smile.gif

    Really? Kristallnacht? You're an idiot.
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    Dec 03, 2012 9:34 AM GMT
    Here's the Gallup poll.

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    Notice the high rankings across all ideological groups for "small business", "free enterprise", and "entrepreneurs", which are all features of a capitalist system.

    Also notice that while 62% of liberals give socialism a positive ranking, 59% of liberals also gave capitalism a positive ranking.

    Like "capitalism", "big business" is lower in support across all ideological groups.

    Americans know when they are being shat on by capitalist pigs. Apparently even 1 in 4 conservatives, who seem to think of socialism positively, lower than the majority of liberals who give it a positive ranking, but also surprisingly high.

    The Democrats are capitalist just like the Republicans. Our two party system is a system of two capitalist parties, one more liberal than the other, but still very much supportive of the capitalist system.

    A majority of Americans may still be brainwashed to support capitalism, but they still want a government that works in their interest, rather than the interest of the super-rich.

    It's also true that while a majority of Americans favor Christianity, they do not favor Christian fundamentalism.

    All this is just proof that oppressive far-right economic and far-right hateful social policies are going to doom the GOP for generations to come.

    They might as well learn from the the Keynesian, "Rockefeller Republicans" of old, if they wish to regain any hope of ever winning elections.

    Conservatism is all about resisting progress. But as history shows, conservatives always lose to progress.

    The "conservatives" of the future may be what we refer to now as "liberals". Just as conservatives who are against slavery would have been considered liberal 150 years ago.

    Just as feudalism became capitalism, so will capitalism become socialism. That is a fact. The only true point of contention, is when and how that will happen.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 04, 2012 8:42 PM GMT
    jchris86 saidCapitalism is great it what made us one of the richest countries and provided so many oppurtunities to people. The thing is we really don't have true capitalism today we have crony capitalism and that is what is helping to wreck our country. We have most of our politicians bought and paid for by corporate interests and thats bad for just about everyone. Look at big agra for example and how they are using the government to practically regulate small farmers out of business while they get left alone.
    Yeah and we ended up with that horrendous high fructose corn syrup in most of our foods.icon_mad.gif
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    Dec 04, 2012 9:02 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidhttp://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100191992/45-percent-of-democrats-favour-socialism-fortunately-most-americans-still-believe-in-capitalism/


    Who needs Nate Silver?

    CUTE ASIAN BOY knows everything about the US electorate.