Presidential and VP debates will be soon---Do you think these debates will cause Obama/Biden to "shine" and win over the electorate in large numbers????

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    Sep 12, 2008 1:01 AM GMT
    Currently the media is swooning over this Palin woman, and it seems that facts and issues from Obama/Biden are getting lost to Palins sudden popularity from the Christian Right. Because of this McSame/Palin are pulling ahead in the polls. I'm pinning my hopes on the debates getting the facts out for Obama/Biden to dispell all the lies that are going unchallenged by the media currently. What do you guys think??? Will the debates bring around public support once the truth gets out???? GOD HOW I HOPE SO !!!!!!!
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    Sep 12, 2008 7:29 AM GMT
    I think that the republican candidates will try to work the press to lower
    expectations of their candidates. They will say that McCain never claimed to be a great debater, etc. They will do the same for Palin. The will paint Biden as this being his strong point. So, barring any wild screw up, they will think that the republicans will be the winner.
    In my mind the real question is whether or not the press will have the balls to ask the really tough questions. The republicans have been working hard to portray the media as bad guys who are biased. I pray the the news folks see through this shit and do their job.
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    Sep 12, 2008 9:50 AM GMT
    The McCain camp has a great opportunity to take the luster off of the Obama camp here. Obama/Biden have vulnerabilities that resonate with most Americans.

    Our economy is tied to energy and the Republicans are much stronger on the issue. Al Qaeda, Iran and now Russia are credible threats and the Republicans have a stellar record when dealing with threats like this.

    Biden is seriously vulnerable when it comes to Iran.

    The Republican party is strong and I think McCain and Palin are up to the challenge.


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    Sep 13, 2008 8:23 PM GMT
    John43620 saidThe McCain camp has a great opportunity to take the luster off of the Obama camp here. Obama/Biden have vulnerabilities that resonate with most Americans.

    Our economy is tied to energy and the Republicans are much stronger on the issue. Al Qaeda, Iran and now Russia are credible threats and the Republicans have a stellar record when dealing with threats like this.

    Biden is seriously vulnerable when it comes to Iran.

    The Republican party is strong and I think McCain and Palin are up to the challenge.


    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John43620, I don't think there is anywhere near the threat that Bush/Cheney/McSame want us to think there is. Don't forget, Cheney's key man was over in Georgia with several hundred of our military to practice "WAR GAMES" with them just a few weeks before Georgia attach Acassia (sp?) where Russia had peacekeepers posted. This response from Russia was the natural reaction and these Neocons enjoyed making way more out of this against Russia, for the same purpose that they are stirring shit in Iran. IT HELPS THE ELECTION OVER HERE IN THE USA, and it furthers their goals of controling the oil resources in that part of the world, don't forget there's an oil pipeline going through Georgia on its way to Israel markets.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are you saying is Bidens vulnerability as far as Iran is concerned?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't think the NEOCON republican party is as strong as all that or they would be so desparate as to do all the lieing they've been doing lately to win. You know they run a very high risk of taking the lies too far and bursting their own bubble !!!!!!!! I HOPE IT HAPPENS SOOOOOOON !!!!!!
  • Barricade

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    Sep 13, 2008 8:51 PM GMT
    John43620 saidThe McCain camp has a great opportunity to take the luster off of the Obama camp here. Obama/Biden have vulnerabilities that resonate with most American...



    That always sounds like the Republicans are just jealous Obama isn't a stiff ass old man. He has appeal to a much broader group of people unlike John McCain. Sarah Palin has become a household name overnight and not because of anything important she has done. Right now, she has brought alot of renewed interest to the party and is resonating to alot of women that aren't informed as to what she really stands for. So, I look for the Veep debate to be a little more interesting the the Presidential one imo. Biden will show HER vulnerabilities and hopefully show that America needs more than a "hockey mom" .
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    Sep 13, 2008 9:04 PM GMT
    realifedad said Currently the media is swooning over this Palin woman, and it seems that facts and issues from Obama/Biden are getting lost to Palins sudden popularity from the Christian Right. Because of this McSame/Palin are pulling ahead in the polls. I'm pinning my hopes on the debates getting the facts out for Obama/Biden to dispell all the lies that are going unchallenged by the media currently. What do you guys think??? Will the debates bring around public support once the truth gets out???? GOD HOW I HOPE SO !!!!!!!



    It's anyone's guess, RLD...It could strengthen Obama/Biden with a good showing by them and a stumble by either McCain or Palin, or it could seal the deal for McCain/Palin should they shine. One thing is for certain, the whole country will likely be tuning in and the election could be won (or lost) based on these performances.
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    Sep 13, 2008 9:54 PM GMT
    If the debates are anything like the ones during the primary I think people would rather watch QVC
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    Sep 13, 2008 9:59 PM GMT
    Barbara Walters should moderate a debate. With Bill O'Reilly. Oh, god, would that be fun to watch.
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    Sep 13, 2008 9:59 PM GMT
    Turn off your televisions; read the newspaper; THINK with your own minds and draw your OWN conclusions.

    Y'all addicted to flashy images and sound-bites.
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    Sep 13, 2008 10:11 PM GMT
    It's not your election, aerosol. ...Dont worry about it. ...You go worry about Harper, Dion, and the Green lady. .... icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 13, 2008 10:22 PM GMT
    I agree with Aero.
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    Sep 13, 2008 10:31 PM GMT
    pecxpress saidI agree with Aero.


    Newspapers etc can be just as misleading....television debates can convey information with the candidate's demeanor and articulation that are lost in print...

    Turn off your computer, THINK with your own minds and draw your OWN conclusions.

    Y'all addicted to flashy forums and thread-bites?

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  • SkyMiles

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    Sep 13, 2008 10:41 PM GMT
    Unless somebody screws up, and I mean catastrophically, the debates won't make any difference. 90% of the people in this country vote for sound-bite encapsulations, so McCain/Palin is the *War-Hero/Hockey Mom* against the *Change Guy/some Senator nobody ever heard of*.

    We're too busy watching TV and surfin' the net to pay attention to their policies, examine their credentials or listen to debates! Come on now icon_neutral.gif

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    Sep 13, 2008 10:53 PM GMT
    Not to mention he finished in the bottom BOTTOM of his class, crashed 5 planes and got his ass captured by the enemy.
  • styrgan

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    Sep 13, 2008 11:43 PM GMT
    I don't know... I think it's going to be neck and neck until election day. McCain has been running a really good campaign recently.. and even if he isn't the best debator, I bet that unless he has a major gaffe, he'll keep the race tight.
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    Sep 14, 2008 10:24 PM GMT
    Caslon6000 said
    Y'all addicted to flashy forums and thread-bites?


    Said the man with 7005 posts to his name. :-P
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    Sep 14, 2008 10:27 PM GMT
    Aero saidSaid the man with 7005 posts to his name. :-P

    OMG...I broke 7000....I hadnt noticed ... icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 14, 2008 10:31 PM GMT
    I was gonna remind you, but didn't want to embarass you needlessly. Kerb your enthusiasm, you'll wake your mother.
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    Sep 14, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    Aero saidI was gonna remind you, but didn't want to embarass you needlessly. Kerb your enthusiasm, you'll wake your mother.

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 14, 2008 10:52 PM GMT
    It will be interesting to watch the debates. I think the McCain/Obama debates will be important on a number of levels...

    The Biden/Palin woman debate will be entertainment value.....

    I'm sure we will all be commenting on the outcomes...
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    Sep 14, 2008 10:54 PM GMT
    The moment that Palin was introduced and she started thanking Hilary Clinton for the strides she's made for woman, and the integrity of her campaign, my ears immediately turned off. It was way to obvious what she was trying to do.

    This woman is just another Republican tool. Read the majority of what Alaskan citizens write about her in various blogs. She only does things to appease the Republican machine.

    Although I'm not a huge Joe Biden fan, I truly believe that he is going to eat her alive in the VP debate, and I pray that America realizes that she would take us back to the stone age once McCain gets elected...then dies of a massive heart attack or stroke.
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    Sep 14, 2008 10:57 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidIt will be interesting to watch the debates. I think the McCain/Obama debates will be important on a number of levels...

    The Biden/Palin woman debate will be entertainment value.....

    I'm sure we will all be commenting on the outcomes...

    Indeed, Palin is going thru the easy part now. ...Getting such star treatment and being built up so much could just set her up for a much nastier fall if she doesnt perform....and performing against Biden will be hard.
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    Sep 14, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    Al_Bee5000 saidThe moment that Palin was introduced and she started thanking Hilary Clinton for the strides she's made for woman, and the integrity of her campaign, my ears immediately turned off. It was way to obvious what she was trying to do.

    Although I'm not a huge Joe Biden fan, I truly believe that he is going to eat her alive in the VP debate, .



    Al_Bee is a very intuned man..... but one point of disagreement. If Biden were to consume the Palin woman, I doubt it would agree with him...

    LOL

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    Sep 14, 2008 11:52 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    Al_Bee5000 saidThe moment that Palin was introduced and she started thanking Hilary Clinton for the strides she's made for woman, and the integrity of her campaign, my ears immediately turned off. It was way to obvious what she was trying to do.

    Although I'm not a huge Joe Biden fan, I truly believe that he is going to eat her alive in the VP debate, .



    Al_Bee is a very intuned man..... but one point of disagreement. If Biden were to consume the Palin woman, I doubt it would agree with him...

    LOL

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    True, he may be in for some horrid indigestion icon_redface.gif
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    Sep 15, 2008 2:35 AM GMT
    Up until McCain introduced Gov Sarah Palin as his Veep choice the right was pretty lethargic. The media itself which has been a strong hold of the left has created their own monster with her and will continue to do so. The right is awake and bursting out all over. They have that right as does the left to embrace who they feel best represents their voice.

    Do I think the debates will destroy or help on either side? Personally I think JoBama needs to be very very careful from here on out and they need to beg the media to back off a bit in their blatant attempt to discredit the other side. Just let things happen as they should. Attacking a woman on everything short of breathing the same air space as a Democrat is ridiculous. It just looks real bad and pathetic and it suggests someone is very scared of her and what her name may do in this race.

    The media is making or has already made Gov. Sarah Palin the underdog and there is a connection with her that cannot be over looked at this point. I think it's a sincere comment by her when she acknowledges the contribution HRC has brought to the table in regard to women and politics. Hill actually doesn't even own that as we know GF will forever be the forerunner in all that.

    Honestly, I think that Obama "may" suffer from the debates if he uh, uh, uh's around a question too much. Biden also needs to be very careful that he doesn't become snarky. Palin answers straight fwd. The left won't like anything she does while the conservative right will jizz on every last word that comes out of her mouth and if their is an obvious bias to treat her poorly once again the left will suffer for it.

    So I don't think the debates will negatively affect the right. I think every thing the left does including debates can weaken them further. I'm shocked at how viscious this has gotten but still excited to see the final vote tally. As of today Mn of all places is squarely even for the first time ever in daily polls. That is jaw dropping for all to see and realize. Mn is traditionally Dem no matter what and to see it this close and the fact that McCain has eclipsed the over all poll at 50 and perhaps a bit higher I'd say the left needs to be careful.