How to fix Medicare the right way

  • metta

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    Dec 04, 2012 7:24 AM GMT
    How to fix Medicare the right way

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-to-fix-medicare-the-right-way-2012-12-03?pagenumber=1
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    Dec 04, 2012 7:42 AM GMT
    We spend 2x as much, but don't have much longer life expectancy.

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  • MikemikeMike

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    Dec 04, 2012 8:08 AM GMT
    you can always move out of the US. No one is stopping you!!
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    Dec 04, 2012 1:36 PM GMT
    Raise the retirement age to 70, starting tomorrow.
  • Koaa2

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    Dec 04, 2012 1:59 PM GMT
    The Medical Companies, Insurance Companies and Physician costs are killing it, and they don't want to lesson their profits at the cost of a better system.
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    Dec 04, 2012 2:35 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidyou can always move out of the US. No one is stopping you!!


    Ah this is such a stupid response!! The solution is to fix the problem, not to move!!
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    Dec 04, 2012 2:36 PM GMT
    Did anyone notice that if we had comparable health care costs per capita to the UK, we would actually CLOSE the federal deficit?
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    Dec 04, 2012 2:47 PM GMT
    Koaa2 saidThe Medical Companies, Insurance Companies and Physician costs are killing it, and they don't want to lesson their profits at the cost of a better system.


    Except for the fact that the US spends as much on public healthcare per capita as Canada does, and doesn't even come close to covering everyone.
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    Dec 04, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
    Incorrect—Canada spends ~$4000 per capita per annum. Much less than the US.
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    Dec 04, 2012 3:03 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidIncorrect—Canada spends ~$4000 per capita per annum. Much less than the US.

    Er, actually true. I was referring to government (not including private) spending on healthcare which is higher but not that dramatically higher. It is still remarkable that the US government spends more on public healthcare than Canada does on a per capita basis and there remain those who believe they should be responsible for *all* healthcare spending.

    http://www.who.int/whosis/whostat/EN_WHS09_Table7.pdf

    Also - Canadian government spending is somewhere in the realm of 5200 from a few other sources but here shows total healthcare spending of about 5600 per capita.

    http://www.cihi.ca/CIHI-ext-portal/internet/en/Document/spending+and+health+workforce/spending/RELEASE_28OCT10
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    Dec 04, 2012 5:40 PM GMT
    Single payer system (universal) has less middle men that suck on the system like leaches; some are necessary, like the collection agencies, and those costs are added into fees etc. Unpaids and uncollectables are also added in.

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    Dec 04, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
    meninlove said Single payer system (universal) has less middle men that suck on the system like leaches; some are necessary, like the collection agencies, and those costs are added into fees etc. Unpaids and uncollectables are also added in.



    Ah - so how do you explain the fact that the US government isn't anywhere near efficient with its funds? Why not have the government run everything then to cut out the middlemen and costly competition?
  • MikemikeMike

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    Dec 07, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
    it will be better in 4 yearsicon_idea.gif
  • Webster666

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    Dec 07, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
    Koaa2 saidThe Medical Companies, Insurance Companies and Physician costs are killing it, and they don't want to lesson their profits at the cost of a better system.



    Yes, that is exactly the problem.
  • metta

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    Dec 08, 2012 2:17 AM GMT
    There are several problems with the system. I would like to see the entire system changed in a way to push for prevention as well as eliminate unnecessary tests and procedures. Pay more for prevention and make it cost more if they do not do it.
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    Dec 08, 2012 3:15 AM GMT
    Close all fast food restaurants.