ARE YOU Atheist OR Agnostic? Atheism and Agnosticism Are Losing Their Intellectual Superiority

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 12:53 PM GMT
    Quantum Physics Proof of a Notion of God

    I left [an atheist/freethinking] group because there's a quantum physics proof of a notion of God.

    I know the group says it has a Freethinking orientation, but I know, no matter that even Science now presents a rationale for God, the group will be reluctant to address the scientific findings.

    I don't feel like waiting around for Quantum Enigma by Bruce Rosenblum and Fred Kuttner to come up for book selection voting and finally get selected. That's the book the gives the scientific rationale for a notion of God.

    I have someone in my family who is agnostic and he is disgruntle that his superior exit from religion to science is no longer intellectually superior. And, I know, you and others are so vested in atheism, many will continue to go forward in atheism despite science no longer is on the side of atheists and agnostics.

    Feel free to explore the book and get back to me--especially, if the group, somehow chooses it for discussion.

    If you want to post this message to the discussion boards, please do so. If I'm able to read the boards there, I will. Let me know.

    If you or anyone else writes an amazon.com [or bn.com] review on this book that is of substantial quality, let me know, I'll read the review and vote whether or not it is helpful.

    Purpose, Wisdom, Love, and Peace,
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 1:25 PM GMT
    Same old story...science finds something they can't immediately answer, and someone fills in the gaps with a god.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3khmgZpvtE

  • HottJoe

    Posts: 21366

    Dec 05, 2012 2:20 PM GMT
    You obviously don't know what an agnostic is. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Delivis

    Posts: 2332

    Dec 05, 2012 3:35 PM GMT
    Sorry my dear, but there is no quantum physics proof of god. You have been misled.

    While physics is hard for most people to understand, let alone Quantum Mechanics, you can rest assured there is no physics proof for god since while all physicists believe in electrons and quarks and so on, most do not believe in a god.

    If physics proved a god exists, whatever physicists came up with that proof would win a nobel prize quite quickly.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
    More total bullshit from people who refuse to deal with reality.
  • vbportugal

    Posts: 82

    Dec 05, 2012 3:46 PM GMT
    People hoping science will eventually prove the existence of god will find something as of yet unexplainable or something with a complexity that "has to have been designed" and say it is proof of god.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
    Delivis saidSorry my dear,


    Lol. For the OP:

    1334846270447_4330972.png

    sashay-away.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 6:52 PM GMT
    Your assumption of some proof is empirical at best, that is through your own observation. I quess by quantum physics you may be referring to the Zero Point Field. However, even if that were proven by physicists, it is a considerable jump to consider that proof of God. The idea of God is a philosophical question and that is exactly where it belongs. The idea of God remains a matter of faith. If God can be discovered, it is only through self analysis, a very arduous task.
  • groundcombat

    Posts: 945

    Dec 05, 2012 7:06 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou obviously don't know what an agnostic is. icon_rolleyes.gif


    This is exactly the sentiment that came to mind after reading the OP.

    I consider myself agnostic because I don't know there is or isn't a God and frankly find the debate too tedious and fruitless to pursue.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 7:32 PM GMT
    StephenOABC said...even Science now presents a rationale for God...


    I'll answer this one as an atheist, and AGREE that science can present a rationale for (a) God.

    Where your "intellectual superiority" fails you, however, is that having a rationale for something isn't proof of it. Science deals with those things that can be proven (or unproven) with observation, experiment, replication.

    Also, quantum physics is still an open-ended theory. It's done much to advance our knowledge of fundamental particles and forces, but it is still incomplete (a marriage of the Standard Model with General Relativity still eludes scientists). Thus a claim that quantum physics can posit something like the existence of (a) God is--get this--begging the question. Once the Standard Model can be established as the ultimate measure of reality (it isn't), you could hypothetically use it to fashion experiments that find God. I assure you, that ain't happening.

    Finally, all God fearers/worshipers/wonderers never address the very valid question: which God? Which God are we looking for? If you already have the answer to that, you are again begging the question--your conclusion is in your premise.

    Fuck your intellectual superiority. I shit on your rationale in four paragraphs.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 7:43 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou obviously don't know what an agnostic is. icon_rolleyes.gif

    +1
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 8:57 PM GMT
    "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics."
    -Richard Feynman, a scientist of some note.
  • Medjai

    Posts: 2671

    Dec 05, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
    God's existence, is by its very nature, is not scientific. An unobservable, all powerful being does not lie in the realm of the scientific process, period.
  • bfirbs

    Posts: 52

    Dec 05, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
    I'm an athiest and the concept of a god seems a tad rediculous to me. But I still don't shove that down others throats. They are entitled to believe what they want.

    BUT!!! Where this whole quantum mumbo jumbo goes wrong in saying it might prove a god then becomes which god? The christian/jew/muslim/ba hai god? The god(s) of hinduism? The spiritual beings of native north americans?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 9:33 PM GMT
    I'm rolling around the aisles in this one XXX
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 9:38 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou obviously don't know what an agnostic is. icon_rolleyes.gif

    tumblr_mcz7byAGgK1rod7vv.jpg

    I am agnostic, and well yeah I think you could look up a little bit more into it icon_smile.gif.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 9:41 PM GMT
    AGNOSTIC

    : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
    Also I have a feeling the OP is talking about the "God Particle",
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 9:45 PM GMT
    RadRTT saidAlso I have a feeling the OP is talking about the "God Particle"


    HAHAHAHAHAHA
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
    whats the difference between agnostic and atheist..icon_question.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 9:56 PM GMT
    calguy456 saidwhats the difference between agnostic and atheist..icon_question.gif
    Agnostic- basically believes there is and never will be proof if there is a God or not. And wont make a decision

    Atheist- Does not believe a deity exists 100%
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 9:56 PM GMT
    Everything is limited... if you've got a big enough mouth, any wrong can be made a right.
    Never hurts to think for yourself. icon_wink.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 10:08 PM GMT
    groundcombat said
    HottJoe saidYou obviously don't know what an agnostic is. icon_rolleyes.gif


    This is exactly the sentiment that came to mind after reading the OP.

    I consider myself agnostic because I don't know there is or isn't a God and frankly find the debate too tedious and fruitless to pursue.


    Ditto.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 10:36 PM GMT
    RadRTT saidAgnostic- basically believes there is and never will be proof if there is a God or not. And wont make a decision

    Atheist- Does not believe a deity exists 100%


    Neither is correct. They are not data points on the same spectrum like homosexuality is to bisexuality is to heterosexuality.

    Agnosticism: admitting to not knowing, usually about the existence of a deity. The decision is a rational one, not caused by indecisiveness but by lack of evidence.

    Atheism: having no deity. Whether chosen (a former believer) or raised that way (was never introduced to the concept of a deity), most atheists prefer to eschew any discussion about deities that includes the assumption (begging the question) that they exist. In this way, an atheist can be agnostic or "gnostic" (having certitude).

    Atheism is on the same spectrum axis as theism, one end as opposed to the other. Agnosticism is on a different spectrum that intersects the theism spectrum at a right angle, with agnosticism on one end and gnosticism on the other (not knowing to knowing). Agnosticism is not "atheism-lite".
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 05, 2012 11:14 PM GMT
    The thing is, science may not entirely prove that God does not exist, but it certainly says God doesn't need to exist. Chemistry, Physics, (and Quantum Physics), Biology, Evolution, Microbiology ... the more we learn, the more can be seen that no "deity" need play a part for everything to be what it is.

    Occam's Razor says there is no god.