Execution of gays in other countries just for being gay.

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    Dec 07, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
    Why are so many U.S. Gay men blind to the execution of gays in other countries?
  • MikeW

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    Dec 07, 2012 2:53 AM GMT
    ?

    The US is the biggest purveyor of violence in the world. Has been all my life. Most everyone, gay and straight, are blind to that. What's your point?
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    Dec 07, 2012 2:59 AM GMT
    US Gays are in a position to decrease violence against gays in other countries but instead enable it.
  • MikeW

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:01 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidUS Gays are in a position to decrease violence against gays in other countries but instead enable it.

    Ok, so what are you doing about it?
  • Bicuriouscool

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    Dec 07, 2012 6:41 AM GMT
    ^that. And anyway what do you think they can do? US had raged a war on Iraq/Iran, do u really think they are that peace loving?
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    Dec 07, 2012 9:39 AM GMT
    MikeW said?

    The US is the biggest purveyor of violence in the world.


    that's because war is good for business. If we stopped going to war think of all the people who work for defense contractors that would be out of a job.
  • DanOmatic

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    Dec 07, 2012 12:16 PM GMT
    And war is good for the all-important flag industry.
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    Dec 07, 2012 1:15 PM GMT
    I supported Ron Paul who would have cut off foreign aid.

    A majority of gays seem to support President Obama. The president has provided billions of taxpayer dollars in unrestricted US foreign aid to countries like Sudan, Nigeria and other countries who execute gays. Why would a gay person support someone who is complicit in executing gays?

  • joncfernan

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    Dec 07, 2012 1:31 PM GMT
    Mx5. I see your point

    But the next time a gay American travels to their land, they are binded to not lay a finger or exhibit foreign laws on them when regarding sexual orientation. We keep "good" relations with these people for this same reason - our country inspires And benefits from tourism. But we can't have our gay citizens being executes on foreign soil either.

    I know it's crude, and I highly support the abolishment of these inhumane ways, but money will not necessarily help buy them a new high tech guillotine for cutting off heads and arms. It's installed in their minds and it will be hard to change their ways.

    In the meantime, we keep peace and put on a good fake smile so that someday our trends pass over to them, just like gay tv shows and iPads. It's all a matter of media normalizing gays, it is slowly happening here and will in other places as well. (Glee, gay marriage, etc). If you think about it, a lot has happened in 2 years. The fact that we have openly gay politicians serving is a turnaround most people didn't see coming.
  • Medjai

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    Dec 07, 2012 2:40 PM GMT
    We aren't blind to it. We just see that there are more issues than sexuality to consider. There are bigger fish to fry right now.

    I'd be ecstatic to see a hippy world that's all peace and love, but sometimes you need to pick your battles. Personally I'm more concerned about the majority of Africa starving with HIV running rampant and untreated. That's what I give my time to, since I currently have no money to spare to donate.
  • Medjai

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    Dec 07, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
    makarov99 saidMx5. I see your point

    But the next time a gay American travels to their land, they are binded to not lay a finger or exhibit foreign laws on them when regarding sexual orientation. We keep "good" relations with these people for this same reason - our country inspires And benefits from tourism. But we can't have our gay citizens being executes on foreign soil either.


    You really think that'd protect you overseas? Haha!

    makarov99 saidI know it's crude, and I highly support the abolishment of these inhumane ways, but money will not necessarily help buy them a new high tech guillotine for cutting off heads and arms. It's installed in their minds and it will be hard to change their ways.

    In the meantime, we keep peace and put on a good fake smile so that someday our trends pass over to them, just like gay tv shows and iPads. It's all a matter of media normalizing gays, it is slowly happening here and will in other places as well. (Glee, gay marriage, etc). If you think about it, a lot has happened in 2 years. The fact that we have openly gay politicians serving is a turnaround most people didn't see coming.


    I'd like to know how you think that having gay tv shows, gay marriages and gay politicians means we've normalized gays. Sounds like we've just found more labels for things.
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    Dec 07, 2012 2:53 PM GMT
    WHAT A BUNCH OF SHIT!!! The OP raised an important and intelligent point, but the response of "our community" was a bunch of idiotic reflexive America bashing. (When was it we went to war with Iran again?) Kudos to the OP and let's start a petition to have foreign aid tied to non-abuse of gays (no executions, etc.).
  • FitGwynedd

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    Dec 07, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
    swimguychicago saidWHAT A BUNCH OF SHIT!!! The OP raised an important and intelligent point, but the response of "our community" was a bunch of idiotic reflexive America bashing. (When was it we went to war with Iran again?) Kudos to the OP and let's start a petition to have foreign aid tied to non-abuse of gays (no executions, etc.).


    But Jamaica would go bankrupt!
  • joncfernan

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:09 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    makarov99 saidMx5. I see your point

    But the next time a gay American travels to their land, they are binded to not lay a finger or exhibit foreign laws on them when regarding sexual orientation. We keep "good" relations with these people for this same reason - our country inspires And benefits from tourism. But we can't have our gay citizens being executes on foreign soil either.


    You really think that'd protect you overseas? Haha!

    makarov99 saidI know it's crude, and I highly support the abolishment of these inhumane ways, but money will not necessarily help buy them a new high tech guillotine for cutting off heads and arms. It's installed in their minds and it will be hard to change their ways.

    In the meantime, we keep peace and put on a good fake smile so that someday our trends pass over to them, just like gay tv shows and iPads. It's all a matter of media normalizing gays, it is slowly happening here and will in other places as well. (Glee, gay marriage, etc). If you think about it, a lot has happened in 2 years. The fact that we have openly gay politicians serving is a turnaround most people didn't see coming.


    I'd like to know how you think that having gay tv shows, gay marriages and gay politicians means we've normalized gays. Sounds like we've just found more labels for things.





    The only labeling I have ever seen is the one that comes from the gay community itself, even others take our owns labels and use it against gays.
    I don't know how many straight friends you may have, but mine are mostly straight and younger generation; their "labels" of gays are the same ones only a gay man would use on himself. Granted, a lot of them have supported me only after being exposed to it by the media and through gay movements at school....unless, of course, the only station you're watching is logo or jersey shore ;) (I don't have cable)
  • Medjai

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:22 PM GMT
    makarov99 said
    The only labeling I have ever seen is the one that comes from the gay community itself, even others take our owns labels and use it against gays.
    I don't know how many straight friends you may have, but mine are mostly straight and younger generation; their "labels" of gays are the same ones only a gay man would use on himself. Granted, a lot of them have supported me only after being exposed to it by the media and through gay movements at school....unless, of course, the only station you're watching is logo or jersey shore ;) (I don't have cable)


    My point is that, until being gay is seen as no different than anyone else, until it is no longer an issue, until coming out is irrelevant, etc. we will not be normalize. Gays are just as bad as straights for this. We are trying to make ourselves a protected group, as opposed to trying to make ourselves so alike everyone else that we don't need special protection.
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    Dec 07, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
    Unfortunately there's not a whole lot that you can do directly. Donating to groups that support LGBT people in these countries (if there are any im not sure) is an option. I get uneasy with this though, because for alot of these type of groups (non-profit) a large chunk of donations go towards administration costs.

    The biggest thing in my opinion you can do is write letters to your MP here in Canada (senator, or whatever you guys call it in the States) and try and get support to allow more and fast track the process for LGBT people in these areas to claim refugee status. For this tactic to be successful you need many people voicing a concern and lobbying to have it happen. So education is key here as well on the issue.

  • FitGwynedd

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
    squash1212 saidUnfortunately there's not a whole lot that you can do directly. Donating to groups that support LGBT people in these countries (if there are any im not sure) is an option. I get uneasy with this though, because for alot of these type of groups (non-profit) a large chunk of donations go towards administration costs.

    The biggest thing in my opinion you can do is write letters to your MP here in Canada (senator, or whatever you guys call it in the States) and try and get support to allow more and fast track the process for LGBT people in these areas to claim refugee status. For this tactic to be successful you need many people voicing a concern and lobbying to have it happen. So education is key here as well on the issue.



    The US already recognises LGBTs from countries that discriminate as refugees.
  • Medjai

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:30 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd said
    squash1212 saidUnfortunately there's not a whole lot that you can do directly. Donating to groups that support LGBT people in these countries (if there are any im not sure) is an option. I get uneasy with this though, because for alot of these type of groups (non-profit) a large chunk of donations go towards administration costs.

    The biggest thing in my opinion you can do is write letters to your MP here in Canada (senator, or whatever you guys call it in the States) and try and get support to allow more and fast track the process for LGBT people in these areas to claim refugee status. For this tactic to be successful you need many people voicing a concern and lobbying to have it happen. So education is key here as well on the issue.



    The US already recognises LGBTs from countries that discriminate as refugees.


    To be fair, so were Rwandans during the genocide, and most of them were sent home.
  • FitGwynedd

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:31 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    FitGwynedd said
    squash1212 saidUnfortunately there's not a whole lot that you can do directly. Donating to groups that support LGBT people in these countries (if there are any im not sure) is an option. I get uneasy with this though, because for alot of these type of groups (non-profit) a large chunk of donations go towards administration costs.

    The biggest thing in my opinion you can do is write letters to your MP here in Canada (senator, or whatever you guys call it in the States) and try and get support to allow more and fast track the process for LGBT people in these areas to claim refugee status. For this tactic to be successful you need many people voicing a concern and lobbying to have it happen. So education is key here as well on the issue.



    The US already recognises LGBTs from countries that discriminate as refugees.


    To be fair, so were Rwandans during the genocide, and most of them were sent home.


    No they weren't. That's just not true.
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    Dec 07, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd said
    squash1212 saidUnfortunately there's not a whole lot that you can do directly. Donating to groups that support LGBT people in these countries (if there are any im not sure) is an option. I get uneasy with this though, because for alot of these type of groups (non-profit) a large chunk of donations go towards administration costs.

    The biggest thing in my opinion you can do is write letters to your MP here in Canada (senator, or whatever you guys call it in the States) and try and get support to allow more and fast track the process for LGBT people in these areas to claim refugee status. For this tactic to be successful you need many people voicing a concern and lobbying to have it happen. So education is key here as well on the issue.



    The US already recognises LGBTs from countries that discriminate as refugees.


    Ya i know, thats why i said workout a new fast tracked system to get them out of these countries like Uganda. Again I'm not familiar with the American system, but in Canada. "The backlog for refugee cases is growing and cases are taking a year to two to schedule depending upon the region in Canada and the country from which the claimant is fleeing." Then they recommend a lawyer to help with the process (not an option for many people, especially LGBT people in these areas). Waiting 2 years for someone could be a death sentence.
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    Dec 07, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
    I know at its core the issue is alot more complicated then just "fast tracking" the system and any government change is stupidly slow, but got to start somewhere. Which i think is education and getting people to understand the plight of LGBT in these areas. Then working on an efficient system to help them get out of there.
  • FitGwynedd

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:35 PM GMT
    squash1212 said
    FitGwynedd said
    squash1212 saidUnfortunately there's not a whole lot that you can do directly. Donating to groups that support LGBT people in these countries (if there are any im not sure) is an option. I get uneasy with this though, because for alot of these type of groups (non-profit) a large chunk of donations go towards administration costs.

    The biggest thing in my opinion you can do is write letters to your MP here in Canada (senator, or whatever you guys call it in the States) and try and get support to allow more and fast track the process for LGBT people in these areas to claim refugee status. For this tactic to be successful you need many people voicing a concern and lobbying to have it happen. So education is key here as well on the issue.



    The US already recognises LGBTs from countries that discriminate as refugees.


    Ya i know, thats why i said workout a new fast tracked system to get them out of these countries like Uganda. Again I'm not familiar with the American system, but in Canada. "The backlog for refugee cases is growing and cases are taking a year to two to schedule depending upon the region in Canada and the country from which the claimant is fleeing." Then they recommend a lawyer to help with the process (not an option for many people, especially LGBT people in these areas). Waiting 2 years for someone could be a death sentence.


    The US system moves a lot faster than Canada's for refugees. We have massive backlogs here in the UK and the EU has it's head so far up it's arse with immigration problems its pretty hellish. But there has been so much abuse of the asylum process that I am leaning towards scrapping it now.
  • Medjai

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:40 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd said
    Medjai said
    FitGwynedd said
    squash1212 saidUnfortunately there's not a whole lot that you can do directly. Donating to groups that support LGBT people in these countries (if there are any im not sure) is an option. I get uneasy with this though, because for alot of these type of groups (non-profit) a large chunk of donations go towards administration costs.

    The biggest thing in my opinion you can do is write letters to your MP here in Canada (senator, or whatever you guys call it in the States) and try and get support to allow more and fast track the process for LGBT people in these areas to claim refugee status. For this tactic to be successful you need many people voicing a concern and lobbying to have it happen. So education is key here as well on the issue.



    The US already recognises LGBTs from countries that discriminate as refugees.


    To be fair, so were Rwandans during the genocide, and most of them were sent home.


    No they weren't. That's just not true.


    I've got it sourced in both my history texts, actually. They were classified as economic refugees due to the crisis there after the Belgians left the colony, and the US wasn't open armed for economic refugees at the time.

    Since the entire UN did not recognize the genocide for what it was for a long time after, certainly not within the 100 days, those fleeing had a lot of trouble finding safe harbor, especially in the US, where their refugee status was misclassified.
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    Dec 07, 2012 3:43 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidWhy are so many U.S. Gay men blind to the execution of gays in other countries?


    Because it doesn't directly affect them. Plus, people naturally find it difficult to focus on the plights of others when they feel their basic rights are either under served or under attack. Many American gay men and lesbians feel this way despite having far greater freedoms than most because they don't have EEO protections, medical rights, and marriage equality.

    This isn't rocket science. It's basically Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs personified.
  • FitGwynedd

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    FitGwynedd said
    Medjai said
    FitGwynedd said
    squash1212 saidUnfortunately there's not a whole lot that you can do directly. Donating to groups that support LGBT people in these countries (if there are any im not sure) is an option. I get uneasy with this though, because for alot of these type of groups (non-profit) a large chunk of donations go towards administration costs.

    The biggest thing in my opinion you can do is write letters to your MP here in Canada (senator, or whatever you guys call it in the States) and try and get support to allow more and fast track the process for LGBT people in these areas to claim refugee status. For this tactic to be successful you need many people voicing a concern and lobbying to have it happen. So education is key here as well on the issue.



    The US already recognises LGBTs from countries that discriminate as refugees.


    To be fair, so were Rwandans during the genocide, and most of them were sent home.


    No they weren't. That's just not true.


    I've got it sourced in both my history texts, actually. They were classified as economic refugees due to the crisis there after the Belgians left the colony, and the US wasn't open armed for economic refugees at the time.

    Since the entire UN did not recognize the genocide for what it was for a long time after, certainly not within the 100 days, those fleeing had a lot of trouble finding safe harbor, especially in the US, where their refugee status was misclassified.


    Considering some of the utterly hilariously false things you say on here, i'm not surprised that's what your "sources" tell you. Your wrong, no two ways about it.