Foreign gay partner

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    Dec 07, 2012 4:09 AM GMT
    Hi Friends,

    This topic is about same sex partner immigration when one partner from other country.

    I read some articles online that US does not allow same sex immigration rights to foreign partner to become citizen .
    What do you guys think , if a couple want to marry in states (where same sex is legal) but the foreigner partner will not get any immigration benefits, like the same way hetero sexual couples get citizenship after marriage.

    Is it good idea to let foreigner to become citizen?

    My view is, if that person can speak good English , if they can contribute towards their family and country's growth (in some way),and if the person does not have any criminal background and no major health issues, i think its better to grant citizenship.

    Many countries are already doing this. I hope USA will also join in the list soon.
    Let me know your opinion.
    Have great time friends.
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    Dec 07, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    We need to repeal DOMA. All people should have the right to bring their spouse to the U.S, no matter their sexual orientation.
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    Dec 07, 2012 8:59 AM GMT
    I'm often embarrassed to be an American. For an affluent, educated(?) society we sure are backasswards in our social policies. Too many Puritans still running around.
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    Dec 07, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
    Don't have to worry about it here.

    Another reason why Europe is better than the states. ;)
  • FitGwynedd

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
    ni_san saidDon't have to worry about it here.

    Another reason why Europe is better than the states. ;)


    Things Europeans have to worry about that Americans don't:

    Overpopulation
    Out of control immigration
    Inflation
    Hyperinflation (possibly)
    Housing shortages
    Healthcare shortages
    Strikes
    Anarchist movements
    Fascists
    Debt
    The imminent collapse of the EU
    David Cameron
    The BNP
    French people
    etc...
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    Dec 07, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd said
    ni_san saidDon't have to worry about it here.

    Another reason why Europe is better than the states. ;)


    Things Europeans have to worry about that Americans don't:

    Overpopulation
    Out of control immigration
    Inflation
    Hyperinflation (possibly)
    Housing shortages
    Healthcare shortages
    Strikes
    Anarchist movements
    Fascists
    Debt
    The imminent collapse of the EU
    David Cameron
    The BNP
    French people
    etc...


    You live in Europe yourself. ;) Besides, things like that varies from country to country.. Europe in general is just safer than USA is. We're more open-minded than they are, without Europe, America wouldn't be like it is today. ;) Besides, at least more countries are legalising gay mariage in Europe, while USA only has a few states that accept gay marriage. ;)
  • FitGwynedd

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
    ni_san said
    FitGwynedd said
    ni_san saidDon't have to worry about it here.

    Another reason why Europe is better than the states. ;)


    Things Europeans have to worry about that Americans don't:

    Overpopulation
    Out of control immigration
    Inflation
    Hyperinflation (possibly)
    Housing shortages
    Healthcare shortages
    Strikes
    Anarchist movements
    Fascists
    Debt
    The imminent collapse of the EU
    David Cameron
    The BNP
    French people
    etc...


    You live in Europe yourself. ;) Besides, things like that varies from country to country.. Europe in general is just safer than USA is. We're more open-minded than they are, without Europe, America wouldn't be like it is today. ;) Besides, at least more countries are legalising gay mariage in Europe, while USA only has a few states that accept gay marriage. ;)


    I live in Britain. I AM NOT EUROPEAN I DO NOT LIVE IN EUROPE. Europeans are not more open minded, Europe is not safer than America, and without America, Europe would be a bunch of Nazis. USA will have nationwide gay marriage in a few years. Get with reality...
  • jayatl56

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    Dec 07, 2012 3:57 PM GMT
    I'm surprised someone hasn't sued over this issue. When my BF and I were together we were thinking of moving back to the US together. I knew that even with domestic partnership legal in the Czech Republic it would not be recognized in the US. I'd have to employ him or find him work where he could get a resident/work visa.

    I finally realized that it wasn't about me but about what HE got out of our relationship. He worked for me in Prague, got anything and everything he wanted and moving to the US was part of his plan. All of this came out when I caught him serial cheating.

    So when it comes to this topic I would advise to move cautiously. I know not all foreign partners are like my ex but I still advise guys to move slowly and cautiously.

    On a side note, I'm now cautious when any guy, even here in the US, wants to get close to me - especially a younger guy. Burn me once shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me.

  • FitGwynedd

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    Dec 07, 2012 4:00 PM GMT
    jayatl56 saidI'm surprised someone hasn't sued over this issue. When my BF and I were together we were thinking of moving back to the US together. I knew that even with domestic partnership legal in the Czech Republic it would not be recognized in the US. I'd have to employ him or find him work where he could get a resident/work visa.

    I finally realized that it wasn't about me but about what HE got out of our relationship. He worked for me in Prague, got anything and everything he wanted and moving to the US was part of his plan. All of this came out when I caught him serial cheating.

    So when it comes to this topic I would advise to move cautiously. I know not all foreign partners are like my ex but I still advise guys to move slowly and cautiously.

    On a side note, I'm now cautious when any guy, even here in the US, wants to get close to me - especially a younger guy. Burn me once shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me.



    Eastern Europeans are horrible about that. Especially if your Canadian or Australian. That being said, they do issue visas before they will incur the cost of defending against a lawsuit because the agency that issues visas does have some autonomy to issue visas and grant amnesty.
  • chris_hasting...

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    Dec 07, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
    it's Europes fault were all 'puritan' anyway.... those weirdos LEFT europe because you ostracized them....

    ni_san said
    FitGwynedd said
    ni_san saidDon't have to worry about it here.

    Another reason why Europe is better than the states. ;)


    Things Europeans have to worry about that Americans don't:

    Overpopulation
    Out of control immigration
    Inflation
    Hyperinflation (possibly)
    Housing shortages
    Healthcare shortages
    Strikes
    Anarchist movements
    Fascists
    Debt
    The imminent collapse of the EU
    David Cameron
    The BNP
    French people
    etc...


    You live in Europe yourself. ;) Besides, things like that varies from country to country.. Europe in general is just safer than USA is. We're more open-minded than they are, without Europe, America wouldn't be like it is today. ;) Besides, at least more countries are legalising gay mariage in Europe, while USA only has a few states that accept gay marriage. ;)
  • FitGwynedd

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    Dec 07, 2012 4:02 PM GMT
    chris_hastings1 saidit's Europes fault were all 'puritan' anyway.... those weirdos LEFT europe because you ostracized them....

    ni_san said
    FitGwynedd said
    ni_san saidDon't have to worry about it here.

    Another reason why Europe is better than the states. ;)


    Things Europeans have to worry about that Americans don't:

    Overpopulation
    Out of control immigration
    Inflation
    Hyperinflation (possibly)
    Housing shortages
    Healthcare shortages
    Strikes
    Anarchist movements
    Fascists
    Debt
    The imminent collapse of the EU
    David Cameron
    The BNP
    French people
    etc...


    You live in Europe yourself. ;) Besides, things like that varies from country to country.. Europe in general is just safer than USA is. We're more open-minded than they are, without Europe, America wouldn't be like it is today. ;) Besides, at least more countries are legalising gay mariage in Europe, while USA only has a few states that accept gay marriage. ;)


    From the continent yes, from Britain and Ireland it was safety valve emigration, so we basically shipped all the undesirables off to the US, Canada and Australia.
  • Karl

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    Dec 07, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
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  • jayatl56

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    Dec 07, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
    Canada had a big gypsy problem a few years back when they dropped their visa requirements for Czechs. Gypsies with Czech citizenship left the Czech Republic en mass and quickly began milking the Canadian benefit system. Canada reinstated their visa program for Czechs, which pissed off the Czech government but Canada stood firm and started deporting gypsies. They also changed their policies such that any immigrant had to be there for a certain period of time before they could receive benefits.
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    Dec 07, 2012 6:44 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd said
    ni_san saidDon't have to worry about it here.

    Another reason why Europe is better than the states. ;)


    Things Europeans have to worry about that Americans don't:

    Overpopulation
    Out of control immigration
    Inflation
    Hyperinflation (possibly)
    Housing shortages
    Healthcare shortages
    Strikes
    Anarchist movements
    Fascists
    Debt
    The imminent collapse of the EU
    David Cameron
    The BNP
    French people
    etc...
    Oh fiery handsome Welsh guy ( you're from Wales, right?) I get your long list of European Horrible's, except, what have you got against the French ? After all, is I am informed, that's the land from which
    the people came which first settled Britain,Wales Scotland and Ireland, and there is still a large Celtic population living in Bretagne today. France has the best food, wine, and cheese in the world.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Dec 07, 2012 6:46 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidPretty sure all of that's legit up here in the "good America" (aka: Canada). No dif between marrying and bring home a same-sex spouse over a hetero one.


    and you can both live with Yourname till u both get settled.icon_cool.gif
  • FitGwynedd

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    Dec 07, 2012 6:49 PM GMT
    HikeSwimSkiSF said
    FitGwynedd said
    ni_san saidDon't have to worry about it here.

    Another reason why Europe is better than the states. ;)


    Things Europeans have to worry about that Americans don't:

    Overpopulation
    Out of control immigration
    Inflation
    Hyperinflation (possibly)
    Housing shortages
    Healthcare shortages
    Strikes
    Anarchist movements
    Fascists
    Debt
    The imminent collapse of the EU
    David Cameron
    The BNP
    French people
    etc...
    Oh fiery handsome Welsh guy ( you're from Wales, right?) I get your long list of European Horrible's, except, what have you got against the French ? After all, is I am informed, that's the land from which
    the people came which first settled Britain,Wales Scotland and Ireland, and there is still a large Celtic population living in Bretagne today. France has the best food, wine, and cheese in the world.


    The Celtic population in Brittany is highly exaggerated, and modern French people are not at all related to the Gauls which were the ancestors to the Brythonic peoples who were the ancestors of the Celts. I feel that French people epitomize the European attitudes of snobbery, affluence, superiority and arrogance, however I could have just as well used many countries as an example.
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    Dec 07, 2012 7:04 PM GMT
    The US does certainly discriminate against gay people, when it comes to immigration . The US policy is terrible when it comes to gays. It ought to accord the same rights to gays as it does to straights. If a US man marries a foreign woman, the woman can get a "green card," permitting residency, and later apply for citizenship. The foreign gay man, who marries a US gay man, cannot get a green card. In fact, if a foreign gay man who is married to an American or is the domestic partner of an American, tries to enter the United States, immigration officers will deny him entry, even as a tourist. And this is the supposedly liberal Obama administration Immigration Department (ICE) that is denying gay people the right to enter the United States. Until the law is changed, and there is no hope that it will be changed anytime soon, since the various "immigration reform" proposals do NOT include rights of gay partners to enter the US, no US citizen should marry or become a domestic partner of a foreign gay. Doing so is likely to make it impossible for the foreign gay to visit the United States. Probably if 90 percent of American gay men wrote there congressperson, asking that gay people be granted equal rights in immigration, some immigration reform bill that was passed would include this. But how likely is this?
  • jayatl56

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    Dec 07, 2012 8:48 PM GMT
    That said, American gay couples can adopt a child but in many other countries marry gay men cannot adopt or even get a surrogate in their country. Two couples I know in Prague are legally married but cannot adopt in their own country. So they came to the US and found a surrogate and 9 months later went back to Prague with twins (both couples had twins).
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    Dec 08, 2012 8:51 AM GMT
    Thank you to all. More posts are always welcome.
    Really great responses.
    Yes,for now, as a gay guy from other nation in USA, its hard to find my life partner and also to become citizen of this country.
    Hope USA will also legalize marriage nationwide and also equal immigration rights. Meanwhile, I will still keep searching my soul mate, icon_biggrin.gif