The purpose of drag queens?

  • whytehot

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    Dec 10, 2012 4:07 AM GMT
    I've seen drag queens (w/o drag) with the right features who can pass for pretty attractive girls, but instead they go overboard with the hair and those oh-so-fake cheekbones, and seem to go out of the way to look like a horse-faced tranny... why?

    Part of me thinks it's a subconscious effort to satirize feminine beauty and make it ugly, in the hopes of turning straight guys gay haha.
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    Dec 10, 2012 4:14 AM GMT
    Sometimes people are born into bodies which do not match their own identity.
    Sometimes people just want to be their own definition of "masculine", "feminine", "androgynous", or whatever blend fits with who they are at any moment in time.

    The clothes we choose to wear on our bodies should be a personal choice. What we choose to wear should not be dictated by others. We should be free to wear what we like, when we like, and how we like.

    How we may appear to others doesn't really matter if we see ourselves as beautiful. And, we should all strive to be beautiful in our own eyes. In the end, those are the only eyes which matter.
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    Dec 10, 2012 4:23 AM GMT
    Does it matter? Shouldn't we make room for all to lead the lives they find fit for self, The same way we pursue our own.
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    Dec 10, 2012 4:25 AM GMT
    I think all the Drag shows and other events that involve Drag Queens is to promote the whole message of being comfortable in who you are and what you want to be. I really enjoy going to drag shows, or even getting to talk to one of them, because they just have so much energy about them, and their enthusiasm is rather infectious. The drag queens really do their best to accentuate the part of their persona that they would not display so publicly in other aspects of their lives, and I believe such concept that they represent is an integral part in LGBT community.

  • BloodFlame

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    Dec 10, 2012 4:41 AM GMT
    I agree so much with GAMRican and Stevee90, it's just what the individual likes. And they enjoy doing it.

    Personally, I think that people should just leave them alone and let them do their thing. I mean, it's not like they are hurting anyone or forcing you to go to their drag shows or whatever. I guess I feel this way because my personal dress style is on the slight androgynous side and I get lots of crap for it but I personally like it and I'm not hurting anyone so I think this is why I feel people should do what they want.

    I will admit though, sometimes they can go a bit overboard with the makeup. But again, if they like that, more power to them.
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    Dec 10, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    to express their truth self?
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    Dec 10, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
    A woman might need a special, formal event to really doll herself up and likely so would a drag queen. I'm guessing that the point isn't trying to pass with subdued hair and makeup but to be out, loud and proud in venues where they'd attract the least negative attention.
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    Dec 10, 2012 4:50 AM GMT
    It's not a matter of making themselves appear more attractive to you, or men, or even themselves. It's art.

    Here's a sort of interesting, read that sort of hints at some of the deeper cultural elements...

    Paris Has Burned
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 10, 2012 4:54 AM GMT
    I think it is artistic expression ... that's why some drag queens are straight men
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    Dec 10, 2012 4:56 AM GMT
    Drag queenism is about being comfortable in hour own body and being to express who you are without someone else's definition of gender roles tying you down. They are everything the gay equality movement is about.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 10, 2012 5:54 AM GMT
    Most drag shows consist of raunchy satire and/or sentimental tributes to tragic ballad singers.
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    Dec 10, 2012 5:59 AM GMT
    Without drag queens we would not have the term sashay away.
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    Dec 10, 2012 6:01 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidDrag queenism is about being comfortable in hour own body and being to express who you are without someone else's definition of gender roles tying you down. They are everything the gay equality movement is about.


    This and entertainment. The OP is somewhat right, but that's just a type of drag queen. There are comedienne drag queens and those are the ones who probably don't look the most feminine but they tend to be super sassy and fun to be around. Then there are others who are feminine enough to look like a real woman and they tend to be glamourous. With that said, drag is more about entertainment. Yes, there are a lot of gay men that do it, but women dress in drag (known as faux queens) as well and even straight guys do it, such as Barry Humphries as Dame Edna. With that said, I'm even willing to do it for Halloween next year, myself.
  • calibro

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    Dec 10, 2012 6:48 AM GMT
    you assume the drag aesthetic is about looking like normal women. it's not. it's about hyperreality.
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    Dec 10, 2012 8:42 AM GMT
    To fill up and share the Charisma Uniqueness Nerve and Talent everyone else is missing in their lives.
  • imbrad

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    Dec 10, 2012 8:54 AM GMT
    Some queens don't know how to blend... just sayin ;) Love my lady-boys though.
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    Dec 10, 2012 11:12 AM GMT
    Drag queens and fems are meant to show those without the ballz to express themselves or too scared to come out of the closet, just what living out loud and proud is all about.
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    Dec 10, 2012 11:26 AM GMT
    calibro saidyou assume the drag aesthetic is about looking like normal women. it's not. it's about hyperreality.


    Not around here. Here it's a bunch of boys in dresses competing to be the prettiest girl at the prom. So it makes you wonder why they don't just go get the full on reassignment.

    Maybe if I saw a 'real' drag show with the over the top thing i might have a better opinion of them. But to me they are just boys putting no dresses because they haven't got enough self esteem to be themselves in pants.
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    Dec 10, 2012 11:38 AM GMT
    Some things need no purpose - they just "ARE".

    We dont need to analyse the world we live in, in order to enjoy it, to find pleasure in the moments that ARE because of people like the drag queens in our lives.


  • MidwesternKid

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    Dec 10, 2012 8:22 PM GMT
    Jokingly the first thought that came to my mind was, well straight men had the caveman, we had the drag queen and we some how evolved from the drag queen. Yea I'm weird. :p
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    Dec 10, 2012 8:34 PM GMT
    I think for me the whole Drag process helped me come to terms with my sexuality and at the same time feel like I still had a place in society as a gay boy. Growing up was lonely and painful, which we all feel in some way. As a youngling I was having a sexual identity crisis. I liked boys, but wait, only girls like boys, right? For me, the years I spent in the Drag scene allowed for me to have some emotional and mental support. They were my friends and my family. Once the dresses and makeup came off, alot of us "Girls" were just guys like me trying to find their way in the world. There were alot of cold lonely nights where the lights of the mirror and stage kept my heart warm and gave me hope. To this day, I have warmth and gratitude in my heart for all the Girls who helped me find my way. So, for me the purpose of Drag Queens was part of my process of becoming a man who likes men, and coming to terms with that. The heels and makeup have been put away for years, but the love we shared still keeps me warm on cold nights. icon_smile.gif
  • Sportsfan1

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    Dec 10, 2012 8:44 PM GMT
    If you cannot love yourself, how do you expect anyone else to love you?
  • kevmoran

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    Dec 10, 2012 8:55 PM GMT
    Aside from what other people have said, they're also usually something along with doing drag, the Drag Race girls being the exception. Usually they're DJ's, bartenders, club hosts, etc. that dress in drag as entertainment. And some do try to look "fishy" meaning they want to look like real girls. But most are making fun of women and purposely going over the top for the sake of drama and entertainment. I prefer the latter.
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    Dec 10, 2012 8:56 PM GMT
    Sportsfan1 saidIf you cannot love yourself, how do you expect anyone else to love you?


    Exactly! Great point Sir.....
  • kevmoran

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    Dec 10, 2012 9:02 PM GMT
    Also, while some I've known are perfectly capable and cool guys that just do it for fun, many do have underlying problems that they handle with drag. That's not to say they're bad people, just misunderstood. And I think many do want to undergo full gender reassignment (a la Sonique & Carmen Carrera), but it's a rough, expensive road. The whole process is about 3-6 years long, many people around you aren't supportive, the hormones are very emotionally and physically draining, and costs 60,000-100,000 when it's all said and done. And even at that rate, if you don't start the process while you're in puberty or teen years, you will never look like a believable woman. So for many it's already too late.

    Sorry for the tirade, I know it's the same thing I've said before, but I have some close transgender friends and it's hard to hear people in our own community so unsupportive.