Homophobia rooted in homosexual arousal

  • Puppymuncher

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    Dec 11, 2012 1:09 AM GMT
    So I've heard people talk of this before though I've never seen any documented proof. And then I came upon this today:

    https://my.psychologytoday.com/files/u47/Henry_et_al.pdf

    It gets very scientific very fast, but just read the summary at the top. Basically, it's suggesting that homophobic guys subconsciously get turned on by gay sex. This is very easy to believe, for me, because really, who hasn't heard of that living stereotype of the gay closeted guy who bullies other gays because he's so sexually repressed and needs to prove his manliness by beating up other gays.

    Thoughts people?
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    Dec 11, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
    Freud.
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    Dec 11, 2012 1:18 AM GMT
    It's a hunch I've had for a very long time.
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    Dec 11, 2012 1:19 AM GMT
    Another word for it is "projecting".
  • WkA93

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    Dec 11, 2012 1:21 AM GMT
    Makes sense. I mean homophobic gay guys that hate themselves so much they just channel their hatred onto others. I know like three of these ppl.

    Its funny cause even when they finally come out of the closet they STILL hate like 80% of gay guys. =P
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    Dec 11, 2012 1:36 AM GMT
    Like Duh, or something.

    I get a freaky kick out of making these guys sweat bullets, convinced one of these day's they'll drop to their knees; either that, or hit me.
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    Dec 11, 2012 1:40 AM GMT
    The facts behind this are stupid, but yeah gay men are hot. icon_cool.gif
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    Dec 11, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    The article saying that "Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies" differs from your thread title which says "Homophobia rooted in homosexual arousal".

    Regardless of association, their fear arises not from sexual orientation but from ignorance.

    I would imagine however that this is not the only cause of homophobia as there is also religious dogma to consider.

    My feeling is that it would be more generally correct to consider that anyone who is not comfortable with their own sexuality might tend towards a phobia of anyone else's.

    But then there's the question: is any nonacceptance of being gay a form of homophobia particularly considering religious dogma? Or can someone completely comfortable with their own sexuality but completely taken in by religious dogma be nonhomophobic yet judgmental of being gay? I tend to think that stretches the bounds of reality but I suppose, as long as they keep their laws off my body, everyone's entitled to live their personal delusions.
  • hanzo83

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    Dec 11, 2012 2:14 AM GMT
    I think that's the case for all homophobic men. Otherwise they wouldn't care what gay guys are doing. When I see a guy overreact to seeing something gay it's written all over their faces and their body language that they are turned on by it lol.
  • calibro

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    Dec 11, 2012 3:58 AM GMT
    maybe, but often not. a lot of it has to do with heterosexuals being threatened by gay men be gay men disorient the construction of their gender and in the process unravel their identities.
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    Dec 11, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    Thank you for sharing such a fascinating research! I always got the vibe that most homophobic men were really guys just stuck in their closet and sexually frustrated and scared of their sexual frustration at the same time. Media has long been portraying this idea as well, but it is nice to see it on a journal that is based on a seemingly legitimate, unbiased experiment.

    With that said, I have heard of cases where guys do get aroused when they feel a strong sense of aggression, hatred, etc. that can lead to violence. I doubt that all of the homophobic items in the experiment were closeted gays - rather, just people with weird fetishes lol.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 11, 2012 4:48 AM GMT
    So Fred Phelps is secretly gay
    EWWWWWWW
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    Dec 11, 2012 5:04 AM GMT
    My mother must be a deep rooted lesbian. Surely that's where all of her homophobic hate comes from............ that, or christianity.
  • monet

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    Dec 11, 2012 6:30 AM GMT
    Well duh, doesn't take a bunch of rocket scientists to figure that out.
  • Machina

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    Dec 11, 2012 8:07 AM GMT
    Knocks saidMy mother must be a deep rooted lesbian. Surely that's where all of her homophobic hate comes from............ that, or christianity.


    Hahaha! I think the christianity, more specifically the mormonism, is where my father's deep-seated hatred of gay people comes from. He thinks it's unnatural, but the problem is that he is a biologist, and should know better!

    I was hoping that the scientist would win out, but I guess we can't always get what we want... icon_sad.gif
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    Dec 11, 2012 8:14 AM GMT
    monet saidWell duh, doesn't take a bunch of rocket scientists to figure that out.


    Surely not... (or even psychologists).

    But it's fun to have a piece of scientific research to rub in the face of homophobia.

    We have to teach those guys, that in fact acting homophobic will make people question their sexuality LOL. So hand them a copy of that article every time they drop the F word icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 11, 2012 8:18 AM GMT
    That article is over 16 years old. If there weren't more modern research backing it then I would question its validity.
  • Machina

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    Dec 11, 2012 8:21 AM GMT
    judoguy said
    Surely not... (or even psychologists).

    But it's fun to have a piece of scientific research to rub in the face of homophobia.

    We have to teach those guys, that in fact acting homophobic will make people question their sexuality LOL. So hand them a copy of that article every time they drop the F word icon_lol.gif



    Oh, that would be so much fun.
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    Dec 11, 2012 9:57 AM GMT
    redox87 saidThat article is over 16 years old. If there weren't more modern research backing it then I would question its validity.


    If there is basic evidence that supports the research why should time make any difference

    The theory of relativity was postulated and developed between 1905 and 1917 and its still relevant today


    Your basic premise is flawed
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    Dec 11, 2012 10:47 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidSo Fred Phelps is secretly gay
    EWWWWWWW



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    Dec 11, 2012 10:51 AM GMT
    Being the scientist I am, I love to play devil's advocate and have to point out that anxieties and fears can induce the same stimulative response.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092656606000080
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    Dec 11, 2012 11:23 AM GMT
    Knocks saidMy mother must be a deep rooted lesbian. Surely that's where all of her homophobic hate comes from............ that, or christianity.


    I know right ! I guess my dad is a big homo too. Actually, that explains all of those bath house photos I found that time. Now the pieces of the puzzle start to come together icon_lol.gif
  • Sportsfan1

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    Dec 11, 2012 11:36 AM GMT
    Why are we surprised by this? I thought it was known that the guys that are so violent against other gay men is because they are covering up what they know they feel deep inside. Any man that is truly comfortable with his sexuality would not feel in any way threatened by gay men or gay sex.
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    Dec 11, 2012 6:37 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    calibro saidmaybe, but often not. a lot of it has to do with heterosexuals being threatened by gay men be gay men disorient the construction of their gender and in the process unravel their identities.


    Straight men typically objectify women sexually. From the friends I had growing up, all the guys that ever came into contact with a new (from decently attractive to flat out gorgeous) woman would start talking about her in an exploitative manner once she left the room. They'd carry on about how they'd use her sexually and basically toss here aside like a dirty napkin once they're done - thus, delusively believing they're somehow in control.

    I truly believe that because straight men do this they automatically think that gay men do this to them. Not only do they feel objectified but they also don't feel in control and this one of the reasons why they feel very threatened.


    Something I would thoroughly agree upon!

    +1.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 11, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
    I wonder if they have to"punish" themselves every time they masturbate.icon_confused.gif