Do not read this NY Times article about Sarah Palin. It is full of inconvenient facts.

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    Sep 14, 2008 6:50 AM GMT
    I love the second graf about one of her appointees:

    "So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency."

    Read or don't read the lengthy article here (sorry if someone else already linked to it):

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ei=5070&emc=eta1
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    Sep 14, 2008 6:54 AM GMT
    Yep, the "Times" is where one goes to get the unfettered truth..
    So many folks read the "news" in the papers anymore, they must just be hauling in the cash..Oh wait, the unemployment rate is up due to them standing in the line with everyone else. Yes, will the last person standing turn off the lights..which is gonna be real soon.
    Press today and facts seem to just not have the same meaning they did..
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    Sep 14, 2008 7:12 AM GMT
    plowmyground saidYep, the "Times" is where one goes to get the unfettered truth..
    So many folks read the "news" in the papers anymore, they must just be hauling in the cash..Oh wait, the unemployment rate is up due to them standing in the line with everyone else. Yes, will the last person standing turn off the lights..which is gonna be real soon.
    Press today and facts seem to just not have the same meaning they did..

    Let me see if I've got this right. The Times sends reporters to Alaska, does extensive interviews, writes a story that is about how loved Sarah Palin is by 80 percent of Alaskans but also inventories her vendettas. All of this is sourced.

    And we should discount it cuz it's in the Times, right?

    As for your comments about the state of the newspaper business, what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Oh wait. Nothing. That's the point, isn't it?
  • GQjock

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    Sep 14, 2008 8:43 AM GMT
    But this kind of thing never gets to the cable news services and the talking heads...

    which is where most people here in the US get their information
    Readership of printed press is at an all time low

    and the Adage of ... it didn't happen unless it's on television is really true
    when it comes to middle America
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    Sep 14, 2008 3:43 PM GMT
    So many threads, so little time...

    But this just in:

    Palin's handlers are now "respinning" her "countries visited" list. Turns out that Ireland, previously listed by official Palin spokeswoman, Maria Comella, was actually just a refueling stop on her way to/from Kuwait.

    Also, turns out her previously touted trip to an "Iraqi war zone" (touted by her own spokespeople), was, in fact, "a military outpost on the other side of the Kuwait-Iraq border."

    Oh, and the governor's personal chef that "she got rid of," which was one of her big applause lines at the convention? Still on the state payroll, but now a chef of the legislative branch.

    But in classic Republican Robot style, she's still using the "got rid of the chef" line in her stump speeches, along with "getting rid of the bridge to nowhere" (which she supported while running for governor, turning against it only when it became a laughingstock, and kept all the federal money for), and "putting the plane on ebay" (when the plane never sold on eBay, but was dumped at at $600K loss in a rushed conventional sale).

    Again: facts don't matter. Repetition is everything. And it's working. She's drawing thousands, and they all cheer at all her robotically repeated applause lines.

    But on a positive note... at least the press seems to be slowly waking from its idiotic coverage of her hairdo, glasses, and kid's pregnancies.

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    Sep 14, 2008 3:46 PM GMT
    You beat me to posting this OW!

    If only McCain had done as thorough a job vetting Palin as the Times...
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    Sep 14, 2008 3:49 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidIf only McCain had done as thorough a job vetting Palin as the Times...


    Oh no, Mr. Zombie. This is MUCH more fun this way. We're going to see an 8 week long train wreck.

    Peggy Noonan had it right.

    Gosh, this is the best election EVER!


  • BizzQuik

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    Sep 14, 2008 3:58 PM GMT
    Thanks for posting this. I have one class where it seems daily we are now reading another story about Palin. I am happy to see we are starting to learn who she is and I for one would not want her a heartbeat away from running our country.
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    Sep 14, 2008 4:01 PM GMT
    iguanaSF saidOh no, Mr. Zombie. This is MUCH more fun this way. We're going to see an 8 week long train wreck.

    Peggy Noonan had it right.

    Gosh, this is the best election EVER!




    I mean, ya. It is kinda great that McCain's VP choice is a train wreck in slow motion. But it is also sad that our politics are such that he would make such a choice. Sort of like Caligula wanting to making his favorite horse a Consul.
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    Sep 14, 2008 5:23 PM GMT
    So she governs like George Bush, only prettier, smarter and more articulate! I still think troopergate may be her undoing, or at least whatever the outcome it's not going to put the Palins in a pretty light.

    McCain really didn't vet her all that well, or at least think through all the ramifications of things. McCain's worked for years building capital as a clean, honest politician and now he's risking burning through all that by being attached to her.
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    Sep 14, 2008 6:23 PM GMT
    Frank Rich of the NY Times sums it all up today. Last three grafs:

    "But Obama’s most important tactic is still the one he has the most trouble executing. He must convey a roll-up-your-sleeves Bobby Kennedy passion for the economic crises that are at the heart of the fears that Palin is trying to exploit. The Republican ticket offers no answers to those anxieties. Drilling isn’t going to lower gas prices or speed energy independence. An increase in corporate tax breaks isn’t going to end income inequality, provide health care or save American jobs in a Palin presidency any more than they did in a Bush presidency.

    This election is still about the fierce urgency of change before it’s too late. But in framing this debate, it isn’t enough for Obama to keep presenting McCain as simply a third Bush term. Any invocation of the despised president — like Iraq — invites voters to stop listening. Meanwhile, before our eyes, McCain is turning over the keys to his administration to ideologues and a running mate to Bush’s right.

    As Republicans know best, fear does work. If Obama is to convey just what’s at stake, he must slice through the campaign’s lipstick jungle and show Americans the real perils that lie around the bend."

    Column is here:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14rich.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp
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    Sep 14, 2008 7:34 PM GMT
    obscenewish said, "Frank Rich of the NY Times sums it all up today. Last three grafs:

    'But Obama’s most important tactic is still the one he has the most trouble executing. He must convey a roll-up-your-sleeves Bobby Kennedy passion for the economic crises that are at the heart of the fears that Palin is trying to exploit. The Republican ticket offers no answers to those anxieties. Drilling isn’t going to lower gas prices or speed energy independence. An increase in corporate tax breaks isn’t going to end income inequality, provide health care or save American jobs in a Palin presidency any more than they did in a Bush presidency.

    This election is still about the fierce urgency of change before it’s too late. But in framing this debate, it isn’t enough for Obama to keep presenting McCain as simply a third Bush term. Any invocation of the despised president — like Iraq — invites voters to stop listening. Meanwhile, before our eyes, McCain is turning over the keys to his administration to ideologues and a running mate to Bush’s right.

    As Republicans know best, fear does work. If Obama is to convey just what’s at stake, he must slice through the campaign’s lipstick jungle and show Americans the real perils that lie around the bend.'

    Column is here:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14rich.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp"


    Absolutely right on! The biggest disappointment I'm having with Obama at the moment is that he knows so well how to win the Democrats favor, but he can't defeat the Republican's efforts that are clearly way behind the power curve of today's real issues. He needs to backwards plan, from Election Day, a clear strategy, including the debates, and start putting McCain and the Republicans on the defensive of those critical issues that matter most. Stating contrasts aren't enough. Put the fear where it belongs - on the Republican points of view.
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    Sep 14, 2008 7:49 PM GMT
    Yep, he's playing an entirely defensive game right now.
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    Sep 14, 2008 7:57 PM GMT
    Glenn Greenwald answers Krauthammer's critique re the Bush Doctrine and takes up the "experience" issue with both Obama and Palin. A couple of grafs:

    "Personally, I'm not particularly bothered by Palin's so-called "lack of experience." I considered the fact that Obama hadn't spent large amounts of time enmeshed in our horrific Washington Establishment to be one of the strengths of his candidacy, and I largely view Palin's lack of Washington experience the same way. The difference isn't their "experience," but the fact that one has had almost two full years to judge Obama's views, positions, approaches, thought-processes and capacity for judgment as he's been subjected to the glaring scrutiny of the campaign, and a complete picture of Obama, for better or worse, has emerged.

    "By stark contrast, Palin is a blank slate -- not just in terms of what we know about her, but worse, in terms of what her beliefs are. Outside of a few discrete issues of interest to her (drilling for oil and opposition to environmentalism), and aside from some deep religious fervor and trite right-wing slogans that have been implanted in her brain during these last several weeks, she doesn't really appear to have any actual thoughts about most political matters. As John Cole put it: "Sarah Palin is the distilled essence of wingnut. She has it all. She is dishonest. She is a religious nut. She is incurious. She is anti-science. She is inexperienced. She abuses her authority. She hides behind executive privilege. She is a big spender. She works from the gut and places a greater value on instinct than knowledge."

    A link to the whole column, a must-read, is below. And, please, read it for its factual content:

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/14/bush_doctrine/index.html
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    Sep 14, 2008 9:00 PM GMT
    Yes, Salon.com is where one goes to get unfettered news in this country..

    So, since we are paying attention to everyone, please, more on:
    Reverend Wright
    William Aires
    Tony Rezko
    Louis Farrakhan
    Chicago political machine
    The list can go on

    If the press were doing it's job, we would not have any of these dolts here.
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    Sep 14, 2008 9:10 PM GMT
    Careful, I think you just said Palin was a dolt.

    ;)

    I think I'm going to print the following and put it in my pocket, behind my ever-present flag pin, just like the Contract on... I mean With America.

    Distilled essence of wingnut:

    Dishonest.
    Religious nut.
    Incurious.
    Anti-science.
    Inexperienced.
    Abuses authority.
    Hides behind executive privilege.
    Big spender.
    Works from the gut and places a greater value on instinct than knowledge.

    Gee, that list somehow sounds strangely familiar...

    *strokes chin*

    I'll add a couple of my own:

    Never asks questions.
    Never admits mistakes.



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    Sep 15, 2008 12:17 AM GMT
    plowmyground saidYes, Salon.com is where one goes to get unfettered news in this country..

    So, since we are paying attention to everyone, please, more on:
    Reverend Wright
    William Aires
    Tony Rezko
    Louis Farrakhan
    Chicago political machine
    The list can go on

    If the press were doing it's job, we would not have any of these dolts here.

    You don't read anything that challenges your own point of view, do you? You wouldn't read the NY Times piece, which acknowledged Palin's popularity, and you won't read Greenwald's piece which actually minimalizes the importance of the business about the "Bush Doctrine" while raising some other questions.

    In other words you won't even read material that agrees with you IN PART. It must totally agree with you.

    Willful, arrogant ignorance.
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    Sep 15, 2008 12:31 AM GMT
    obscenewish saidWillful, arrogant ignorance.
    Above all things, don't forget the fear factor