White House declines to condemn union violence in Michigan

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    Dec 12, 2012 4:24 PM GMT
    Does Michigan have stand your ground legislation for gun use?

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/11/white-house-declines-to-condemn-union-violence-in-michigan/
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    Dec 12, 2012 4:26 PM GMT
    Reward offered for union thug:
    http://danaloeschradio.com/donors-offers-for-info-leading-to-arrest-of-union-thug/
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    Dec 12, 2012 4:27 PM GMT
    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/most-chilling-michigan-video-there-are-people-under-there-oh-my-god/

    “There are people under there, oh my God”

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    Dec 12, 2012 4:31 PM GMT
    "Jimmy Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said Tuesday he expects Michigan unions and lawmakers to break out into "civil war" after the state legislature passed right-to-work bills that would weaken unions' power."

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/11/hoffa-predicts-civil-war-in-michigan/
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    Dec 12, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    I would think the White House would condemn a lame duck session of the Michigan legislature passing a law without public comment allowed at all. Why do right wingers hate public discourse? What do you think they are afraid of?
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    Dec 12, 2012 4:36 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidI would think the White House would condemn a lame duck session of the Michigan legislature passing a law without public comment allowed at all. Why do right wingers hate public discourse? What do you think they are afraid of?


    There was plenty of public discourse in the last election with the two ballot measures that failed spectacularly despite the fact that Obama had a 10% margin in Michigan. Why do left wingers accept violence despite the fact they lost big at the polls when it came to the legislation they supported?
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    Dec 12, 2012 4:43 PM GMT
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-right-20121212,0,6539903.story

    In 2010, Michigan citizens fed up with spending and debt handed total control of state government to Republicans. When Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker succeeded in restricting collective bargaining for most public employees, Michigan's Snyder said a push for right-to-work legislation wasn't on his agenda. Too divisive.

    In this year's election, though, unions in Michigan overreached. They aggressively promoted Proposal 2, a ballot measure that would have given public and private workers a constitutional right to organize and bargain — but also would have nullified current or future laws limiting that ability to organize and bargain. President Barack Obama defeated Mitt Romney in Romney's native Michigan by nearly 10 points, 54.3 percent to 44.8 percent. But the same voters crushed Proposal 2, 57.4 percent to 42.6 percent, and left Lansing in Republican hands. After the election, The Detroit News editorialized, "The defeat of Prop 2, an audacious bid for union power that sought to forever ban right-to-work legislation, may prompt labor opponents to push for just such a bill."

    That's precisely what happened. Proponents cited evidence, including from Indiana, that right-to-work states have faster job growth. We've read decades of these studies, and have reached a conclusion: You can twist data to prove beyond doubt that right-to-work legislation helps — or hurts — a state's economy and workforce. Decide which truth you want. You'll find it.
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    Dec 12, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    http://triblive.com/opinion/editorials/3115606-74/states-michigan-law#axzz2EqTqIWXe

    The most shocking thing about Michigan‘s right-to-work law isn‘t the law itself but the outright lies the Obama administration, led by the president himself, has been telling about it.

    The new law ends the days when organized labor can force you to join a union as a condition of employment, shake you down for the “privilege” — unions call this “paying dues” — then essentially grease the palms of their favorite pols in self-dealing tributes to power preservation. So much for freedom of association. The Great Lakes State is the 24th to avail itself of this provision of 1947‘s Taft-Hartley Act.

    But President Obama, ever the demagogue of dishonesty, took to the stump Monday in Redford, Mich., claiming the measure takes “away your right to bargain for better wages and working conditions.” That‘s a shameful lie from a shameless president who regularly affirms his shamelessness with such deceit.
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    Dec 12, 2012 4:46 PM GMT
    And for what? the reality of the supposed "free rider" problem?

    http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/18017

    According to union documents, "representational activities" (money spent on bargaining contracts for members) made up only 11 percent of total spending for the union. Meanwhile, spending on “general overhead” (union administration and employee benefits) comprised of 61 percent of the total spending.

    So MEA members who disagree with the leadership of the union are paying up to 90 percent of their dues, but the union is only spending about a tenth of the dues money representing them.
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    Dec 12, 2012 4:52 PM GMT
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/union-thugs-use-punches-not-persuasion-in-michigan/article/2515686
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    Dec 12, 2012 9:03 PM GMT
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-12/unions-begin-long-war-after-stunning-blow-in-michigan.html

    Labor has two options now that its ability to extract mandatory dues from workers as a condition for employment is gone. It can fight the law or try to persuade workers to voluntarily pay up. Union bosses aren’t accustomed to the second approach, so until the next elections in 2014 they can be expected to try everything to overturn the law and to stop the right-to-work fever from spreading to neighboring states
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    Dec 12, 2012 9:12 PM GMT
    Keep talking to yourself honey, cause it really helps your cause when you appear to be a complete and total retard, that has certainly worked for your role model, one Sarah Palin, right?
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    Dec 12, 2012 9:31 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidKeep talking to yourself honey, cause it really helps your cause when you appear to be a complete and total retard, that has certainly worked for your role model, one Sarah Palin, right?


    "Retard"? Really? Maybe you should learn from Ann Coulter:
    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/25/ann-coulter-continues-to-use-offensive-term-ret/190939
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    Dec 13, 2012 5:30 AM GMT
    When democratic processes are set aside for the benefit of the ideologically rich, violence is the likely consequence.

    Of course, the "attack" on Steven Crowder has already been debunked as yet another right-wing selective editing con job. It's just predictable at this point. Send "correspondent" (re: failed comedian) to controversial site, have producers off camera incite violence and then edit the resulting footage to smear the people protesting. Then 24-48 hours later the full video hits and the jig is up and only the rubes like riddler are screeching about it. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 13, 2012 5:54 AM GMT
    It's only a matter of time before the entire Republican mindset is outlawed, as it should be.

    Let the violence continue. It's working toward its intended goal.
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    Dec 13, 2012 11:15 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidIt's only a matter of time before the entire Republican mindset is outlawed, as it should be.

    Let the violence continue. It's working toward its intended goal.


    You'd feel right at home with the Nazis, wouldn't you?
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    Dec 13, 2012 12:02 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidWhen democratic processes are set aside for the benefit of the ideologically rich, violence is the likely consequence.

    Of course, the "attack" on Steven Crowder has already been debunked as yet another right-wing selective editing con job. It's just predictable at this point. Send "correspondent" (re: failed comedian) to controversial site, have producers off camera incite violence and then edit the resulting footage to smear the people protesting. Then 24-48 hours later the full video hits and the jig is up and only the rubes like riddler are screeching about it. icon_lol.gif


    Yep - completely fabricated.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2012/12/12/duers-claim-steven-crowder-caused-michigan-union-violence

    You apparently have no shame. Incite violence? Ah so you mean even the attack on the tent was fabricated? Sorry, by your logic, those who want to keep the property they own and earn should be allowed to riot against those who want to take it.
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    Dec 13, 2012 12:03 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidIt's only a matter of time before the entire Republican mindset is outlawed, as it should be.

    Let the violence continue. It's working toward its intended goal.


    You'd feel right at home with the Nazis, wouldn't you?


    Violence for these people are apparently only objectionable when they're done by the other side. Too bad they don't know how to be peaceful and courteous like, dare I say it, the tea partiers...
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    Dec 13, 2012 1:13 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidWhen democratic processes are set aside for the benefit of the ideologically rich, violence is the likely consequence.

    Of course, the "attack" on Steven Crowder has already been debunked as yet another right-wing selective editing con job. It's just predictable at this point. Send "correspondent" (re: failed comedian) to controversial site, have producers off camera incite violence and then edit the resulting footage to smear the people protesting. Then 24-48 hours later the full video hits and the jig is up and only the rubes like riddler are screeching about it. icon_lol.gif


    Yep - completely fabricated.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2012/12/12/duers-claim-steven-crowder-caused-michigan-union-violence

    You apparently have no shame. Incite violence? Ah so you mean even the attack on the tent was fabricated? Sorry, by your logic, those who want to keep the property they own and earn should be allowed to riot against those who want to take it.


    Given the track record of Fox News and the Brietbart wing of the GOP, why would anyone believe anything they claim?

    And Newsbusters is the most ridiculous sort of propaganda outlet, pushing the false claims of the GOP.

    But you are right. I don't have any shame when it comes to workers standing up for their rights against oligarchs who want to suspend democracy in order to advance their predatory form of capitalism.

    In general, I don't condone violence but when citizens are denied the ability to work through democratic channels, it's understandable that the frustration can boil over, particularly when a propaganda outlet like Fox plants agent provocateurs to inflame the situation.
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    Dec 13, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
    Apparently there are a number of union members there who are also racists. But according to some here, all these guys are doing are exercising their frustration. Which is of course sort of like blaming Johnson for beating your gf/bf.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/the-racial-slurs-the-msm-doesnt-want-to-cover/
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    Dec 14, 2012 2:03 PM GMT
    "Politico, Daily Kos Upset ‘Fox News-Breitbart Crowd’ Gaining Influence."

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