Epigenetic basis of homosexuality

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    Dec 13, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
    Do you agree with this?


    http://www.towleroad.com/2012/12/group-of-scientists-believe-they-have-unlocked-hereditary-question-of-why-people-are-gay.html
  • dc415

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    Dec 13, 2012 3:47 AM GMT
    the whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.
  • spaceofficer

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    Dec 13, 2012 4:02 AM GMT
    dc415 saidthe whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.

    no actually it is very true, the ying and yang energies are not literal female and male but the energy put into someones being changes their shape geometrically. This is science not just saying something that sounds right. Both men and women share male and female qualities in every area and most people in general and 90% left brained and that is why people cannot agree on nothing when there are an abundant amount things to agree on. Sexually dwells in the root chakra where sexual and spiritual desire comes from. so just speculating this generation we see a rise in dis-functioning root charaks and people unsure of themselves. it has to be looked at because if it is unhealthy for mankind maybe it needs to be looked at.
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    Dec 13, 2012 4:13 AM GMT
    the epigenetics idea is a good one, but then they resort to the hackneyed "testosterone exposure in the womb" argument, in this case saying epigenetic modification affects sensitivity to testosterone. It's a cop out. Also, the epigenetics idea hasn't been tested.
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    Dec 13, 2012 4:13 AM GMT
    godandsatan said
    dc415 saidthe whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.

    no actually it is very true, the ying and yang energies are not literal female and male but the energy put into someones being changes their shape geometrically.


    What does this mean?
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    Dec 13, 2012 5:50 AM GMT
    swimguychicago said
    godandsatan said
    dc415 saidthe whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.

    no actually it is very true, the ying and yang energies are not literal female and male but the energy put into someones being changes their shape geometrically.


    What does this mean?


    it means don't listen to him
  • calibro

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    Dec 13, 2012 5:51 AM GMT
    dc415 saidthe whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.


    it actually has nothing to do with that. this is the problem with asking people stuff. just people can form an opinion doesn't mean you have any business doing so. if you can't understand the science, keep your mouth closed.
  • disasterpiece

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    Dec 13, 2012 5:52 AM GMT
    Cool story bro.

    Now can we find a cure to cancer, plz ?
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    Dec 13, 2012 6:05 AM GMT
    I just masturbated with pickle relish.
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    Dec 13, 2012 6:17 AM GMT
    Disasterpiece saidCool story bro.

    Now can we find a cure to cancer, plz ?

    Actually they are on the verge ... the mutated the HIV virus then injected it into this girl that had Lukemea and the girl was cured ... they are doing a study on it ... some people's cancer got cured, but they are not sure why some others were not cured.

    Here's a link to the video:
    http://www.coshoctontribune.com/article/20121212/NEWS01/312120024/1006/RSS02
  • agro

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    Dec 13, 2012 6:46 AM GMT
    godandsatan said
    dc415 saidthe whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.

    no actually it is very true, the ying and yang energies are not literal female and male but the energy put into someones being changes their shape geometrically. This is science not just saying something that sounds right. Both men and women share male and female qualities in every area and most people in general and 90% left brained and that is why people cannot agree on nothing when there are an abundant amount things to agree on. Sexually dwells in the root chakra where sexual and spiritual desire comes from. so just speculating this generation we see a rise in dis-functioning root charaks and people unsure of themselves. it has to be looked at because if it is unhealthy for mankind maybe it needs to be looked at.


    what the fuck did i just read
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    Dec 13, 2012 7:02 AM GMT
    Scary to think that gay is a predictable condition or feature......and that some dreamer out there is gonna look for a "cure"......ever watch The X-men movie where a "cure" for the "mutants" was discovered? "Designer babies" is just a step too far into Hitler's "Aryan Race" of perfect people.......icon_eek.gif
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    Dec 13, 2012 9:29 AM GMT
    dc415 saidthe whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.


    You completely misunderstand what they mean my feminization and masculinization. They are not saying little gay boys act like girls and little lesbians are butch. This is not about behavior. They are simply stating that this particular epigenetic mark can cause a noticeable change in a fetus's exposure to testosterone levels in utero. In fact, this is truly just one theory they have yet to prove but is the most likely scenario at present.
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    Dec 13, 2012 9:54 AM GMT
    Disasterpiece saidCool story bro.

    Now can we find a cure to cancer, plz ?


    for real.
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    Dec 13, 2012 9:55 AM GMT
    "Evolutionarily speaking, if homosexuality was solely a genetic trait, scientists would expect the trait to eventually disappear because homosexuals wouldn't be expected to reproduce."

    Really? icon_rolleyes.gif Homosexuality could be a gene that is carried by people who are heterosexual. That is part of the whole idea of a gay gene. Not that homosexuality exists because of gay people reproducing.

    "These epi-marks protect fathers and mothers from excess or underexposure to testosterone — when they carry over to opposite-sex offspring, it can cause the masculinization of females or the feminization of males," Rice says, which can lead to a child becoming gay. Rice notes that these markers are "highly variable" and that only strong epi-marks will result in a homosexual offspring."

    I am not comfortable with the idea that homosexuality results from "feminization" of males or "masculinization" of females. I don't believe that is the cause of homosexuality. It may be the cause of things like intersexed people ("hermaphrodites"), which is clearly very different. If a gay man is born appearing to be a normal male, and develops as a normal male, and has masculine features, a masculine body, normal genital development....how can one think that this type of person is the result of "feminization" in the womb?
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    Dec 13, 2012 10:04 AM GMT
    We shouldn't care why people are gay.

    Clearly, even if homosexuality is proven to be genetic, or caused by something happening in the womb, that won't stop homophobia.

    I mean, it's not like people have been ever hated due to genetic differences. /sarcasm
  • groundcombat

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    Dec 13, 2012 6:23 PM GMT
    Apex0111 said
    dc415 saidthe whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.


    You completely misunderstand what they mean my feminization and masculinization. They are not saying little gay boys act like girls and little lesbians are butch. This is not about behavior. They are simply stating that this particular epigenetic mark can cause a noticeable change in a fetus's exposure to testosterone levels in utero. In fact, this is truly just one theory they have yet to prove but is the most likely scenario at present.


    So homosexuality is based on varying testosterone levels? What about all the juiced circuit queens taking test supplements? Do they become straight because of the added test?
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    Dec 13, 2012 6:28 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI just masturbated with pickle relish.

    suddenly I wanna hotdog.
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    Dec 13, 2012 6:58 PM GMT
    groundcombat said
    Apex0111 said
    dc415 saidthe whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.


    You completely misunderstand what they mean my feminization and masculinization. They are not saying little gay boys act like girls and little lesbians are butch. This is not about behavior. They are simply stating that this particular epigenetic mark can cause a noticeable change in a fetus's exposure to testosterone levels in utero. In fact, this is truly just one theory they have yet to prove but is the most likely scenario at present.


    So homosexuality is based on varying testosterone levels? What about all the juiced circuit queens taking test supplements? Do they become straight because of the added test?


    I think you focused on my statement that it's "the most likely scenario at present." I was not claiming testosterone levels (nor where the scientists) are the sole factor in determining hetero/homosexuality. The scientists have found evidence to negate the idea of a gay gene - through epigenetic markers. They have theorized based on mathematical modeling homosexuality is not genetically inherited but could be due, in part, to the effects of epi-marks.

    "We've found a story that looks really good. There's more verification needed, but we point out how we can easily do epigenetic profiles genome-wide. We predict where the epi-marks occur, we just need other studies to look at it empirically."

    So to answer your questions. No homosexuality is not based solely on testosterone levels. And those juicers (or even guys with low T) are fine. Have you heard of spontaneous homosexuality in those groups? I haven't. That would be interesting to observe though!
  • Medjai

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    Dec 13, 2012 7:10 PM GMT
    godandsatan said
    dc415 saidthe whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.

    no actually it is very true, the ying and yang energies are not literal female and male but the energy put into someones being changes their shape geometrically. This is science not just saying something that sounds right. Both men and women share male and female qualities in every area and most people in general and 90% left brained and that is why people cannot agree on nothing when there are an abundant amount things to agree on. Sexually dwells in the root chakra where sexual and spiritual desire comes from. so just speculating this generation we see a rise in dis-functioning root charaks and people unsure of themselves. it has to be looked at because if it is unhealthy for mankind maybe it needs to be looked at.


    Please take your pseudointellectual religious mumbo jumbo out of this scientific discussion.

    I just want to make a comment on semantics in this thread. There is an awful lot of use of the word 'theory' here. Since this a scientific theme, the word 'hypothesis' would be a lot more accurate and would avoid a lot of confusion.
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    Medjai said
    godandsatan said
    dc415 said

    I just want to make a comment on semantics in this thread. There is an awful lot of use of the word 'theory' here. Since this a scientific theme, the word 'hypothesis' would be a lot more accurate and would avoid a lot of confusion.


    Exactly!
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    Dec 14, 2012 5:39 AM GMT
    Well I'm sure my Dad would be happy to blame all of this on my Mom. icon_neutral.gif
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    agro said
    godandsatan said
    dc415 saidthe whole thing seems to be based on the idea that gay men are feminine and lesbians are masculine. this sounds like complete and utter crap to me.

    no actually it is very true, the ying and yang energies are not literal female and male but the energy put into someones being changes their shape geometrically. This is science not just saying something that sounds right. Both men and women share male and female qualities in every area and most people in general and 90% left brained and that is why people cannot agree on nothing when there are an abundant amount things to agree on. Sexually dwells in the root chakra where sexual and spiritual desire comes from. so just speculating this generation we see a rise in dis-functioning root charaks and people unsure of themselves. it has to be looked at because if it is unhealthy for mankind maybe it needs to be looked at.


    what the fuck did i just read


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