New York Times just described me when talking about Adam Lanza...

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    Dec 15, 2012 4:01 AM GMT
    I felt like I had to share this and put this ... somewhere since I'm really not sure what to think.

    A Gunman, Recalled as Intelligent and Shy, Who Left Few Footprints in Life

    He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.

    Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.

    He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.


    Reading this, I HONESTLY have no idea what to feel. It's all so familiar. It's like I'm reading an article about myself. Only without the shooting part and small things like not appearing the yearbook.
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    Dec 15, 2012 5:29 AM GMT
    This is not something I would point out. Psycho.
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    Dec 15, 2012 5:50 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidThis is not something I would point out. Psycho.

    No, I suppose not.

    But if this is how other people perceive me - to be this awkward fool who might murder a lot of people - it really doesn't make a difference. But it's also distressing that now a guy like me is automatically going to be that "watch out. That kid is going to murder a bunch of people one day. Watch." icon_sad.gif

    (I won't EVER but this sort of reporting isn't going to help me in the friendship making business)
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    Dec 15, 2012 6:08 AM GMT
    I can kinda see what you mean. Most of the description used kinda describes a shy socially awkward nerd.

    The unfortunate truth is that most guys act completely fine in life, then they snap. People just remember them as acting different because that's all that makes them seem weird, and people can't comprehend the idea of a normal person doing horrible things. Obviously this isn't true in all cases. The fact is, every case is different.

    I agree that typecasting people is never good.
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    Dec 15, 2012 6:18 AM GMT
    IceBuckets saidI felt like I had to share this and put this ... somewhere since I'm really not sure what to think.

    A Gunman, Recalled as Intelligent and Shy, Who Left Few Footprints in Life

    He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.

    Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.

    He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.

    Reading this, I HONESTLY have no idea what to feel. It's all so familiar. It's like I'm reading an article about myself. Only without the shooting part and small things like not appearing the yearbook.


    It could describe me, too. Good thing there's the bolded sections above to make it not me...
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 15, 2012 6:33 AM GMT
    There has been no personality trait that depicts who is likely to kill or not kill. Remember Timothy McVeigh that bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City? He killed 168 people, including 19 children and he wasn't anything like this guy.
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    Dec 15, 2012 6:45 AM GMT
    Well you just made a topic about yourself so that's not "[doing] all he could to avoid attention".
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    Dec 15, 2012 6:48 AM GMT
    Well, once again they'll probably divert the outrage into banning nerds instead of banning guns. It's easer, and they're doing it anyway.
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    Dec 15, 2012 6:52 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidWell, once again they'll probably divert the outrage into banning nerds instead of banning guns. It's easer, and they're doing it anyway.


    Perceptive and sadly true.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 15, 2012 6:54 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidWell, once again they'll probably divert the outrage into banning nerds instead of banning guns. It's easer, and they're doing it anyway.

    If it's not guns, then it is bombs, so what is the point? Just let the criminals buy illegal guns and leave everyone else with the inability to protect themselves? I don't own a gun, nor do I ever have intention of ever owning one, but banning guns is just plain fucking stupid. Now rapid fire assault weapons, that's a different thing, but how the do plan to get rid of the ones that are already out there ... it would take hundred years and you'd still never find them all.
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    Dec 15, 2012 7:00 AM GMT
    I thought nerd chic was kinda popular these days. And who is going to propose banning nerds when they are going postal like this?

    We're almost at the point where you can create a gun with a 3D printer or build your own unmanned drone. Gun laws are almost an anachronism at this point - especially when there's a few hundred million guns in the US.

    We haven't heard enough about his life story but so far it seems like he never related to the people around him. Pretty unfortunate considering that his mother had a career in child development. Sadness. icon_cry.gif
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 15, 2012 7:04 AM GMT
    In the olden days everyone carried a gun and everyone was hospitable and kind to each other. People didn't even ever have to lock the door to their houses. No a day when very few carry guns, everyone rude and hateful to each other and they have to lock every thing up tight. ... no correlation ... but just pointing out an observation
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    Dec 15, 2012 7:10 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    mindgarden saidWell, once again they'll probably divert the outrage into banning nerds instead of banning guns. It's easer, and they're doing it anyway.

    If it's not guns, then it is bombs, so what is the point? Just let the criminals buy illegal guns and leave everyone else with the inability to protect themselves? I don't own a gun, nor do I ever have intention of ever owning one, but banning guns is just plain fucking stupid. Now rapid fire assault weapons, that's a different thing, but how the do plan to get rid of the ones that are already out there ... it would take hundred years and you'd still never find them all.


    Are you familiar with gun homicides in Western European countries? Familiarize yourself with them and with their laws before you pass off insane, cavalier, Republican talking points in a public forum.

    You should be ashamed. You're on the internet douchebag. Use it to educate yourself.

  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 15, 2012 7:32 AM GMT
    Another_Jeremy said
    AMoonHawk said
    mindgarden saidWell, once again they'll probably divert the outrage into banning nerds instead of banning guns. It's easer, and they're doing it anyway.

    If it's not guns, then it is bombs, so what is the point? Just let the criminals buy illegal guns and leave everyone else with the inability to protect themselves? I don't own a gun, nor do I ever have intention of ever owning one, but banning guns is just plain fucking stupid. Now rapid fire assault weapons, that's a different thing, but how the do plan to get rid of the ones that are already out there ... it would take hundred years and you'd still never find them all.


    Are you familiar with gun homicides in Western European countries? Familiarize yourself with them and with their laws before you pass off insane, cavalier, Republican talking points in a public forum.

    You should be ashamed. You're on the internet douchebag. Use it to educate yourself.


    Don't call me a douchebag sarcastic 1 ... This is America not some third world country where they hack up your whole family with machetes ... what are you going to do when 3 Thugs break in your house and beat you to death ... nothing because you don't have a gun.
  • MikeW

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    Dec 15, 2012 7:48 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidIn the olden days everyone carried a gun and everyone was hospitable and kind to each other.

    False on both counts.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 15, 2012 7:52 AM GMT
    MikeW said
    AMoonHawk saidIn the olden days everyone carried a gun and everyone was hospitable and kind to each other.

    False on both counts.

    Maybe in your part of the country it was false.
  • MikeW

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    Dec 15, 2012 8:21 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    MikeW said
    AMoonHawk saidIn the olden days everyone carried a gun and everyone was hospitable and kind to each other.

    False on both counts.

    Maybe in your part of the country it was false.

    Come on, AMH, you know damn well that a) not everyone had a gun and b) not everyone was hospitable or kind. Some did, some din't; some were, some weren't. As it has always been and still remains.

    The difference between THEN and NOW is:

    1) Most every tragedy such as this gets reported almost as it is happening to a mass (indeed, planetary) audience. Thus if one person is violent somewhere in the world, it has the potential to affect the lives (if only momentarily) of hundreds of millions if not billions of people;

    2) The hundreds of millions of acts of kindness performed daily by random every day people almost NEVER get reported by anyone to anyone. (Today, I stopped a little old lady walking down the side walk with one shoe-lace untied. I was very concerned she might trip and fall. I asked her if she'd like me to tie her shoe for her and she said she would be very happy if I would. So I did. No big deal.);

    3) The *potential* for violence in the world has never been greater and that potential is primarily owned and metered out by the US Military, mostly to insure the profitability of its Wall Street investors. If there is another global war -- and there could very well be one when the rest of Earth's population finally realizes that our perpetual "War on of Terror" was a ruse to secure (mostly but not exclusively) hydrocarbon resources -- it could literally be over in a matter of hours. The clean up and rebuild, however, could take centuries. I'm sure the Red Shields are banking on it.

    4) It isn't weapons that make people either self reliant or hospitable or kind; it is the goodness that is in them. The psychopaths that rule this world know that, unlike themselves, the vast majority of human beings are good and kind natured. But the last thing they want is for us to have an accurate self-image and so they hold up the distortions they want us to see for everyone to see and everyone is predictably horrified, aggrieved and left once again with this distrust of their neighbor. All the while, the psychopaths suck their life blood and the life blood of their progeny day by day, hour by hour, moment by moment.

    The world is a mess because it is profitable for some for it to be that way.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 15, 2012 8:32 AM GMT
    Mike, there's actually no easy answer yet everyone is looking for one. Banning guns completely is also not the answer. Guns have also saved many families from intruders and break ins but we don't hear about those on the national news, like we hear about the tragedy.
  • MikeW

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    Dec 15, 2012 8:39 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidMike, there's actually no easy answer yet everyone is looking for one. Banning guns completely is also not the answer. Guns of also saved many families from intruders and break ins but we don't hear about those.

    Banning guns isn't going to happen regardless how many children get shot. It's sick but a fact.

    What gets my goat is people don't realize a) how much power they actually have to change the course of human events and b) what the true criminality that rules this world is doing to undermine everyone's quality of life day in and day out.

    Politically we (non 1%ers) are divided by THEM and given "issues" (everything from gun control to abortion to gay marriage to you name it) to squabble over. When what we should be doing is marching on Langly, Wall Street and Washington by the tens of millions, chopping off heads and shitting down throats.

  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 15, 2012 8:45 AM GMT
    MikeW said
    AMoonHawk saidMike, there's actually no easy answer yet everyone is looking for one. Banning guns completely is also not the answer. Guns of also saved many families from intruders and break ins but we don't hear about those.

    Banning guns isn't going to happen regardless how many children get shot. It's sick but a fact.

    What gets my goat is people don't realize a) how much power they actually have to change the course of human events and b) what the true criminality that rules this world is doing to undermine everyone's quality of life day in and day out.

    Politically we (non 1%ers) are divided by THEM and given "issues" (everything from gun control to abortion to gay marriage to you name it) to squabble over. When what we should be doing is marching on Langly, Wall Street and Washington by the tens of millions, chopping off heads and shitting down throats.


    LOL ... the media and the government are the gatekeepers they tell you what you should be concerned about and should think about. And big brother is watching everywhere.
  • MikeW

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    Dec 15, 2012 8:53 AM GMT
    BB doesn't give a fuck what we think, do or say so long as it doesn't become an actual threat to the PTB.

    This is as close to a manifesto as I've found.
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    Dec 15, 2012 3:55 PM GMT
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    jmusmc85 saidThis is not something I would point out. Psycho.

    No, I suppose not.

    But if this is how other people perceive me - to be this awkward fool who might murder a lot of people - it really doesn't make a difference. But it's also distressing that now a guy like me is automatically going to be that "watch out. That kid is going to murder a bunch of people one day. Watch." icon_sad.gif

    (I won't EVER but this sort of reporting isn't going to help me in the friendship making business)


    Kinda the same for me when I was in school. You poor thing, I know how you feel.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 15, 2012 4:12 PM GMT
    MikeW saidBB doesn't give a fuck what we think, do or say so long as it doesn't become an actual threat to the PTB.

    This is as close to a manifesto as I've found.

    I never said that BB cared what we think I said that they and the media are the gatekeepers. A gatekeeper is one who stands at the gate, and only lets through what they want to let through. So the media and the governement only let you know what they want you to know and in doing so, they are guiding what you think, believe in and are concerned about. The article was a bit long to read but I did scan through it. It has always been about absolute power. And in order to have absolute power you have to control the masses. And to control the masses you keep them in a state of paranoia (as the article very long-windedly states). And in doing so, the people become willing give up everything, including their rights, to believe they are doing so it in order to be safe.
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    Dec 15, 2012 5:14 PM GMT
    Hate to say it but thats exactly how geniuses start out. Exactly how they develop their genius for use is up to them though. You shouldn't compare yourself to him though as we dont know the real issue that led him to do those murders.
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    Dec 15, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
    IceBuckets saidI felt like I had to share this and put this ... somewhere since I'm really not sure what to think.

    A Gunman, Recalled as Intelligent and Shy, Who Left Few Footprints in Life

    He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.

    Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him.

    He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed.


    Reading this, I HONESTLY have no idea what to feel. It's all so familiar. It's like I'm reading an article about myself. Only without the shooting part and small things like not appearing the yearbook.


    Well couldn't this describe nearly any quiet or kid who didn't fit it in? Isn't it a tad inappropriate to insert yourself into this tradegy?