Neighbours with guns

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    Dec 15, 2012 7:55 PM GMT
    As a Canadian living next door to a country that keeps a lot of guns in their house, I've had to live with the reality that whenever the day comes that Canada is seen as an enemy rather than a friend those guns will be pointed at us.

    But that doesn't make me want to take up arms in a tit-for-tat kind of thinking. (And I'm thankful that it's damn hard to get a gun here.)

    Instead, I continue to be at home in a community where I don't live in daily paranoia of being shot or facing the horror of unconsolable blood-shed. We aren't a perfect people by any means; the Dec 6th Montréal shooting of women engineers by a military person is our call to sanity. However it's a severely constricted imperfection.

    So, I just don't get it when I read statistics like this:
    http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/12/15/galluppoll_custom-00ddd02d8ceeb75a9da776e02c1352aaea72d9ed-s4.gif
    (source: NPR Dec.15, 2012).

    Turn your swords into ploughshares, people -- the second amendment was merely a self-authorizing condition to allow a newly-found nation to form a defence force as necessary against a foreign nation (namely the British crown). It wasn't intended to be individualized in the twentieth century whereby people would look suspiciously at each other as potential enemies.

    The ability for a nation to be able to mint its own currency is also one of those types of instruments, but likewise it wouldn't intend for each citizen to start printing their own money.

    My heart goes out to the Americans who have been calling for gun-control and continue to work toward a better kind of America; as well as those who are so afraid of their neighbours that they live a barricaded life behind assault rifles and distrust.

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    Dec 15, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
    iracetris saidTurn your swords into ploughshares, people -- the second amendment was merely a self-authorizing condition to allow a newly-found nation to form a defence force as necessary against a foreign nation (namely the British crown). It wasn't intended to be individualized in the twentieth century whereby people would look suspiciously at each other as potential enemies.
    The ability for a nation to be able to mint its own currency is also one of those types of instruments, but likewise it wouldn't intend for each citizen to start printing their own money.
    EXACTLY.
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    Dec 15, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
    Why don't Canadians keep a lot of guns in their houses? Legislation? Or do they?
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    Dec 15, 2012 8:00 PM GMT
    eagermuscle saidWhy don't Canadians keep a lot of guns in their houses? Legislation? Or do they?
    We aren't fucking lunatics, that's why.
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    Dec 15, 2012 8:08 PM GMT
    More than one of my neighbors has semi-automatic weapons that they fire off on weekends. Mostly city people who have built mcmansions out in the woods. Some of them are only there on weekends. They think they're "in the wilderness" or something, but now there are probably 2 or 3 houses per square mile. Plenty of targets for those bullets to hit. I just hope they're firing down into a gully or something, but I have no idea. It's not unusual to hear 20 or 50 or 100 rounds go off. Sometimes in the middle of the night. It gives me the willies.
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    Dec 15, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
    I think this last election has shown that America is ready to make societal changes. Guns will probably be one of them.
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    Dec 15, 2012 10:52 PM GMT
    Seems to be a lot of gun threads at the moment..

    So let's clear something up here in this one again about Canadian gun ownership.

    Handguns are restricted weapons in Canada. You have to jump through an awful lot of hoops and background checks etc in order to purchase one legally but it is not impossible.

    Long guns aka rifles and shotguns are NOT illegal to own except for automatics.. On a per capita basis rifle and shotgun ownership is about on par with the US and possibly even higher. Since the 70's you do need to get an FAC certificate (firearms acquisition certificate) from the police department (background check, no criminal record) to present to the store before you can purchase it or ammunition. Other than that you're good to go. The fed govt instituted a Long gun Registry some 10 years ago, this was nothing more than a gun registry and very unpopular with rural Canadians seen as a money grab. . The current govt abolished it a few months ago.

    All guns in Canada have to be stored and transported in a locked/approved type gun safe and case. No more racks on the back of the pickup window.
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    Dec 16, 2012 12:06 AM GMT
    ^
    Thanks for proving that one can be informative without interjecting needless, tiresome anti-American or anti-Canadian sentiment. Though of course without that previous "lunacy" this thread would also die young.
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    Dec 16, 2012 12:14 AM GMT
    I was shot through the chest by a burglar - in my own house during a robbery. The guy was hopped up on PCP and was using a gun he obtained illegally. He also carried a knife to the robbery at our house, and later admitted he was prepared to use it if he didn't have the gun. I'm really lucky to be here. The bullet past my heart closely - instead of exploding it.

    Do I like or want a gun? No. Do I think there would have been a different outcome that day if I'd had my own gun? No. Maybe if I'd had a gun in my hand - loaded and ready - I could have defended myself and shot the burglar. Am I a fan of guns? No.

    Part of me thinks it would be great if all guns were made illegal and every gun was collected and melted down. Ask every gun collector to bring his guns down to a collection center - and surrender them. Every honest, law abiding guy would comply - albeit probably not happily. Can you guess what would happen next? Crooks, mentally ill freaks, druggies, burglars don't care about breaking laws. They don't obey the laws we have now. Why would they obey some new ones? Why would they bring their guns downtown and surrender them?

    Connecticut has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. In this instance they did not make a difference. Norway has strict gun control laws yet 69 children and young people were slaughtered there about two years ago by a mental case. What is the answer? I can't see that collecting the guns would be any more successful than rounding up the mentally ill and placing them somewhere. How would we do either of those things?

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    Dec 16, 2012 6:15 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidConnecticut has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. In this instance they did not make a difference. Norway has strict gun control laws yet 69 children and young people were slaughtered there about two years ago by a mental case. What is the answer? I can't see that collecting the guns would be any more successful than rounding up the mentally ill and placing them somewhere. How would we do either of those things?
    I dunno about Norway but Canada has 200 gun deaths on average per year, but the U.S. has almost 10,000 gun deaths on average per year.
    If you don't think there's a problem with guns in the U.S. compared to other countries you're flat out dumb.
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    Dec 16, 2012 6:19 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 said

    Connecticut has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. In this instance they did not make a difference. Norway has strict gun control laws yet 69 children and young people were slaughtered there about two years ago by a mental case. What is the answer? I can't see that collecting the guns would be any more successful than rounding up the mentally ill and placing them somewhere. How would we do either of those things?


    BINGO.

    Gun control doesn't alleviate the crime issue. In fact, it makes it worse.
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    Dec 16, 2012 7:42 PM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    Jockbod48 said

    Connecticut has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. In this instance they did not make a difference. Norway has strict gun control laws yet 69 children and young people were slaughtered there about two years ago by a mental case. What is the answer? I can't see that collecting the guns would be any more successful than rounding up the mentally ill and placing them somewhere. How would we do either of those things?


    BINGO.

    Gun control doesn't alleviate the crime issue. In fact, it makes it worse.


    Evidence?
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    Dec 18, 2012 2:50 AM GMT
    I don' have a handgun, but am thinking of buying one. There are just too many incidents where armed thugs break into occupied houses at night to rob (and perhaps rape women). I read there was one in San Francisco this morning (where I visit) and a couple incidents last week in Oakland, California . Actually, a shotgun by the bedside is much better than any handgun. Hard to miss the intruder with a shotgun, even in the dark. Thankfully, I don't know of any state (possibly Washington DC ? ) where it is illegal to have a shotgun.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:20 AM GMT
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    libertpaulian said
    Jockbod48 said

    Connecticut has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. In this instance they did not make a difference. Norway has strict gun control laws yet 69 children and young people were slaughtered there about two years ago by a mental case. What is the answer? I can't see that collecting the guns would be any more successful than rounding up the mentally ill and placing them somewhere. How would we do either of those things?


    BINGO.

    Gun control doesn't alleviate the crime issue. In fact, it makes it worse.


    Evidence?


    street crime and mass murder are really 2 different problems.

    But i think the point he was making was that the highly populated areas and zones with the highest gun-laws have high deathrates from gun related crimes

    The two polar opposites , the group that want to own bazookas and rpg's and the other group that feel we should emulate the UK need to sit this one out.

    Personally I believe its compatible with the 2nd amendment to allow people to personally own a gun. But if they transfer it to another person they have responsibility. in what happens with that gun. This where a law regulated sale of guns with required background check. If you smith your own gun you don't need a background check.
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    Dec 18, 2012 5:15 AM GMT
    Puppenjunge saidI don' have a handgun, but am thinking of buying one. There are just too many incidents where armed thugs break into occupied houses at night to rob (and perhaps rape women). I read there was one in San Francisco this morning (where I visit) and a couple incidents last week in Oakland, California . Actually, a shotgun by the bedside is much better than any handgun. Hard to miss the intruder with a shotgun, even in the dark. Thankfully, I don't know of any state (possibly Washington DC ? ) where it is illegal to have a shotgun.


    You're better off NOT owning a gun, if you want better odds at not getting shot:

    http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2009/09/gun-possession-safety/PHILADELPHIA – In a first-of its-kind study, epidemiologists at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine found that, on average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. The study estimated that people with a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not possessing a gun.

    The study was released online this month in the American Journal of Public Health, in advance of print publication in November 2009.
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    Dec 18, 2012 8:30 AM GMT
    I exercise my "right to bear arms" daily. Sometimes I even flex them to show off for the straight boys. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 18, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    Puppenjunge saidI don' have a handgun, but am thinking of buying one. There are just too many incidents where armed thugs break into occupied houses at night to rob (and perhaps rape women). I read there was one in San Francisco this morning (where I visit) and a couple incidents last week in Oakland, California . Actually, a shotgun by the bedside is much better than any handgun. Hard to miss the intruder with a shotgun, even in the dark. Thankfully, I don't know of any state (possibly Washington DC ? ) where it is illegal to have a shotgun.


    You're better off NOT owning a gun, if you want better odds at not getting shot:

    http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2009/09/gun-possession-safety/PHILADELPHIA – In a first-of its-kind study, epidemiologists at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine found that, on average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. The study estimated that people with a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not possessing a gun.

    The study was released online this month in the American Journal of Public Health, in advance of print publication in November 2009.
    This study only covered people who had a handgun on their person, in their car, etc, and were assaulted - like in a robbery. Did not cover people with guns in their houses to deal with burglars and other home invaders. True, having a handgun in your waistband is not likely to protect you when someone sneaks up and robs you on the street. Having one where you can reach it your house (if you know how to use it and you are a good shot - which I am ) will.
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    Dec 18, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI exercise my "right to bear arms" daily. Sometimes I even flex them to show off for the straight boys. icon_biggrin.gif
    Pics! Pics! How about a video here of your flexing for us not very straight boys (well, men).