Same-Sex Army Wife 'Banned' From Fort Bragg Spouses Club

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    Dec 16, 2012 1:45 AM GMT
    How many times does DADT have to be fought?



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    Dec 16, 2012 1:04 PM GMT
    It will be challenged over and over by those who didn't, and still don't want it to be in place. It will take years, if ever, for it to finally be completely accepted.
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    Dec 16, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
    Sporty_g saidHow many times does DADT have to be fought?

    The Association of Bragg Officers’ Spouses is a nonprofit, according to its website, meaning it is not directly associated with the Department of Defense.

    “That does give them a little bit more legal latitude with their abilities to discriminate, which would be sad,” Maxwell said. “But their decision is certainly not in keeping with the military’s directive and they do have Fort Bragg in their name.”


    DADT is not the issue here, since this is a private civilian club, not operated by the military. More at issue is DOMA, which continues to deny spousal benefits, like an ID card, to married GLBT military couples.

    The club is hiding behind the technicality that DOMA prevents the US military from recognizing gay marriage, even from States where it's legal. And as the article points out, the club is changing the rules as it goes, adding a requirement for a military spouse ID card that never existed before, to specifically block this lesbian wife.

    But they probably can do it. And with DOMA still in place, it's unclear to me whether the Army can oust the club from post, since the club can't be committing discrimination against a group that DOMA says has no spousal rights. It's a situation similar to the Boy Scouts, which is permitted to use military facilities on post, because the boys are members of military families. But the Scouts can discriminate against gays as a private group.
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    Dec 16, 2012 2:21 PM GMT
    Forty years ago, this story might have been about a military wives club trying to block a black woman from becoming a member.

    It is very disappointing that it should have come to this. Perhaps there has been a failure of leadership here. The garrison commander could have sent a robust message to the spouses club that if they could not demonstrate inclusivity in their club membership, he would withdraw his permission for the club to use any on-base facilities.

    Surely, once same sex marriage has become legal in more than 25 states the DoD will be compelled to recognise such marriages. It was easier for us here in the UK, because on the day civil partnerships became legal, the British armed forces automatically gave dependant benefits to same-sex partners .
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    Dec 16, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
    This is just disgusting. I am repulsed that something like this is still an issue.
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    Dec 16, 2012 3:14 PM GMT
    Cheers to Babette Maxwell for going to the mat for this couple.
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    Dec 16, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    We must continually fight for the expansion of our civil rights.
    Complacency invites erosion.
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    Dec 16, 2012 11:36 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidSurely, once same sex marriage has become legal in more than 25 states the DoD will be compelled to recognise such marriages.

    No. Gay marriage could become legal in all 50 US States and Territories, and DOMA would still deny Federal recognition (and therefore US Armed Forces recognition) to those marriages. The stumbling block here is DOMA, not State laws.
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    Dec 16, 2012 11:41 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidSurely, once same sex marriage has become legal in more than 25 states the DoD will be compelled to recognise such marriages.

    No. Gay marriage could become legal in all 50 US States and Territories, and DOMA would still deny Federal recognition (and therefore US Armed Forces recognition) to those marriages. The stumbling block here is DOMA, not State laws.


    That is bad. Any chance of SCOTUS ditching DOMA?
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    Dec 16, 2012 11:50 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
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    Ex_Mil8 saidSurely, once same sex marriage has become legal in more than 25 states the DoD will be compelled to recognise such marriages.

    No. Gay marriage could become legal in all 50 US States and Territories, and DOMA would still deny Federal recognition (and therefore US Armed Forces recognition) to those marriages. The stumbling block here is DOMA, not State laws.

    That is bad. Any chance of SCOTUS ditching DOMA?

    That's the million-dollar question. We already know how Scalia & Thomas are voting (to retain DOMA) but Roberts is a wild card. It's gonna be a nail-biter until this summer.
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    Dec 17, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
    waterloonicetop saidBest just to drop all support for the military whatsoever...

    I would lobby obama for a signing statement right now, if i lived in a repressive backwater theocracy like the US. Land of the free? What are they fighting for? Rights? Sure....obviously.

    I agree Republicans are trying to turn the US into a theocracy, a Christian Taliban they hope will keep them in power indefinitely.

    But a Presidential signing statement will not be able to Constitutionally address this issue. Nor an Executive Order. There is no authority for the President to change this on his own. The only 2 paths are Congress rescinding DOMA (unlikely with Republicans in control of the House), or the US Supreme Court ruling against DOMA in the present session, which is unpredictable.
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    Dec 17, 2012 2:03 AM GMT
    waterloonicetop saidNo you dont understand, you already ARE a theocracy, in both parties you have zero atheists, your supreme courts run exclusively on god based principles, and everything your government says and does is god based. In fact with the latinos and blacks as a conservative block i would argue the democrats are even more religious based...just not as agressive or wealthy so their power to organize is less.

    This is rather laughable, coming from someone whose Head of State is HM Queen Elizabeth II, the titular head of the Church of England.

    But you didn't respond to my reply that the US President does not have the Constitutional authority to change law as you imagine. So that your lobby proposal is meaningless.