So you want the Science behind Paleo Diet.

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    Dec 16, 2012 5:30 PM GMT
    http://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet
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    Dec 16, 2012 5:37 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidhttp://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet




    It's gone pretty mainstream now . Even body builders are into it.

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    Dec 16, 2012 5:40 PM GMT
    My only weakness where I give in on the list is dairy. Other than that, I pretty much eat Paleo by choice.

    Wheat is the only thing that is a pernicious challenger. I avoid wheat. But, everytime I pass Pasquales Pizza on Irving the fragrance is tantalizing. I used to go in there frequently and enjoy all of the specialties. My favorites were the Lasagna, and the Meat Eater's Pie. I'd get a large so that I would have extra pieces to take home, or give to the street people.

    Sigh. I do miss good pizza. It's been worth giving up, though. Knowing that I'm not eating an engineered slow-death poison (wheat).
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    Dec 16, 2012 5:52 PM GMT
    GAMRican saidMy only weakness where I give in on the list is dairy. Other than that, I pretty much eat

    Sigh. I do miss good pizza. It's been worth giving up, though. Knowing that I'm not eating an engineered slow-death poison (wheat).



    I ordered the Well Fed cookbook maybe that has a substitute for Pizza. But given the 20 % cheat the Paleo experts say is permissible ,which I can confirm as far as cutting goes , a pizza once in a while is not a problem.

    However, since I gone to phase 2 Paleo (no dairy and no wheat ) muscle stiffness has noticeably been reduced though I'm too lean right now .

    No wheat pizza is out there. I had it at an Italian place in North Beach and I also had a cake last week made from coconut flour and cacao nibs. It was at a dinner party and the slices literally flew off the plate. Even the crumbs were gone, so bland health food is a thing of the past once one gets over the myth of " low fat"
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    Dec 16, 2012 7:52 PM GMT
    Well, I'm pretty skeptical about fad diets in general. But I did come across a recipe for low-carb pizza with a crust made out of... cauliflower! I must confess that the first head of cauliflower that I bought for it has been in the bottom of the fridge far too long at this point icon_redface.gif

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/docs/2012/low-carb-pizza-crust.pdf
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    Dec 16, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
    not this shit again... the paleo diet is a diet based on ridiculous historical premises that have no true correlation to modern day food. it has some very admirable dietary principles, but in its dogmatic blindness to the very logic it attempts to espouse (and breaks), it has some unhealthy principles.
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    Dec 16, 2012 7:58 PM GMT
    If there is anything more annoying and self aggrandizing than religious nuts it is fad diet nuts.
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    Dec 16, 2012 8:02 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidWell, I'm pretty skeptical about fad diets in general. But I did come across a recipe for low-carb pizza with a crust made out of... cauliflower! I must confess that the first head of cauliflower that I bought for it has been in the bottom of the fridge far too long at this point icon_redface.gif

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/docs/2012/low-carb-pizza-crust.pdf

    Well, the "fad" is about 2,000,000 years old. So give it a whirl! icon_biggrin.gif I have not had success with cauliflower dough, but mashed cauliflower "potatoes" are great! icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 16, 2012 8:02 PM GMT
    calibro saidnot this shit again... the paleo diet is a diet based on ridiculous historical premises that have no true correlation to modern day food. it has some very admirable dietary principles, but in its dogmatic blindness to the very logic it attempts to espouse (and breaks), it has some unhealthy principles.


    This. The whole concept is ridiculous.

    We didnt evolve to eat sugar, because sugar isnt found naturally?

    Yea thats why fruit doesnt exist, and why cultures who lived thousands of years ago didnt enjoy them icon_rolleyes.gif.

    Also, everything is processed. Everything. That meat that you cooked? Processed.

    Our body didnt evolve to have us eat that now did it?
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    Dec 16, 2012 8:15 PM GMT
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  • calibro

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    Dec 16, 2012 8:27 PM GMT
    GWriter said
    mindgarden saidWell, I'm pretty skeptical about fad diets in general. But I did come across a recipe for low-carb pizza with a crust made out of... cauliflower! I must confess that the first head of cauliflower that I bought for it has been in the bottom of the fridge far too long at this point icon_redface.gif

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/docs/2012/low-carb-pizza-crust.pdf

    Well, the "fad" is about 2,000,000 years old. So give it a whirl! icon_biggrin.gif I have not had success with cauliflower dough, but mashed cauliflower "potatoes" are great! icon_smile.gif


    our ancestors two million years ago didn't eat what we eat. they were mainly herbivores and insectivores. humans are only about 200,000 years old. further, those humans didn't eat what we eat as our diet is significantly altered by the agricultural and industrial revolution as well as globalism. you do realize wild carrots are small and purple? that's what our ancestors would have eaten. everything you find in the supermarket, whether it's a twinkie or an apple, has been modified at some point through manufacturing or selective cultivating. the idea that you could eat what your ancestors ate that long ago is a laughable myth.
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    Dec 16, 2012 8:42 PM GMT
    HungWhiteDick said
    Chainers said
    calibro saidnot this shit again... the paleo diet is a diet based on ridiculous historical premises that have no true correlation to modern day food. it has some very admirable dietary principles, but in its dogmatic blindness to the very logic it attempts to espouse (and breaks), it has some unhealthy principles.


    This. The whole concept is ridiculous.

    We didnt evolve to eat sugar, because sugar isnt found naturally?

    Yea thats why fruit doesnt exist, and why cultures who lived thousands of years ago didnt enjoy them icon_rolleyes.gif.

    Also, everything is processed. Everything. That meat that you cooked? Processed.

    Our body didnt evolve to have us eat that now did it?


    I think they are referring to the effects that processed foods have on our bodies. Riddler recently posted a thread on the negative effects of sugar on the brain.
    This diet is nothing more than Vegetarianism with natural meat thrown in.
    Truth be told, our bodies havent advanced to the point where we could eat processed foods all day with no problems.
    A diet of processed foods with additives such as sugar, salt and processed oils; is the normal catalyst and cause of most if not all modern diseases.

    Google it for yourself.


    I do agree on the other hand with calibro about consumption of raw uncooked foods possibly being unhealthy.


    Sugar smugar. These things you are complaining about are really not that big of a deal. Everything in moderation guys.

    And yes, I agree, processed foods are terrible, but you should really be making your own anyways, it is so much fresher and tastes much better.

    Our fat society is a product of industrialized food, if people learned how to cook life would be much better for everyone.
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    Dec 16, 2012 8:43 PM GMT
    I must admit that I know very little about nutrition (I've taken only one course in university about nutrition). I also hate to comment about things that I know so little about. But, I'm weary of any diet that severely restricts major food groups (i.e. dairy, grain products).
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    Dec 16, 2012 8:46 PM GMT
    sweetyork said I also hate to comment about things that I know so little about.


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  • Medjai

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    Dec 16, 2012 8:56 PM GMT
    So your 'science' is a site that promotes it, is supported by those who stand to gain by its success, and are not holistic in their outlook? That's not science, that's propaganda.
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    Dec 16, 2012 9:03 PM GMT
    We know what peoples in the Upper Palaeolothic and the Mesolithic ate in Europe from the faunal remains they left and also the coprolites. I'm an Archaeologist. Ive looked at al ot of very old poo and had to sieve out tiny fish bones and bits of nut and seeds

    They were gathering grains - wild oats (which are a form of grass) - gathering nuts and berries. Caught fish, hunted game animals such as deer, boar, gathered eggs. We don't know if they had milk or cheese because they didnt have any ceramic pots to leave behind for archaeologists to dig up and to do lipid trace analyis on. Neolothic peoples had milk and cheese, also a form of beer, a form of meed and also ate honey, too (we know this from analysis of the porous fabric of their pots).

    The biggest change to the diet came in the mid-Neolithic when farming really took off - the first farming communities in the Early Neolithic were still hunter gathering and semi-nomadic.

    With the development of a settled lifestyle the population could increase, which was fueld by a more efficient method of getting food: farming. The problem was, of course, when the population rose to a certain size due to farming there was no going back so as a species we were "locked into" being settled farmers. And alaso ironcially, the life-expectancy and nutritional health took a nose dive due to the more limited resource-base of a settled farming lifestyle.
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    Dec 17, 2012 12:55 AM GMT
    calibro saidnot this shit again... the paleo diet is a diet based on ridiculous historical premises that have no true correlation to modern day food. it has some very admirable dietary principles, but in its dogmatic blindness to the very logic it attempts to espouse (and breaks), it has some unhealthy principles.
    I find it funny that the ONLY people bashing the Paleo concept are the people with no abs.

    Coincidence?
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    Dec 17, 2012 1:04 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    calibro saidnot this shit again... the paleo diet is a diet based on ridiculous historical premises that have no true correlation to modern day food. it has some very admirable dietary principles, but in its dogmatic blindness to the very logic it attempts to espouse (and breaks), it has some unhealthy principles.
    I find it funny that the ONLY people bashing the Paleo concept are the people with no abs.

    Coincidence?


    I've never bashed it! I've bashed the pseudoscience and anecdote used to support it.
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    Dec 17, 2012 3:35 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    calibro saidnot this shit again... the paleo diet is a diet based on ridiculous historical premises that have no true correlation to modern day food. it has some very admirable dietary principles, but in its dogmatic blindness to the very logic it attempts to espouse (and breaks), it has some unhealthy principles.
    I find it funny that the ONLY people bashing the Paleo concept are the people with no abs.

    Coincidence?


    You eat any low card high protein diet you will lose fat. Period. Doesnt make it healthy and doesnt make it right. It does make it a fad though. You need carbs. Sugars and breads are the best way to feed your brain, your body has to work very hard to convert fat to glucose.

    I find it ridiculous that the only people who defend paleo are dumb as shit. The reason why is because your brain isnt fed.

    Bitch.
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    Dec 17, 2012 3:40 AM GMT
    I have not heard of this diet, so I had to do a little homework....

    PASS!

    No dairy?? Sorry, but my coffee MUST come with half and half. No exceptions! Plus, I do need a little bread and pasta to give me an energy boost.
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    Dec 17, 2012 3:58 AM GMT
    Has anyone taken a look at this book/site?

    http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/

    It's not paleo exactly, but the ultimate diet outcome is close, the science appears to be pretty solid, and I can tell you from personal experience that it works brilliantly. I haven't looked into the Web site, but I read the book and followed its guidelines and I've been really happy with the results.
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    Dec 17, 2012 4:03 AM GMT
    sfo78 saidHas anyone taken a look at this book/site?

    http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/

    It's not paleo exactly, but the ultimate diet outcome is close, the science appears to be pretty solid, and I can tell you from personal experience that it works brilliantly. I haven't looked into the Web site, but I read the book and followed its guidelines and I've been really happy with the results.


    Lean protein!? Fruits and vegetables!? What kind of crazy newfangled fad shit diet is this!!??
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    Dec 17, 2012 4:04 AM GMT
    I would have really liked to take part in the buy one get one whopper deal at Burger King today, but I guess this will have to do. >>
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    Dec 17, 2012 4:06 AM GMT
    Jumping in where angels fear to tred, I'd like to add to the archaeologist's points another scientific nugget.

    While we haven't changed much over the past few thousand years, the bacteria in our gut have changed immeasurably over the past hundred years in response to our diets and the antibiotics we've introduced into our medical regimen.

    Don't forget, guys, that a large part of the work done in digestion comes from our symbiotic friends living on the surface of our small intestine which (if unfolded) is approximately the size of a football field.

    The vast microbiome inside our gut remained virtually uncharted territory until recent decades. Scientists are only now getting into the details of what goes on - and to understand the interrelations between thousands of different strains representing perhaps a trillion organisms or more is an incredibly complex task.

    Sadly, even if you ate everything exactly as a Paleo hominid did, your gut would not digest it the same way his did.

    This doesn't mean a high vegetable, high-fiber, less-processed, dairy-free, modern grain-free diet isn't going to improve your heath. Individual results may vary. The placebo effect is very real. And since paleo practitioners are also likely to be exercisers, there's a great chance for a concomitant effect.

    It does mean the paleo-diet assumptions are made upon a shaky foundation.

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    Dec 17, 2012 4:31 AM GMT
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    sweetyork said I also hate to comment about things that I know so little about.


    But...that's what being an RJ'er is all about...icon_confused.gif


    My whole reason to be here is to show off the plethora of worthless and untrue information that I live by....