A Gay Version of the Boy Scouts

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    Dec 17, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
    This is a bounce off from another thread where it was discussed. Since the Boy Scouts at the moment aren't the most welcoming to gay youths wouldn't it be a good idea to start a LGBT version of the scouts and maybe make it gender inclusive as well?

    And what would you name it?
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    Dec 17, 2012 2:50 AM GMT
    I like the concept in principle. But the execution could be impossible.

    Pedophiles have been attracted to the original Boy Scouts. Assorted social & political interests protected these perverts from exposure and prosecution, and when they were finally exposed, gays took the rap.

    So what happens when a pedophile abuses these proposed gay boy scouts? I can promise you the sky will fall. And it's bound to happen, no system is perfect, the perverts will find a way to defeat any protections meant to prevent their infiltration. Boys will be hurt once again, and this time gays will take the full brunt of the blame.

    I remember when I was a Cub Scout, and we had den mothers, no men except at troop level. Suitable for younger boys.

    But I wonder if any mentoring organization for older boys can ever be safe with men in charge. Maybe the whole concept of the Boy Scouts is flawed, and doomed to failure. Comments?

    And I dunno about a name. Maybe something forthright & blunt: the Gay Scouts. Or would that sound like gay adults cruising, for themselves or others?
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    Dec 17, 2012 2:53 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidI like the concept in principle. But the execution could be impossible.

    Pedophiles have been attracted to the original Boy Scouts. Assorted social & political interests protected these perverts from exposure and prosecution, and when they were finally exposed, gays took the rap.

    So what happens when a pedophile abuses these proposed gay boy scouts? I can promise you the sky will fall. And it's bound to happen, no system is perfect, the perverts will find a way to defeat any protections meant to prevent their infiltration.

    I remember when I was a Cub Scout, and we had den mothers, no men except at troop level. Suitable for younger boys.

    But I wonder if any mentoring organization for older boys can ever be safe with men in charge. Maybe the whole concept of the Boy Scouts is flawed, and doomed to failure. Comments?


    What makes you assume though that pedophiles are gonna flock to a gay/lesbian/transfer group?
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    Dec 17, 2012 2:55 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidWhat makes you assume though that pedophiles are gonna flock to a gay/lesbian/transfer group?

    Because they flocked to the original Boy Scouts, as we know, and Catholic priests did the same thing with altar boys and others in their care. Any place with boys or girls is like honey to a male pedophile.
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    Dec 17, 2012 2:57 AM GMT
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    MashogaNubianPrince saidWhat makes you assume though that pedophiles are gonna flock to a gay/lesbian/transfer group?

    Because they flocked to the original Boy Scouts, as we know, and Catholic priests did the same thing with altar boys and others in their care. Any place with boys is like honey to a male pedophile.


    Well maybe the leadership could be women from ages five to eleven and twelve to seventeen could be men.
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    Dec 17, 2012 3:07 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidWell maybe the leadership could be women from ages five to eleven and twelve to seventeen could be men.

    That's the current system. Cub Scouts are from 7 to 11, and have den mothers. Boy Scouts are from 11 to 18, and have male scout leaders.
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    Dec 17, 2012 3:51 AM GMT
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    MashogaNubianPrince saidWell maybe the leadership could be women from ages five to eleven and twelve to seventeen could be men.

    That's the current system. Cub Scouts are from 7 to 11, and have den mothers. Boy Scouts are from 11 to 18, and have male scout leaders.


    Well if pedophilia is such an issue then keep it that way but we would make it a point to have and lesbian troop leaders
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    Dec 17, 2012 3:54 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidThis is a bounce off from another thread where it was discussed. Since the Boy Scouts at the moment aren't the most welcoming to gay youths wouldn't it be a good idea to start a LGBT version of the scouts and maybe make it gender inclusive as well?

    And what would you name it?


    Gay youth aren't allowed to join the boy scouts? I used to be a boy scout for 9 years, I find this so funny.
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    Dec 17, 2012 3:56 AM GMT
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    MashogaNubianPrince saidThis is a bounce off from another thread where it was discussed. Since the Boy Scouts at the moment aren't the most welcoming to gay youths wouldn't it be a good idea to start a LGBT version of the scouts and maybe make it gender inclusive as well?

    And what would you name it?


    Gay youth aren't allowed to join the boy scouts? I used to be a boy scout for 9 years, I find this so funny.


    Openly gay youth and troopleaders and den mother are not allowed in.
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    Dec 17, 2012 3:57 AM GMT
    Horrible idea. We should continue to fight for INCLUSION.....not exclusion.
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    Dec 17, 2012 3:59 AM GMT
    The idea makes some sense, but the future I feel we should push is where there is inclusion everywhere and no discrimination for what ever reason. In a world where groups are trying to segregate us from them, we should be the first to welcome them to be a greater community of love and acceptance.
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    Dec 17, 2012 4:06 AM GMT
    MidwesternKid saidThe idea makes some sense, but the future I feel we should push is where there is inclusion everywhere and no discrimination for what ever reason. In a world where groups are trying to segregate us from them, we should be the first to welcome them to be a greater community of love and acceptance.


    Inclusion should be a goal but in many areas especially in the south this isn't a realistic expectation. There should be some sort of LGBT alternative for kids who want the scout experience but with the added comfort of safety and maybe from time to time advice from troopleaders on how to survive as an LGBT youth in this world.
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    Dec 17, 2012 4:06 AM GMT
    MNP basically wants segregation...thats the bold fact
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    Dec 17, 2012 4:17 AM GMT
    RadRTT saidMNP basically wants segregation...thats the bold fact


    Was it segregation when blacks opened up their own colleges? Was it segregation when girls started their own scouts? Was it segregation when blacks came up with their own religious denominations? Often times these splinter cells are formed because of discrimination and bigotry and its a response to the mainstream shutting them out.
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    Dec 17, 2012 4:49 AM GMT
    The issue is NOT Young Gay Men/Boys camping together.

    The issue has been Grown Men who are interested in taking advantage of Young Gay Men/Boys.

    Grown Gay Men who can LEAD Young Gay Dudes and know how and where to draw the lines...I WILL PERSONALLY FUND IT.

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    Dec 17, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    KKim11 said
    MashogaNubianPrince saidThis is a bounce off from another thread where it was discussed. Since the Boy Scouts at the moment aren't the most welcoming to gay youths wouldn't it be a good idea to start a LGBT version of the scouts and maybe make it gender inclusive as well?

    And what would you name it?


    Gay youth aren't allowed to join the boy scouts? I used to be a boy scout for 9 years, I find this so funny.


    Openly gay youth and troopleaders and den mother are not allowed in.


    I guess its different In Canada, because I knew a few openly gay/bi youth, no one said anything at all.
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    Dec 17, 2012 5:15 AM GMT
    rinkboy said
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    KKim11 said
    MashogaNubianPrince saidThis is a bounce off from another thread where it was discussed. Since the Boy Scouts at the moment aren't the most welcoming to gay youths wouldn't it be a good idea to start a LGBT version of the scouts and maybe make it gender inclusive as well?

    And what would you name it?


    Gay youth aren't allowed to join the boy scouts? I used to be a boy scout for 9 years, I find this so funny.


    Openly gay youth and troopleaders and den mother are not allowed in.


    I guess its different In Canada, because I knew a few openly gay/bi youth, no one said anything at all.


    You are missing the point.

    WE ALL always knew Gay/bi Youth. We were all (on this site) ONE of them at some point.

    YOUR generation has an easier time than ANY generation in Modern times.

    It is not an issue of Nationality.



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    Dec 17, 2012 5:21 AM GMT
    Cash said
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    MashogaNubianPrince said
    KKim11 said
    MashogaNubianPrince saidThis is a bounce off from another thread where it was discussed. Since the Boy Scouts at the moment aren't the most welcoming to gay youths wouldn't it be a good idea to start a LGBT version of the scouts and maybe make it gender inclusive as well?

    And what would you name it?


    Gay youth aren't allowed to join the boy scouts? I used to be a boy scout for 9 years, I find this so funny.


    Openly gay youth and troopleaders and den mother are not allowed in.


    I guess its different In Canada, because I knew a few openly gay/bi youth, no one said anything at all.


    You are missing the point.

    WE ALL always knew Gay/bi Youth. We were all (on this site) ONE of them at some point.

    YOUR generation has an easier time than ANY generation in Modern times.

    It is not an issue of Nationality.





    For once I agree with you.
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    Dec 17, 2012 5:24 AM GMT
    What do you mean?
    I know so many guys who had their first same-sex experience in the boy scouts
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    Dec 17, 2012 5:27 AM GMT
    Alright the problem is not having an organization for gays, the problem is you are creating the origination as to segregate the gay/bi and the straights in the Boy Scouts.

    This teaches children that gay/bi and straight are different...Children need to that just because they are straight, gay, bi, or transgender everyone is the same. Just because you are attracted to someone regardless of gender or who you perceive yourself as, doesn't make you any different then the next person. Children need to be taught that it is NO ONES business who they are having sex/love with, but theirs and their partners...not anyone else!

    Now I like Cash idea for gay/bi youth BUT not as a substitution for children who are not allowed to be in the boy scouts
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    Dec 17, 2012 5:32 AM GMT
    RadRTT saidAlright the problem is not having an organization for gays, the problem is you are creating the origination as to segregate the gay/bi and the straights in the Boy Scouts.

    This teaches children that gay/bi and straight are different...Children need to that just because they are straight, gay, bi, or transgender everyone is the same. Just because you are attracted to someone regardless of gender or who you perceive yourself as, doesn't make you any different then the next person. Children need to be taught that it is NO ONES business who they are having sex/love with, but theirs and their partners...not anyone else!

    Now I like Cash idea for gay/bi youth BUT not as a substitution for children who are not allowed to be in the boy scouts


    What he suggested is in no way shape or form different that what I suggested. Its still an organization for gay lesbian and bisexual youth.

    The only difference is that he said it.
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    Dec 17, 2012 5:35 AM GMT
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    RadRTT saidAlright the problem is not having an organization for gays, the problem is you are creating the origination as to segregate the gay/bi and the straights in the Boy Scouts.

    This teaches children that gay/bi and straight are different...Children need to that just because they are straight, gay, bi, or transgender everyone is the same. Just because you are attracted to someone regardless of gender or who you perceive yourself as, doesn't make you any different then the next person. Children need to be taught that it is NO ONES business who they are having sex/love with, but theirs and their partners...not anyone else!

    Now I like Cash idea for gay/bi youth BUT not as a substitution for children who are not allowed to be in the boy scouts


    What he suggested is in no way shape or form different that what I suggested. Its still an organization for gay lesbian and bisexual youth.

    The only difference is that he said it.
    your missing the point...I said I wouldn't agree with it, if it is a substitute for the boy scouts..

    And he did put it in a more eloquent way
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    Dec 17, 2012 5:37 AM GMT
    RadRTT said
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    RadRTT saidAlright the problem is not having an organization for gays, the problem is you are creating the origination as to segregate the gay/bi and the straights in the Boy Scouts.

    This teaches children that gay/bi and straight are different...Children need to that just because they are straight, gay, bi, or transgender everyone is the same. Just because you are attracted to someone regardless of gender or who you perceive yourself as, doesn't make you any different then the next person. Children need to be taught that it is NO ONES business who they are having sex/love with, but theirs and their partners...not anyone else!

    Now I like Cash idea for gay/bi youth BUT not as a substitution for children who are not allowed to be in the boy scouts


    What he suggested is in no way shape or form different that what I suggested. Its still an organization for gay lesbian and bisexual youth.

    The only difference is that he said it.
    your missing the point...I said I wouldn't agree with it, if it is a substitute for the boy scouts..

    And he did put it in a more eloquent way


    But its the same damn result. If you shoot a man regardless of his intent that man is dead.

    Be it an alternative for kids not allowed in regular scouts or what he said its still an organization that would be for gay lesbian bi and trans youth.
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    Dec 17, 2012 5:39 AM GMT
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    But its the same damn result. If you shoot a man regardless of his intent that man is dead.

    Be it an alternative for kids not allowed in regular scouts or what he said its still an organization that would be for gay lesbian bi and trans youth.
    And that is SEGREGATION! AND SEGREGATION IS STUPID AND POINTLESS!!!

    And please, with the recent events, I think you should refrain from gun and murder references
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    Dec 17, 2012 5:42 AM GMT
    RadRTT said
    MashogaNubianPrince said

    But its the same damn result. If you shoot a man regardless of his intent that man is dead.

    Be it an alternative for kids not allowed in regular scouts or what he said its still an organization that would be for gay lesbian bi and trans youth.
    And that is SEGREGATION! AND SEGREGATION IS STUPID AND POINTLESS!!!

    And please, with the recent events, I think you should refrain from gun and murder references


    Sometimes segregation is neccesary for survival.

    So now you're suddenly against Cash's idea?