Firearm Control

  • NMGUY505

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    Dec 18, 2012 4:25 AM GMT
    Due to recent events in Conn., Colorado, Virginia to name a few. You have people pushing for more extreme measures of gun control. Which makes me sick to see them using these tragic events to further there own agenda. Personally I beleive in the saying "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" Being an owner of some firearms, I'm at odds with the people and activist for gun control. Have even a bigger issue with Obama's ideas for gun control. Let me know what your thoughts are regarding this topic. For the guys from europe before you start thrashing americans about our love of guns. Remember the first modern firearms were developed in europe. LETS TRY TO BE CIVIL ABOUT THIS, DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME A CLUSTER FUCK NOW.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:31 AM GMT
    I agree with the "Guns Don't kill people, people kill people" debate.

    I don't find the need for semi-automatic firearms though; they're extremely unnecessary and those are the weapons mainly used in these shootings.

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    Dec 18, 2012 4:36 AM GMT
    In my opinion, that whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people" line is soooo tired because it's just a way to bullshit around saying that people with guns kill people. Yes, there are other ways to be killed but a gun makes it much easier...how many more lives need to be taken for people to realize that change is needed now? I just feel guns are unnecessary icon_confused.gif
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:38 AM GMT
    I think we should have more scrutiny with who gets guns but we shouldn't restrict the kinds of guns we can use. I like being able to own a semi auto weapon. The idea of a gun makes me safe but we should keep guns out of the hands of crazy people. And we also need to make sure people can't just shoot someone and claim self defense. But I as someone who plans on buying a gun soon I shouldn't be able to get my concealed weapons permit the same day I buy my gun. Even though I know I'm responsible many people are not. Also I think concealed weapons should be outlawed. Whenever I get into a verbal argument with someone sometimes I think in the back of my mind 'what if this guy has a gun? What if he gets too heated? Can I defend myself?'. Now the man may not even have a gun but I'm so used to people getting shot over dumb shit it makes me nervous. I think we should be able to know if someone has a gun on them.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:40 AM GMT
    BlackCat90 saidIn my opinion, that whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people" line is soooo tired because it's just a way to bullshit around saying that people with guns kill people. Yes, there are other ways to be killed but a gun makes it much easier...how many more lives need to be taken for people to realize that change is needed now? I just feel guns are unnecessary icon_confused.gif
    Exactly.
    It is honestly so much easier to pull a trigger from a distance than it is to get up-close and personal with a knife, or something to choke with, or whatever.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:42 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidThe idea of a gun makes me safe but we should keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.


    That's where you run into a problem....how do you know who's crazy and not? Crazy people don't have a certain look....icon_confused.gif
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:42 AM GMT
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    BlackCat90 saidIn my opinion, that whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people" line is soooo tired because it's just a way to bullshit around saying that people with guns kill people. Yes, there are other ways to be killed but a gun makes it much easier...how many more lives need to be taken for people to realize that change is needed now? I just feel guns are unnecessary icon_confused.gif
    Exactly.
    It is honestly so much easier to pull a trigger from a distance than it is to get up-close and personal with a knife, or something to choke with, or whatever.


    Easier execution wise but if you're determined enough you can put your emotions aside and get the job done.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:42 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince said.I like being able to own a semi auto weapon.
    Why? Are you an NRA gun freak?
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:43 AM GMT
    BlackCat90 said
    MashogaNubianPrince saidThe idea of a gun makes me safe but we should keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.


    That's where you run into a problem....how do you know who's crazy and not? Crazy people don't have a certain look....icon_confused.gif


    Do very detailed background checks and mental health exams.
  • wellwell

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    Dec 18, 2012 4:43 AM GMT
    ...Yes, for change I suggest, open-carry for all states. If I'd been there w/ any of mine, he never would have fired off more than 2, 3 TOPS! Seems 2 me this sort of thing never happens in Texas; where indeed, they have open carry rights.

    I'm always amazed how the civil liberties-hating liberals always ignore the obvious solutions.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    Mental screening of people who want to buy guns is crucial!!!
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidEasier execution wise but if you're determined enough you can put your emotions aside and get the job done.
    Not for something like getting in a stupid argument in Toys'R'Us. True story.

    BlackCat90 said
    MashogaNubianPrince saidThe idea of a gun makes me safe but we should keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.
    That's where you run into a problem....how do you know who's crazy and not? Crazy people don't have a certain look....icon_confused.gif
    Exactly. Most serial killers' neighbours say things like "I never thought he could be a murderer... he was so polite and kind."
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    McQueen said
    MashogaNubianPrince said.I like being able to own a semi auto weapon.
    Why? Are you an NRA gun freak?


    No but I like being able to defend myself and my home and also its no ones damn business what kins of gun I own.
  • NMGUY505

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    Dec 18, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    McQueen said
    MashogaNubianPrince said.I like being able to own a semi auto weapon.
    Why? Are you an NRA gun freak?


    Easy now guys, try and keep it civil. Thanks for the responses some valid points in each response.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:45 AM GMT
    wellwell said...Yes, for change I suggest, open-carry for all states. If I'd been there w/ any of mine, he never would have fired off more than 2, 3 TOPS! Seems 2 me this sort of thing never happens in Texas; where indeed, they have open carry rights.


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    And if you accidentally hit a child in the hallway????
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:45 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidDo very detailed background checks and mental health exams.
    swimguychicago saidMental screening of people who want to buy guns is crucial!!!
    You both clearly don't understand psychology.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    BlackCat90 said
    MashogaNubianPrince saidThe idea of a gun makes me safe but we should keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.


    That's where you run into a problem....how do you know who's crazy and not? Crazy people don't have a certain look....icon_confused.gif


    Do very detailed background checks and mental health exams.


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    Dec 18, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
    People also attack school children with knives. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-attacks-22-kids-knife-china-school-article-1.1220230

    Way back during the Columbine shooting the pair attempted to use propane bombs to first attack the school then shoot students as they fled.

    Take away certain types of guns and crazies will just resort to other methods of killing.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
    BlackCat90 said
    wellwell said...Yes, for change I suggest, open-carry for all states. If I'd been there w/ any of mine, he never would have fired off more than 2, 3 TOPS! Seems 2 me this sort of thing never happens in Texas; where indeed, they have open carry rights.


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    And if you accidentally hit a child in the hallway????


    ...What, you think I'm an amateur, or something?
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
    McQueen said
    MashogaNubianPrince saidDo very detailed background checks and mental health exams.
    swimguychicago saidMental screening of people who want to buy guns is crucial!!!
    You both clearly don't understand psychology.


    Then educate us doctor. Look I think have mental health exams and background checks are a step in the right direction.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:48 AM GMT
    wellwell said
    BlackCat90 said
    wellwell said...Yes, for change I suggest, open-carry for all states. If I'd been there w/ any of mine, he never would have fired off more than 2, 3 TOPS! Seems 2 me this sort of thing never happens in Texas; where indeed, they have open carry rights.


    tumblr_lqeholAglc1ql180m.gif

    And if you accidentally hit a child in the hallway????


    ...What, you think I'm an amateur, or something?


    I wouldn't know.....and you wouldn't either. Remember, under pressure, things happen....the best shooter could even make an error...
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:48 AM GMT
    BlackCat90 said
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    BlackCat90 said
    MashogaNubianPrince saidThe idea of a gun makes me safe but we should keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.


    That's where you run into a problem....how do you know who's crazy and not? Crazy people don't have a certain look....icon_confused.gif


    Do very detailed background checks and mental health exams.


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    Then don't complain about increased gun crime if people like you don't want to have measures in place to put extreme scrutiny on people who want to own s gun.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:49 AM GMT
    BlackCat90 said
    wellwell said
    BlackCat90 said
    wellwell said...Yes, for change I suggest, open-carry for all states. If I'd been there w/ any of mine, he never would have fired off more than 2, 3 TOPS! Seems 2 me this sort of thing never happens in Texas; where indeed, they have open carry rights.


    tumblr_lqeholAglc1ql180m.gif

    And if you accidentally hit a child in the hallway????


    ...What, you think I'm an amateur, or something?


    I wouldn't know.....and you wouldn't either. Remember, under pressure, things happen....the best shooter could even make an error...


    I'll happily take the risk !
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:50 AM GMT
    I feel we should have a restriction on the types of guns, but I don't think we should just outlaw gun ownership in general so quickly. Let's take your more rural folk for example. If shit goes down at my parent's home, which is way out in the woods, cops most likely wouldn't make it time to intervene. Therefor, having a firearm is pretty necessary in that situation.

    I can't even tell you how many times someone has been shot in their own home WHILE communicating with a dispatcher. They had nothing to protect them.

    Also, having stricter procedures for obtaining a gun is pretty favorable. But as someone stated, you still couldn't really wean out the crazies with these "procedures." Even the nicest person you know could possibly be absolutely insane.
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    Dec 18, 2012 4:50 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    BlackCat90 said
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    BlackCat90 said
    MashogaNubianPrince saidThe idea of a gun makes me safe but we should keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.


    That's where you run into a problem....how do you know who's crazy and not? Crazy people don't have a certain look....icon_confused.gif


    Do very detailed background checks and mental health exams.


    ayee.jpg



    Then don't complain about increased gun crime if people like you don't want to have measures in place to put extreme scrutiny on people who want to own s gun.


    How about we just get rid of the guns all together! Fighting fire with fire is not the answer...what the hell does a civilian need with a machine gun???