Being gay and conservative

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    Dec 18, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    Ignoring the economic/fiscal part is it possible to be gay and support the 'power of tradition'...
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    Dec 18, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
    If the fiscal issues have no part in why a gay person is labeling themselves "conservative" they are just a self-loather, plain and simple.
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    Dec 18, 2012 8:05 PM GMT
    I'm conservative when it comes to fiscal stuff, guns, etc., but very liberal when it comes to cultural and social topics.
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    Dec 18, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
    jayj014 saidIgnoring the economic/fiscal part is it possible to be gay and support the 'power of tradition'...


    Please define "power of tradition".
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    Dec 18, 2012 8:34 PM GMT
    mocktwinkles saidIf the fiscal issues have no part in why a gay person is labeling themselves "conservative" they are just a self-loather, plain and simple.
    I agree 100%.
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    Dec 18, 2012 9:56 PM GMT
    Depends on what you are trying to conserve.

    I love the traditions that made this country great: Tolerance, Working Together. Mutually-Shared Sacrifice when it was needed.

    We won our wars because everyone was willing to fight and pay for them together, INCLUDING THE WEALTHIER CITIZENS.

    Our founders, including Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, embraced scientific methods to explore our potential. THEY WOULD BE SHOCKED AT THE REGRESSIVE THINKING that is required to be a part of the Republican Party today.

    The tradition of conserving our land so that the next generation has more than a toxic dump for its inheritance is worth fighting for.

    These are the reasons that many of us who want a nation worth conserving tend to vote Democratic.
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    Dec 18, 2012 11:37 PM GMT
    jayj014 saidIgnoring the economic/fiscal part is it possible to be gay and support the 'power of tradition'...
    The notion of tradition is subjective. Conservatives who cling to tradition are unwilling to accept that society changes and progresses, and rarely are older traditions better.
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    Dec 18, 2012 11:39 PM GMT
    GeorgeLifts - very good indeed!
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    Dec 18, 2012 11:45 PM GMT
    It's funny because I'm probably one of the most far-left posters here but I love the traditions of my family, my ethnic heritage and my religion. But I don't consider any of those things conservative.
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    Dec 19, 2012 4:45 AM GMT
    GAMRican said
    jayj014 saidIgnoring the economic/fiscal part is it possible to be gay and support the 'power of tradition'...


    Please define "power of tradition".


    power of tradition jsut means conservative
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    Dec 19, 2012 4:49 AM GMT
    GeorgeLifts saidDepends on what you are trying to conserve.

    I love the traditions that made this country great: Tolerance, Working Together. Mutually-Shared Sacrifice when it was needed.

    We won our wars because everyone was willing to fight and pay for them together, INCLUDING THE WEALTHIER CITIZENS.

    Our founders, including Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, embraced scientific methods to explore our potential. THEY WOULD BE SHOCKED AT THE REGRESSIVE THINKING that is required to be a part of the Republican Party today.

    The tradition of conserving our land so that the next generation has more than a toxic dump for its inheritance is worth fighting for.

    These are the reasons that many of us who want a nation worth conserving tend to vote Democratic.


    I see what you've done here. but being conservative does not to refer to the word tradition the way your using it. Instead it refers to the value of continuity and security particularly socially.
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    Dec 19, 2012 4:51 AM GMT
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    jayj014 saidIgnoring the economic/fiscal part is it possible to be gay and support the 'power of tradition'...
    The notion of tradition is subjective. Conservatives who cling to tradition are unwilling to accept that society changes and progresses, and rarely are older traditions better.


    tradition it subjective, but not always inferior. Many are truths based on the combined intelligence of a number of generations
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    Dec 19, 2012 5:10 AM GMT
    Well, yes it is. However, will you be fully accepted...no. Basically gays, minorities, and women that are conservative do so for an abstract concept of tradition. What are "traditional" norms? This issue is problematic, so I will try my best to dissect it within the popular conservative definition. In America, we view tradition with the spectrum of religion and, unfortunately, hegemony. In our society, gays, minorities, and women are not fully equal. Much of this is, of course, human nature (taking a more Socially Darwinistic point of view), but mostly amplified by our founding and slavery (a rather rigid racial and gender hierarchical structure took root in the US, more so than in Canada...mostly because of slavery). Part of our heritage stems from this past. I did not mention that our heritage also stems from homesteading and manifest destiny. This is not to say that all aspects are good or bad; some are good some are bad.

    With that said, Republicans seems to extremely follow both schools of thought. This extreme shows itself in military spending (independence and domination), as well as the moral culture wars they fight. However, some groups value the idea of religion and independence, two roots of the party and "tradition". Thus, initially it seems appealing. However, due to the extremism of preserving "tradition", those groups are rarely fully accepted. Log Cabin Republicans were intentionally not invited to the RNC. With that said, since public opinion is changing, there is slightly more acceptance from the right and thus the rise of superficial "poster boys". This is actually a good thing, since needing a "poster boy" shows that perceptions are changing. Yet, it's important to note, that it since that they are superficially accepted, they are still outsiders.

    In this changing world, though, traditions change as well. Conservatives (not Republicans) were not for slavery. Now, you're hard pressed to find a conservative who is for slavery. So, with time it may be possible to gain full acceptance. In the meantime, being a token or poster boy will have to suffice.
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    Dec 19, 2012 5:25 AM GMT
    You can be gay and be an advocate for any of the possible ideologies in our society. The term 'conservative' is very broad and may not overlap with your sexual identity. For example libertarians advocate for a limited government role in private lives while social conservatives view gays as a threat to traditional values.

    But... Can a gay man share the same ideology as a social conservative? That's like asking if a black guy can share the same beliefs as a racist white man. Sure, it's possible but it seems psychologically unstable to me.

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    Dec 19, 2012 5:57 AM GMT
    atxd13 saidYou can be gay and be an advocate for any of the possible ideologies in our society. The term 'conservative' is very broad and may not overlap with your sexual identity. For example libertarians advocate for a limited government role in private lives while social conservatives view gays as a threat to traditional values.

    But... Can a gay man share the same ideology as a social conservative? That's like asking if a black guy can share the same beliefs as a racist white man. Sure, it's possible but it seems psychologically unstable to me.



    one of the reasons I posed the question was that i was initially extremely conservative part. socially. I angers me that I had to give up this position because, as your say, it means holding beliefs that conflict with what your doing. I moved to libertarian ism.

    I spose it becomes a question of whether your willing exempt gayness from critique while at the same time holding other social conservative positions on things like sex, marriage and so on
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    Dec 19, 2012 12:20 PM GMT
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    atxd13 saidYou can be gay and be an advocate for any of the possible ideologies in our society. The term 'conservative' is very broad and may not overlap with your sexual identity. For example libertarians advocate for a limited government role in private lives while social conservatives view gays as a threat to traditional values.

    But... Can a gay man share the same ideology as a social conservative? That's like asking if a black guy can share the same beliefs as a racist white man. Sure, it's possible but it seems psychologically unstable to me.



    one of the reasons I posed the question was that i was initially extremely conservative part. socially. I angers me that I had to give up this position because, as your say, it means holding beliefs that conflict with what your doing. I moved to libertarian ism.

    I spose it becomes a question of whether your willing exempt gayness from critique while at the same time holding other social conservative positions on things like sex, marriage and so on


    Conservatism has evolved over the centuries. American conservatives are quite a bit different than their UK and European predecessors. It's valuable to explore the roots of your beliefs and find the branch where you are comfortable.

    The gay world is broader than what you read here or see on television. There are gay conservatives who believe in monogamy, military, child-centric home life, Dominionism, etc. You don't have to give up your core values - but this could be a positive growth opportunity for you. It's healthy to challenge your beliefs and reaffirm what matters to you. I think a lot of intellectual conservatives are going through this process.