McCain's Very Bad Day & A Special FYI

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    Sep 16, 2008 7:56 PM GMT
    McCain's campaign has been all over the place today - from the economy, to his criticism of morning show anchors, to whether he invented the Blackberry and on Sarah Palin's inability to run a company. And to make matters worse, conservative pundits are turning against McCain.

    The biggest flub came this morning when McCain slammed Wall Street "fat cats" even though his single biggest donor is Merrill Lynch. After denouncing the very people that help pay for his campaign, McCain suggested the government set up a commission to look into what went wrong. Barack Obama criticized McCain for "passing the buck" on the economy:

    Democratic candidate Barack Obama says he will take regulatory oversight seriously as president and accuses his Republican opponent, John McCain, of wanting to "pass the buck."

    McCain proposed Tuesday to create a commission to study how the economic crisis came about. McCain compared it to the Sept. 11 commission established to investigate the 2001 terrorist attacks.

    By: Katharine Zaleski: Huffington Post

    FYI: Here is what's clear. The Republicans held control of the Congress for 12 years before 2006 and helped deregulate the mortgage business that is now at the crux of the problem. In addition, with the Republican stonewalling and veto power of the President, the Democratic Congress has its hands tied. Meanwhile, the chief economic adviser to Sen. McCain is Phil Gramm, king of deregulation in Washington. One can certainly lay blame on the Republicans for deregulation of the financial markets thus we can not let them just form a commission to look at the problem, we need a team that corrects it. Why would John McCain and Phil Gramm reform something that they helped to create, deregulation of the markets?

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    Sep 16, 2008 8:06 PM GMT
    Did he invent the blackberry? Somebody should contact the CEO of Research In Motion in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. There could be another law suit coming. icon_razz.gif

    Seriously though one of Senator's McCain's potential weaknesses has been his temper and his tendency to sometimes talk outside the script. His aides need to reign him in.
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    Sep 16, 2008 8:42 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidDid he invent the blackberry? Somebody should contact the CEO of Research In Motion in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. There could be another law suit coming. icon_razz.gif

    Seriously though one of Senator's McCain's potential weaknesses has been his temper and his tendency to sometimes talk outside the script. His aides need to reign him in.


    NO! Let McCain's temper come out, let the voters see it! That temper has long been known in Washington and in press circles, and I was hoping the heat of the campaign would bring it out. Let Americans know what a nasty creature he really is.
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    Sep 16, 2008 9:40 PM GMT
    WARREN, Ohio (CNN) – Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard CEO turned John McCain Victory chair, said Tuesday that Sarah Palin isn’t qualified to run her old company.

    Appearing on a KTRS Radio show in St. Louis, Fiorina was asked by the host, “Do you think she has the experience to run a major company like Hewlett Packard?”

    “No, I don’t,” Fiorina answered. “But that’s not what she’s running for. Running a corporation is a different set of things."

    "I would just remind you that it is Barack Obama who is running for president," she continued. "John McCain who is running for president.”

    Fiorina contended that while Palin may not be up the task of running a multi-billion dollar IT company, she does have more relevant governing experience than Obama does.


    “I find it quite stunning actually that the Barack Obama campaign is questioning Sarah Palin's experience,” Fiorina said. “She’s got more executive experience than he does and she is the vice presidential nominee, Barack Obama is the presidential nominee.”

    UPDATE: Asked about the comment during an MSNBC interview, Fiorina replied: “Well, I don't think John McCain could run a major corporation, I don't think Barack Obama could run a major corporation, I don't think Joe Biden could run a major corporation.

    "But, on the other hand, a major corporation is not the same as being the president or the vice president of the United States. It is a fallacy to suggest that the country is like a company. So, of course, to run a business, you have to have a lifetime of experience in business, but that's not what Sarah Palin, John McCain, Joe Biden, or Barack Obama are doing."

    The response that was immediately circulated by Obama's campaign.


    “If John McCain’s top economic advisor doesn’t think he can run a corporation, how on Earth can he run the largest economy in the world in the midst of a financial crisis?" said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor. "Apparently even the people who run his campaign agree that the economy is an issue John McCain doesn’t understand as well as he should."



    i love this laughed my ass off.. i think fiorina is full of herself.. thank god she is a mccain supporter..
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    Sep 16, 2008 10:39 PM GMT
    NNJfitandbi saidShe did such a great job running a major corporation. ;)


    Dang it, you beat me to it.
  • GQjock

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    Sep 16, 2008 10:44 PM GMT
    The DNC set up a wiki chronicling the McCain Campaigns lies
    They're up to 55 and all are Fact Checked

    http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lies
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    Sep 16, 2008 11:14 PM GMT
    Where's CuriousJock? There's so much here for Todd to refute...LOL
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:57 AM GMT
    I think McCain bit into an apple thats going to change into a lemon where his sudden disgust over wallstreets problems and whose to blame is concerned. This will cost him dearly with the knowledgeable public, because If he truely investigates this problem it will lead to Graham most certainly and right to the top in the bush oval office. The senate banking committee chair asked and wrote letters to Bush asking him to meet to do something to head off the Housing bubble bust, and Bush didn't respond. Most of the Governors signed onto a request for Bush to do something about the foreseen Housing crisis with the Governors threatening to creat legislation within their own states to solve what they forsaw as a fast approaching problem. What was Bushes response???? He issued some edict to stop the states from changing anything which would "interfere" with the banking markets. TADA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a lot of this will lead right to BUSH !!!!!! I also read that the New York Governor who was exposed for his use of a certain call girl and then resigned, had written a warning to Bush that he was going public over his halting action by the states. He did the warning after writing a small OPED article about Bush's involvement in the banking crisis just 3 weeks prior to his exposure with the prostitute. OH HOW I HOPE THIS ALL COMES OUT !!!!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 17, 2008 4:05 AM GMT
    The lies and mistruths are coming from both sides, unfortunately. This campaign has gotten far nastier than either candidate said it would be. Oh well. CNN did an expose´ last night of McCain's lies in his ads and speeches, and tonight they did the same thing with Obama. Both candidates have been less than truthful and none any more or less than the other.

    That all being said, barring any real disaster in the debates or some October surprises, I feel pretty confident that McCain's going to come out on top in the end. Just a hunch, and you can all say "I told ya so" if it doesn't turn out that way on November 4th.
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    Sep 17, 2008 4:35 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe lies and mistruths are coming from both sides, unfortunately. This campaign has gotten far nastier than either candidate said it would be. Oh well. CNN did an expose´ last night of McCain's lies in his ads and speeches, and tonight they did the same thing with Obama. Both candidates have been less than truthful and none any more or less than the other.

    That all being said, barring any real disaster in the debates or some October surprises, I feel pretty confident that McCain's going to come out on top in the end. Just a hunch, and you can all say "I told ya so" if it doesn't turn out that way on November 4th.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CurriousJ-------my response to both paragraphs=========WISHFULL THINKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Sep 17, 2008 4:45 AM GMT
    Part wishful thinking, part logical conclusion. Let's face it, if there was all that major of a national backlash against the Republicans due to displeasure with Bush, the economy, the war, whatever, it would be reflected pretty clearly at least to some degree in the polls. The polls are not even remotely telling that kind of story. Obama I'm sure is very worried by this...while Hillary is surely loving every minute of it.
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    Sep 17, 2008 4:56 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidPart wishful thinking, part logical conclusion. Let's face it, if there was all that major of a national backlash against the Republicans due to displeasure with Bush, the economy, the war, whatever, it would be reflected pretty clearly at least to some degree in the polls. The polls are not even remotely telling that kind of story. Obama I'm sure is very worried by this...while Hillary is surely loving every minute of it.


    I might have agreed with you about a week ago, with Palin mania peaking out like it was but that isn't the case anymore. The case that just about ended Palin's startpower is the fact that she's all bark and no bite, meaning she's giving the same, false speach(thanks but no thanks?) while she's on the campaign trail and is STILL refusing to answer any question. Even questions as part of the investigation she is currently under for firing a government employee.

    But completely over shadowing her are the out right lies that McCain seems to spew on a daily basis. As if he has absolutely zero shame.

    If McCain lies this much as a presidential CANDIDATE, just imagine what kind of lies we'll be in for if he takes the oval office. (" I didn't hit any red button named 'missle launch'") icon_rolleyes.gif

    Obama '08
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    Sep 17, 2008 5:01 AM GMT
    RyanReBoRn said
    If McCain lies this much as a presidential CANDIDATE, just imagine what kind of lies we'll be in for if he takes the oval office. (" I didn't hit any red button named 'missle launch'")


    As a matter of fact, he's already used that line. Apparently everyone else is too polite to bring it up. (Oops, never mind. There are now plenty of lunatics raving in the blogosphere about McCain and the Forrestal disaster.)

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    Sep 17, 2008 5:07 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidBoth candidates have been less than truthful and none any more or less than the other.


    WRONG!! McCain takes the cake in lying ..

    http://www.slate.com/id/2199923/These stats and categories come from PolitiFact, but the story looks pretty much the same if you count up fabrications documented by FactCheck.org or the Washington Post's Fact Checker, the other truth-squad operations working the race: During the past two and a half months, McCain has lied more often and more outrageously than Obama.


    http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

    Obama's statements:

    * True 40
    * Mostly True 24
    * Half True 21
    * Barely True 12
    * False 18
    * Pants on Fire 0

    McCain's statements

    * True 25
    * Mostly True 21
    * Half True 19
    * Barely True 22
    * False 23
    * Pants on Fire 6