FORUMS > Vitamins & Supplements Forum Rules

Iodine Deficiency - An Old Epidemic Is Back

  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 20, 2012 10:34 PM GMT
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/complementary-medicine/201108/iodine-deficiency-old-epidemic-is-back
  • MuchMoreThanM... Posts: 21348
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 1:46 AM GMT
    Thank you for this article. I also read recently that people who are vegetarian also area at risk for iodine deficiency because iodine is also in meat and egg sources. I added cage free eggs back to my diet but only eat two a day since cage/range free eggs are so much more expensive than regular eggs.

    However, I still suffer from fatigue so I am going to look into iodine supplementation as per recommended by the web article posted here.

    I need to get to the bottom of this damn fucking fatigue I've had for decades!
  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidThank you for this article. I also read recently that people who are vegetarian also area at risk for iodine deficiency because iodine is also in meat and egg sources. I added cage free eggs back to my diet but only eat two a day since cage/range free eggs are so much more expensive than regular eggs.

    However, I still suffer from fatigue so I am going to look into iodine supplementation as per recommended by the web article posted here.

    I need to get to the bottom of this damn fucking fatigue I've had for decades!


    Doctors don't have any input?
  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 1:55 AM GMT
    I have been complaining about serious fatigue since I was a teenager. Doctors wouldn't take me seriously. In my adult years, I became fat and very depressed. A few years ago, I was finally tested and diagnosed with hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid), which causes these symptoms. I tried the thyroid replacement hormones, but they drove me crazy.

    Less than 2 months ago, I realized that I probably wasn't getting enough iodine in my diet. I started taking a kelp supplement, which has a lot of iodine in it. I feel like a new person. Not only do I have energy, I'm losing weight more easily, even without exercise, and my sex drive is up.

    The tests aren't reliable. Doctors don't look for underlying causes. The American diet does not contain enough iodine. People are cutting back on table salt (which often is fortified with iodine). It's potentially a big problem.

    I don't recommend taking the huge amount stated in the article. The recommended amount for men is 150 mcg per day, and the maximum I think is 1,000 mcg. Prolonged exposure to the maximum could cause thyroid problems, including hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism.
  • euthymia Posts: 4
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:09 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidThank you for this article. I also read recently that people who are vegetarian also area at risk for iodine deficiency because iodine is also in meat and egg sources. I added cage free eggs back to my diet but only eat two a day since cage/range free eggs are so much more expensive than regular eggs.

    However, I still suffer from fatigue so I am going to look into iodine supplementation as per recommended by the web article posted here.

    I need to get to the bottom of this damn fucking fatigue I've had for decades!


    You could also look at adding a few pinches of iodinated table salt to your food. If you are exercising and sweating you could prob use it anyways.
  • MuchMoreThanM... Posts: 21348
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
    Also wanted to add that I seem to fit the profile for the symptoms that people with low iodine deficiency suffer from.

    1) Every time I go to the doctor's office and they take my vitals my temperature is roughly 96 or 97. I always joked about this and said I was part cold blooded reptile and therefore have a lower body temperature than other people.

    But I always asked if this was a sign of any possible conditions that need addressing. And the answer I always got was that it was "not a problem."

    2) My nipples are extremely sensitive and since guys like to play with them during sex I always tell them to stay away from that area cuz it hurts. Since breast tenderness is also a possible symptom I'm wondering if this is the case with me.

    3) And lastly the unexplained fatigue.


    There's also a correlation with eating tofu and developing a benignly enlarged thyroid. But it's not just limited to tofu consumption. It's the combination of eating tofu and the lack of eating iodine rich foods. People with normal iodine levels do fine. But since vegans and vegetarians tend to not eat foods with iodine (most found in higher levels in meats and eggs) there tends to be noted problems within this demographic.
  • MuchMoreThanM... Posts: 21348
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:18 AM GMT
    7Famark said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidThank you for this article. I also read recently that people who are vegetarian also area at risk for iodine deficiency because iodine is also in meat and egg sources. I added cage free eggs back to my diet but only eat two a day since cage/range free eggs are so much more expensive than regular eggs.

    However, I still suffer from fatigue so I am going to look into iodine supplementation as per recommended by the web article posted here.

    I need to get to the bottom of this damn fucking fatigue I've had for decades!


    Doctors don't have any input?


    Well, the nurses were the ones to take my vitals and I'd ask them. They said it meant nothing. But the doctors review my vitals after the nurses record the results so I can't see why they wouldn't have seen a pattern in my temperature readings and didn't make possible suggestions.

    Doctors never diagnose me correctly. They always neglect me or fuck me up royally. I could write a short story book on how doctors have fucked me up or grossly misdiagnosed me from childhood concerns to present time life threatening illnesses (such as HIV conversion and initially missing !!stage four lymphoma and anal cancer!!).
  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
    1. My body temperature is low too - in the 96 to 97 range.

    2. My heart rate is slower than normal, and my metabolism crawls.

    3. I think soy and other foods block the absorption of iodine. Eating huge amounts without getting additional iodine could cause a problem.

    4. Iodized table salt doesn't have that much iodine in it. Read the label. You'd have to eat a lot to get 100% of your daily value.

    5. Ditto on the doctors misdiagnosing me. It's happened multiple times over my lifetime. They've really fucked me up.
  • MuchMoreThanM... Posts: 21348
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
    euthymia said

    You could also look at adding a few pinches of iodinated table salt to your food. If you are exercising and sweating you could prob use it anyways.


    If it's not too expensive I'm going to try an iodine supplement. I did purchase some iodized salt and have noticed an improvement.

    One thing I did notice was that when I went vegetarian early this year within months my neck felt tight and a bit swollen. I didn't know what was happening but after reading up on enlarged thyroids and lack of iodine (which can be common in vegetarians due to no meat consumption) I went out and bought iodized salt. The thing was, for the past few years I was consuming sea salt that has no added iodine so I think this was the problem.

    I'm gonna try the 6-12mg dosage recommendations found in the article provided in the OP. To get this much from iodized salt would require me to ingest too much sodium.

    The health food store is already closed now. I can't wait until tomorrow so I can go make my purchase. icon_smile.gif
  • MuchMoreThanM... Posts: 21348
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:24 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said

    3. I think soy and other foods block the absorption of iodine. Eating huge amounts without getting additional iodine could cause a problem.


    Curiously I am allergic to unfermented soy products but I can eat tofu (because it's fermented). I just discovered this recently.

    Dang, DIN. Sounds like we were separated at birth with the similar symptoms/problems and misdiagnosing by the medical industry.
  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
    This is what I take. Less than $6 for a six month supply (1 capsule a day) with a 180 capsule bottle at Vitacost. It's so cheap and easy.

    14500.jpg
  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidCuriously I am allergic to unfermented soy products but I can eat tofu (because it's fermented). I just discovered this recently.

    Dang, DIN. Sounds like we were separated at birth with the similar symptoms/problems and misdiagnosing by the medical industry.

    Sucks, doesn't it? My problems have been relatively minor, but being misdiagnosed turned them into huge problems.
  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:33 AM GMT
    I skimmed the article and noted 1) it is over a year and a half old, so what made you necro it?
    2) The MD author didn't cite any specific study to assert that there actually is epidemiological evidence of iodine deficiency in the US. Plus, how the hell would they measure that? That's quite an assumption.

    If you use iodized salt in your cooking, I think you have nothing to worry about. It's also in multivitamins and in the soil that produce grows in. Perhaps he's making an assumption about thyroid problems seen in endocrinology and associating it with a the thyroid nutrient: iodine. However, these things are complicated and more likely have to do with the fact people don't exercise or live active lives, have poor dietary habits for most of their lives, and then develop these issues later on in life.

  • MuchMoreThanM... Posts: 21348
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:34 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidThis is what I take. Less than $6 for a six month supply (1 capsule a day) with a 180 capsule bottle at Vitacost. It's so cheap and easy.

    14500.jpg


    Are you taking this for iodine supplementation? I'm a bit confused, if you're taking it are you still suffering from the symptoms you mentioned above?

    I even thought of adding real dry seaweed to my food and veggie/fruit smoothies.
  • camfer Posts: 864
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
    Can anyone explain why sea salt has no iodine but seafood and kelp does? icon_question.gif
  • MuchMoreThanM... Posts: 21348
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:39 AM GMT
    bluey2223 saidI skimmed the article and noted 1) it is over a year and a half old, so what made you necro it?
    2) The MD author didn't cite any specific study to assert that there actually is epidemiological evidence of iodine deficiency in the US. Plus, how the hell would they measure that? That's quite an assumption.

    If you use iodized salt in your cooking, I think you have nothing to worry about. It's also in multivitamins and in the soil that produce grows in. Perhaps he's making an assumption about thyroid problems seen in endocrinology and associating it with a the thyroid nutrient: iodine. However, these things are complicated and more likely have to do with the fact people don't exercise or live active lives, have poor dietary habits for most of their lives, and then develop these issues later on in life.



    Well, since I have had the symptoms throughout my life and I have always eaten well I'm going to give it a try. If after three months I note no improvement then I'll look for other possible culprits.

    I guess the best way to test for appropriate levels would be to have a urine test. I'm gonna look into that.
  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:47 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidAre you taking this for iodine supplementation? I'm a bit confused, if you're taking it are you still suffering from the symptoms you mentioned above?

    I even thought of adding real dry seaweed to my food and veggie/fruit smoothies.

    Yes, it has 400 mcg of iodine per capsule - more than the daily allowance, but well below the upper limit. My symptoms are a lot better, but I have other issues too.

    1. You have to eat more than 1/2 tsp of Morton's iodized table salt per day just to get your daily allowance. Cooking with it is probably not enough.

    2. The tests are not that accurate, and they may only be a moment in time. Getting a minimum amount every day is key.

    3. Most of the regular multi-vitamins I checked did not have iodine or did not have enough.

    4. I've had this problem, including my strangely low heart rate, which everybody comments on, since I was a teenager. I know more and more people being diagnosed with hypothyroidism. The treatment is always hormones. No one bothers to check diet. It's at least something to look into because it's such an easy thing to supplement.
  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 2:48 AM GMT
    camfer saidCan anyone explain why sea salt has no iodine but seafood and kelp does? icon_question.gif

    Sea salt does have iodine, just not enough. Seafood and kelp has inconsistent levels. I went with supplementation to get a regular level each day. It seems to be working for me.
  • MuchMoreThanM... Posts: 21348
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 5:30 AM GMT
    camfer saidCan anyone explain why sea salt has no iodine but seafood and kelp does? icon_question.gif


    Salt in and of itself is just a byproduct of sodium and chloride binding together forming crystals. Sea salt does have iodine but the amounts are insufficient and are basically negligible. However, plant and sea animal life over time absorb more of this mineral through root uptake or by feeding off of plant and other animal life or debris on the ocean floor. Over time this results in a greater reserve of iodine within their tissues (because it's stored). Hence, the reason why they have higher levels of iodine.
  • HottJoe Posts: 15820
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 6:41 PM GMT
    camfer saidCan anyone explain why sea salt has no iodine but seafood and kelp does? icon_question.gif


    I bought sea salt with iodine in it. You just have to read the front label on every package.
  • HottJoe Posts: 15820
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 6:47 PM GMT
    @ MuchMoreThanMuscle

    Hey, I've read a few of your posts on other threads, and some of the symptoms you describe really ring true for !!!panic attacks!!! Maybe that's not what you're experiencing, but I've had them, and you literally took some of the words right out of my mouth in your descriptions. If that is the case, there is no cure, per se, but it helps to know what's really going on. Just a thought. Take care.icon_smile.gif
  • camfer Posts: 864
    QUOTE Dec 22, 2012 6:47 PM GMT
    Thanks guys. I knew about bioaccumulators in the soil, but not in the sea. Now I know!
  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 23, 2012 12:43 AM GMT
    Certain regions in the US, and throughout the world, have soils that are particularly low in iodine.

    The Upper Midwest, the Great Lakes region, was once known as "The Goiter Belt" because the fruits and vegetables grown there pick up insufficient iodine from the soil, and are thus nutritionally deficient.

    I once lived in central Mexico where the locals eat an insect called "jumiles" that they claim to be a rich source of iodine. Jumiles, in English, are STINK BUGS and yeah, they are disgusting to eat.

    You'll probably want to stick with Kelp tablets.

    Whole Foods has a good selection of seaweeds. I love the texture and flavor of Kombu, Wakame. Arame and Hijiki. Experiment with a little of any of them added to soups.
  • Posted by a hidden member.Log in to view his profile
    QUOTE Dec 23, 2012 4:28 PM GMT

    http://www.thyroid.org/iodine-deficiency/
  • MuchMoreThanM... Posts: 21348
    QUOTE Dec 23, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
    I must say that when decided to become vegetarian this past April yet wasn't eating iodized salt I was getting this overwhelming swelling sensation in my neck. It seemed to be the worst when I would do bench pressing and even worst still, when I did push ups with feet elevated on the bench. It felt like I had a noose around my neck and was sort of hard to breathe.

    With the link that meninlove provided, I wonder if I was slowly developing goiter. I just read that goiter is reversible with iodine administration. Since I reintroduced eggs and iodized salt to my diet that tight feeling has subsided 98%. I wonder if I was developing goiter? Shit!