NRA Holds First News Conference After the Murder of 27 People by Assault Weaponry In Connecticut

  • GQjock

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    Dec 21, 2012 6:49 PM GMT
    Wayne LaPierre the mouthpiece for the NRA held a Press conference for the first time since the killings in Connecticut where a man killed 20 children and their care givers with an assault weapon legally obtained by his mother
    In his conference Mr LaPierre called for the use of armed guards to be placed at every school to prevent another occurrence like the One last week



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/fox-news-airs-only-partial-coverage-nra-press-conference_n_2346271.html?ir=Politics&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
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    Dec 21, 2012 7:11 PM GMT
    It's so depressing how predictable that this mouthpiece for gun manufacturers is.

    He callously ignores the very strong evidence of Australia and New Zealand that a balanced piece of legislation can largely eliminate mass shootings, and that the principles of such legislation—

    i) A ban on weapons capable of firing above a certain rate, or firing a certain number of bullets before reloading.

    ii) Enhanced scrutiny and mandatory training for those purchasing guns.

    iii) A gun buy-back program for weapons made illegal under (i)

    iv) Elimination of loopholes that enable purchasers to avoid scrutiny under (ii).

    —are very clear. These principles are entirely compatible with the second amendment, will allow legitimate gun owners (farmers, hunters, shooting clubs) to go about their business with only minor inconvenience and are overwhelmingly likely to largely eliminate mass shootings and also reduce gun-related homicide and suicide rates.

    I've checked with some of my gun owning friends and *they* would be happy to sign up to legislation drafted along the above lines, which gives me reason to believe that such a bill would be politically popular.

    Putting armed guards in schools is not only a gross waste of public money — it would cost nationally between 3 and 5 billion per year—it devalues the very nature of education itself.
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    Dec 21, 2012 7:31 PM GMT
    More guns in school=more chance that a gun will be fired (drunk guard, mislaid gun, suspicious-looking delivery man, not to mention curious kids)

    Friendly gunfire doesn't work like in games: bullets kill even if a good guy fires it. Remember the recent Empire state building shooting? The police did most of the wounding:
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/

    What about places of worship?

    More government spending on security guards at schools: it's not big government when the NRA suggests it.
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    Dec 21, 2012 7:33 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidMore government spending on security guards at schools: it's not big government when the NRA suggests it.


    If you multiply the no. of public schools by a typical salary for an armed guard (~35-40k), you get a number that is about the same size as the annual budget for the National Science Foundation!
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    Dec 21, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said Remember the recent Empire state building shooting? The police did most of the wounding:
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    yeah one of the big flaws in their "right to carry/arm every citizen" argument is that when law enforcement does arrive on the scene they have no fucking clue who the good and bad shooters are, if everybody's got a gun.
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    Dec 21, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
    Real Guns= Good
    Video Game Guns= Bad

    Brought to you by the NRA.
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    Dec 21, 2012 9:45 PM GMT


    I'm surprised no one suggested arming all the first-grade kids....
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    Dec 21, 2012 9:47 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    I'm surprised no one suggested arming all the first-grade kids....


    That's at the next LaPierre News conference icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 21, 2012 10:00 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidYes, because this is such a conducive environment to learning:

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    ((click click)) "I said SINGLE FILE!!!!" icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 21, 2012 10:29 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidYes, because this is such a conducive environment to learning:

    Ts1So.jpg


    I said this before: we don't have any context for this photo!!
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    Dec 21, 2012 10:40 PM GMT
    a comment from elsewhere on the interwebz:

    " For years, the NRA has been stoking fears of "jackbooted thugs" from the Federal government.

    Now they propose putting an armed government employee in every single school across America."

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    Dec 21, 2012 10:48 PM GMT
    And even other 'arm everybody' proponents think the NRA is crazy.

    John Lott, who wrote the book 'More Guns, Less Crime' has this to say about the NRA proposal:

    "Identifiable guards are of very limited use in these cases. They will be the first person killed. Costly & not effective."


    BTW, COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL HAD AN ARMED GUARD.
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    Dec 21, 2012 10:53 PM GMT
    GeorgeLifts saidAnd even other 'arm everybody' proponents think the NRA is crazy.

    John Lott, who wrote the book 'More Guns, Less Crime' has this to say about the NRA proposal:

    "Identifiable guards are of very limited use in these cases. They will be the first person killed. Costly & not effective."


    BTW, COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL HAD AN ARMED GUARD.


    And after the guard's dead, you have yet another gun available.
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    Dec 22, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
    If liberals liked guns (instead of being terrified of them), they'd be forced down our throats from every media outlet known to man. By the way, the NRA is launching a program calling for certified volunteers, not the employing of one sleepy, armed security guard in the school lobby. You might consider reading the trascript of their entire press conference, instead of the usual knee-jerk reaction. icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 22, 2012 12:42 AM GMT
    The NRA's argument is ostensibly persuasive, but their outlook is severely flawed: 'Guns are good. More guns are better.'

    Whether it's Britain, Japan or Australia, the evidence is the same: strict gun control means fewer people die. Unwillingness in America to face this basic arithmetic – preferring to blame the mental health system or videogames or the "feminisation" of the classroom, as one conservative pundit did, or the absence of religious prayer in schools, rather than the most obvious culprit for all this gun violence, namely easy access to military-grade assault weapons, is the problem.



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    Dec 22, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
    ", the NRA is launching a program calling for certified volunteers, "


    That's so cool.
    Are you going to volunteer? Do you know of anyone who will be?

    Thanks for your service because otherwise this could get really expensive:

    There are about 90,000 elementary schools in the United States. Let’s say you pay one single-shift guard about $60,000 including benefits, taxes and overhead.

    You’ve just spent $5.4 billion !
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    Dec 22, 2012 1:19 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidIf liberals liked guns (instead of being terrified of them), they'd be forced down our throats from every media outlet known to man. By the way, the NRA is launching a program calling for certified volunteers, not the employing of one sleepy, armed security guard in the school lobby. You might consider reading the trascript of their entire press conference, instead of the usual knee-jerk reaction. icon_smile.gif


    You're just a miserable asshole. Not to mention completely wrong and delusional.

    I'm not afraid of guns at all. I've fired many in my day. I simply don't want it to be so easy for a nut like Adam Lanza or Jared Loughner to get one that can kill 30 or a 100 people before reloading.

    Nor do I want some trigger happy yahoo at the front desk of every school in America, paid or not. Children shouldn't have to do go school in a fucking war zone so you and your douche bag friends can play weekend warrior.

    If you think you're tough, learn a martial art to defend yourself instead of being a little pussy who needs a semi-automatic rifle to feel like a man.
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    Dec 22, 2012 1:45 AM GMT
    This is quite instructive:

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/12/21/will-media-fact-check-misleading-claims-from-nr/191962

    Read it before you dismiss it.

    I especially like the fact-free assertion about video games.

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    Dec 22, 2012 3:18 AM GMT
    "A certified volunteer program? Cool! Where do I sign up?"

    - George Zimmerman icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 22, 2012 3:47 AM GMT
    http://newsthump.com/2012/12/21/nra-calls-for-end-to-childhood-obesity-by-putting-mcdonalds-in-every-school/
    NRA calls for end to childhood obesity by putting McDonalds in every school

    @HelenLOHara : British news covering #NRA response to Newtown has clarified twice that what they're showing is not a spoof.
  • Webster666

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    Dec 22, 2012 5:34 AM GMT
    He's a fool.
    The answer to mass murder of school children, teachers, and a principal is not to have more guns in schools.

    The problem, in this case, was the 20 year old's mother, who was an irresponsible gun nut, who left her guns around the house, where her son found easy access to them. He has been described as, "troubled." That could mean practically anything. And, we'll probably never know.

    Whatever his problem was, his mother failed to help him.
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    Dec 22, 2012 6:47 AM GMT
    Thanks, NRA...I just lost any and all respect I had for you.

    So your solution is to turn us into a police state. Yay...NOT.
  • GQjock

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    Dec 22, 2012 7:42 AM GMT
    Wayne LaPierre Speech Was A Total Public Relations Disaster, Say PR Experts
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/wayne-lapierre-speech-public-relations-disaster_n_2346967.html
    Public relations experts who have experience working with the gun industry expressed horror on Friday afternoon at the National Rifle Association's response to the Newtown, Conn., shootings.
    "It was worse than if the NRA had not spoken at all."
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    Dec 22, 2012 7:53 AM GMT
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    Dec 22, 2012 2:49 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidThe NRA's argument is ostensibly persuasive, but their outlook is severely flawed: 'Guns are good. More guns are better.'

    Whether it's Britain, Japan or Australia, the evidence is the same: strict gun control means fewer people die. Unwillingness in America to face this basic arithmetic – preferring to blame the mental health system or videogames or the "feminisation" of the classroom, as one conservative pundit did, or the absence of religious prayer in schools, rather than the most obvious culprit for all this gun violence, namely easy access to military-grade assault weapons, is the problem.





    Wrong. Just wrong wrong wrong!

    In the 1950s, New York state had stricter gun laws than the UK and there were less deaths in the UK.

    While I agree with banning assault rifles, people need to look at our blood thirsty culture to get to the end of this. In Europe, people are less restrictive about sex and sexuality than we are and moreso about violence, out here it is the opposite. And we have more killings. And you think the guns do this why...