Did Obama try and stall troop withdrawals from Iraq?

  • TexanMan82

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    Sep 17, 2008 2:45 PM GMT
    This does not shine a very nice light on Obama.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:00 PM GMT
    Well, I could see why Obama wouldnt want the hands of the next president tied by Bush.

    Bush opposed all such agreements until the election. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to fear that an unwise agreement could be entered into for political purposes to try and help the Republican candidate since the war is so unpopular.
  • TexanMan82

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:09 PM GMT
    It doesn't bother you that this is a potentially illegal venture by Obama? I mean, some are even going as far as calling it treasonous. I wouldn't go that far, but this is pretty serious.

    If anything, it makes us look very weak when a Senator is cutting out the knees from a sitting president.

    Poor form.
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:12 PM GMT
    Treasonous? Plenty have called Bush and Cheney's actions treasonous, so, as we know, saying it doesn't make it so.
  • Koaa2

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:15 PM GMT
    This from someone who has probably been bought and paid for by the Bush Administration and the Oil Companies. Give us a break!
  • TexanMan82

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:15 PM GMT
    McGay saidTreasonous? Plenty have called Bush and Cheney's actions treasonous, so, as we know, saying it doesn't make it so.


    But, we are talking specifically about Obama here. I understand everyone's dislike for Bush, but let's stay on track here.
  • Koaa2

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:18 PM GMT
    TexanMan82 said
    McGay saidTreasonous? Plenty have called Bush and Cheney's actions treasonous, so, as we know, saying it doesn't make it so.


    But, we are talking specifically about Obama here. I understand everyone's dislike for Bush, but let's stay on track here.


    We are on track, anything out of Iraq is unbelievable, especially if the Repugs are floating it!
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:18 PM GMT
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:19 PM GMT
    Bush isnt doing this for the good of the country. It's political. Just like his invasion of Iraq with insufficient troops. And selling the whole invasion to the American people with how it will be paid for with iraqi oil revenues and not cost us more than a billion. (Bush knew the american people wouldnt support a deadly and costly war, so he purposefully lied. Remember, he was told it would take twice as many troops to secure Iraq and that general got fired)

    Or if you argue that Bush believed all those things than you have just made the case for Bush's poor judgment and substantiate Obama's fears.
  • TexanMan82

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:20 PM GMT
    http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13897

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:21 PM GMT
    Prime Minister Zebari and General Petraeus were wise in rejecting Obama's irresponsible "demand" while he visited there last July. Obama's flip - flopping is indicative of his lack of foreign policy experience - as well as a disturbing insight to his thought process and leadership skills. Executive experience? Leadership skills? This embarrassment shows Nobama couldn't lead a picnic down to the beach on a hot day. Nobama had no business going to Iraq in July and shooting off his mouth trying to institute any sort of withdrawal draw down agreement - nor anything else, for that matter. This sort of arrogance is beyond the pale.
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:21 PM GMT
    I was speaking in general as to the accusation of treason. Much of what I say here myself would no doubt be called treasonous by some of the right wing nutjobs out there. An accusation of treason is meaningless.
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:22 PM GMT
    Is flip flopping anything like supporting the republicans yet wanting to share good news about gay marriage rights?

  • TexanMan82

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:24 PM GMT
    McGay saidIs flip flopping anything like supporting the republicans yet wanting to share good news about gay marriage rights?



    I don't support the Republicans or the Democrats. But, honestly, gay marriage just isn't a big deal to some of us. It just isn't. It's pretty far down the list of things this country needs to tackle.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:25 PM GMT
    Well, just based on Obama's past association with truly seedy people, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. That being said, anything in the NEW YORK POST I would read and divide by 10 for it's factual value.


    And, McGay, again you throw out this "gay marriage" issue as if this is suppose to be some major issue that we as American voters need to weigh heavily in our overall thinking about who to vote for. Sorry, but with everything going on in this country right now, not to mention the world, "Gay Marriage" just seems to pale in importance. I get that it is important to some, but I'm not going to apologize for the fact that it is not that important to everybody. That's just reality.
  • Koaa2

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:25 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidPrime Minister Zebari and General Petraeus were wise in rejecting Obama's irresponsible "demand" while he visited there last July. Obama's flip - flopping is indicative of his lack of foreign policy experience - as well as a disturbing insight to his thought process and leadership skills. Executive experience? Leadership skills? This embarrassment shows Nobama couldn't lead a picnic down to the beach on a hot day. Nobama had no business going to Iraq in July and shooting off his mouth trying to institute any sort of withdrawal draw down agreement - nor anything else, for that matter. This sort of arrogance is beyond the pale.


    I guess his experience Is nothing like being Mayor of a town of 7,000, with the largest bunch of Meth houses in the state. Oh I understand now!
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWell, just based on Obama's past association with truly seedy people, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. That being said, anything in the NEW YORK POST I would read and divide by 10 for it's factual value.


    Does Larry Craig count on your list of seedy people?
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidPrime Minister Zebari and General Petraeus were wise in rejecting Obama's irresponsible "demand" while he visited there last July. Obama's flip - flopping is indicative of his lack of foreign policy experience - as well as a disturbing insight to his thought process and leadership skills. Executive experience? Leadership skills? This embarrassment shows Nobama couldn't lead a picnic down to the beach on a hot day. Nobama had no business going to Iraq in July and shooting off his mouth trying to institute any sort of withdrawal draw down agreement - nor anything else, for that matter. This sort of arrogance is beyond the pale.


    so the "leadership experience" we currently have and would continue to have with mccain got us where, into an economy that is fallign apart and into a position where the rest of the world looks down at us. o yeah, we have had and would have with mccain great leadership. the only thing that is arrogant here is that republicans cannot see that their form of "leadership" simply is not working yet they contiue to tell us that it is like we are ignorant to facts.
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:29 PM GMT
    Tex,

    I was asking you that question, sorry, I could have been clearer. The guy I was addressing knows what I'm talking about.

    I do know that gay marriage isn't something of high importance to some of you and I guess for that matter the 1038 rights that go with it aren't either and neither is all the money it costs gay people not to have those rights. You all must be very very rich.
  • TexanMan82

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:29 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWell, just based on Obama's past association with truly seedy people, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. That being said, anything in the NEW YORK POST I would read and divide by 10 for it's factual value.


    I thought the same thing about the Post when I read it. But, it seems to be holding water at this point.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:29 PM GMT
    Koaa2 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidWell, just based on Obama's past association with truly seedy people, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. That being said, anything in the NEW YORK POST I would read and divide by 10 for it's factual value.


    Does Larry Craig count on your list of seedy people?



    Honestly, is THAT the best you can do? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:30 PM GMT
    Curious, go shout it from the rooftops. Unless you're embarrassed to, of course.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 17, 2008 3:32 PM GMT
    I don't care about the issue enough to even climb up on a rooficon_lol.gif
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:36 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWell, just based on Obama's past association with truly seedy people,....

    And I associate Bush with some truly fine people....the over 4000 dead americans killed in this senseless war.
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    Sep 17, 2008 3:38 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't care about the issue enough to even climb up on a rooficon_lol.gif


    sadly u should as u may not plan to get married, but as a human in general u should care that all people are treated equally, and being that you are part of this specific minority u should want to see walls knocked down. u will always be a second class citizen as long as u allow urself to be treated as such.