One Out of Every 6.5 Americans Is on Food Stamps

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    Dec 23, 2012 1:43 AM GMT
    Definitely mindblowing: "The new all-time record number of recipients, 47.7 million (up from 31.6 million when Obama took office) exceeds the combined populations of Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming."

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/336360/one-out-every-65-americans-food-stamps-andrew-c-mccarthy
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    Dec 23, 2012 1:20 PM GMT
    It's Bush's fault.

    After all, it's "only" been 4 years since Obama ended the Great Recession.
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    Dec 23, 2012 1:30 PM GMT
    DontQuoteMe saidIt's Bush's fault.

    After all, it's "only" been 4 years since Obama ended the Great Recession.


    It's as if the people who claim they care about the poor only do so when Republicans are in power while there is never enough spending using the poor to build bureaucracies for the well connected.
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    Dec 23, 2012 2:36 PM GMT
    Perspective : one the US's best years was 1959 - with 40 million in poverty.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,826032,00.html


    That ratio today would be 68 million.

    ...and of course the working poor make up a sizable chunk of those collecting food stamps.



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    Dec 23, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    meninlove said Perspective : one the US's best years was 1959 - with 40 million in poverty.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,826032,00.html


    That ratio today would be 68 million.

    ...and of course the working poor make up a sizable chunk of those collecting food stamps.





    And there are also many US military service members/their families who qualify for food stamps. How great is that?
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    Dec 23, 2012 4:04 PM GMT
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    meninlove said Perspective : one the US's best years was 1959 - with 40 million in poverty.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,826032,00.html


    That ratio today would be 68 million.

    ...and of course the working poor make up a sizable chunk of those collecting food stamps.





    And there are also many US military service members/their families who qualify for food stamps. How great is that?


    I'm always amused by people like riddler who support the hollowing out of the middle class but then scream when the government provides support to those whose jobs don't pay a living wage.

    If you want fewer people on food stamps, insist that the Waltons put some of their enormous corporate profits back into paying their workers rather than teaching them how to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 23, 2012 4:09 PM GMT
    DontQuoteMe saidIt's Bush's fault.

    After all, it's "only" been 4 years since Obama ended the Great Recession.


    Could you please go back to your cave and continue crying because the American people don't like your batshit policies?

    Kthnxbye
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    Dec 23, 2012 8:37 PM GMT
    meninlove said Perspective : one the US's best years was 1959 - with 40 million in poverty.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,826032,00.html


    That ratio today would be 68 million.

    ...and of course the working poor make up a sizable chunk of those collecting food stamps.


    Are you saying that this is more palatable given how much more poverty there has been over the past several years?

    For actual perspective:
    http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2009/pov09fig04.pdf

    While the percentage of poor have gone down since 1959, they've been fairly consistent relative to previous recessions. The question is why has food stamp usage climbed so significantly as a percentage of the poor?

    How long will it take for those who advocate big government solutions and solutions that enrich themselves like Christian, to recognize that the war on poverty has failed miserably? For them, there's never enough money for their salaries and unions with companies and people who create wealth are only useful insofar as they are apparently a endless well of money to take from.

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/062612-616212-war-on-poverty-failed-but-spending-continues.htm

    How much is enough?
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    Dec 23, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
    I hope the last 0.5 American is doing OK!
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    Dec 28, 2012 12:57 PM GMT
    I guess the question How much is enough? is fair enough. However, I would reverse it and ask how much poverty is enough before somebody takes an actual look at it instead of just throwing money around. November of last year America reached a new high... 1 in 15 Americans not only poor or living in poverty- but living at 50% of the official poverty level. This means $5500 for an individual. Yes, 20.5 million Americans are making less than $6000 for an individual or roughly $11000 for a family of four. This means $500 a month for rent, heat, clothing and transportation I agree wholeheartedly- the lazy bastards should be able to afford to feed themselves as well on that. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/03/us-poverty-data-poorest-poor

    I suppose that you could just take away all of the food stamps and watch the crime rates and incarceration rates soar and open a few more state run agencies to take care of the kids who are left without parents. Come to think of it- that would provide more good paying jobs for contractors building and running the prisons, judges, social workers, as well as providing a nice way for tens of thousands of foster parents to earn a few dollars taking care of kids in state custody. Good fix...

    Finally, who benefits by this (aside from the lazy bastards eating on our dime?) Oh, right... Its good old JP Morgan who snagged a nice contract to provide debit cards and administer the food stamp program.in almost 30 states. In 2010 the segment of JP Morgan who provided this service pulled in 5.5 billion in net revenue... So, the more Americans who are on food stamps, the bigger the profit for good old JP, their share holders, and, presumably, the senators and congressmen who make all of this possible for them.

    If you are asking yourself why the rise in usage I think you can probably follow the money both to the poor who are on the program and to the rich who profit from it... So long as both segments of the population are gaining something it is not going anywhere and the numbers are not going anywhere but up. JP even said that they see the working poor as a growth segment for themselves. Nice.
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    Dec 28, 2012 3:04 PM GMT
    west77 saidI guess the question How much is enough? is fair enough. However, I would reverse it and ask how much poverty is enough before somebody takes an actual look at it instead of just throwing money around. November of last year America reached a new high... 1 in 15 Americans not only poor or living in poverty- but living at 50% of the official poverty level. This means $5500 for an individual. Yes, 20.5 million Americans are making less than $6000 for an individual or roughly $11000 for a family of four. This means $500 a month for rent, heat, clothing and transportation I agree wholeheartedly- the lazy bastards should be able to afford to feed themselves as well on that. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/03/us-poverty-data-poorest-poor

    I suppose that you could just take away all of the food stamps and watch the crime rates and incarceration rates soar and open a few more state run agencies to take care of the kids who are left without parents. Come to think of it- that would provide more good paying jobs for contractors building and running the prisons, judges, social workers, as well as providing a nice way for tens of thousands of foster parents to earn a few dollars taking care of kids in state custody. Good fix...

    Finally, who benefits by this (aside from the lazy bastards eating on our dime?) Oh, right... Its good old JP Morgan who snagged a nice contract to provide debit cards and administer the food stamp program.in almost 30 states. In 2010 the segment of JP Morgan who provided this service pulled in 5.5 billion in net revenue... So, the more Americans who are on food stamps, the bigger the profit for good old JP, their share holders, and, presumably, the senators and congressmen who make all of this possible for them.

    If you are asking yourself why the rise in usage I think you can probably follow the money both to the poor who are on the program and to the rich who profit from it... So long as both segments of the population are gaining something it is not going anywhere and the numbers are not going anywhere but up. JP even said that they see the working poor as a growth segment for themselves. Nice.


    Let's hope to god that riddler reads this.
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    Dec 28, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Let's hope to god that riddler reads this.

    Does Hong Kong apply Internet filters? Or wherever he actually lives?
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    Dec 28, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
    The food stamp program is like dialysis: when the economy improves, it will shrink. It's working as intended:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html
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    Dec 28, 2012 3:23 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidThe food stamp program is like dialysis: when the economy improves, it will shrink. It's working as intended:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html


    +1

    Imagine how horrible conditions would be without food stamps. It would be like in the great depression, when people were forced to live in homeless camps and fight for meager scraps. Anyone who thinks food stamps shouldn't be supported ought to read The Grapes of Wrath.
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    Dec 28, 2012 3:49 PM GMT
    A few points here:

    1. I think that these programs are useful - but I think that not for profits would likely do a better job of administration at a *far* lower overhead. By any rational measure, as a whole, these programs have failed - what's worse is that the economic policies of this Administration (and also the domestic policies under the Bush Administration as well) have been making things worse. With Obamacare, it's even more likely now that companies will only hire part time - and fire full time workers to ensure this is the case if they have more than 50 full time employees.

    It's useful that west77 points to the fact that 1 in 15 Americans are considered the poorest - this article points out 1 in 6.5 get food stamps - which again, is far too many but given that poverty rates have increased under this administration, at some point you begin to realize that this is in fact in part a reflection of the current Administration's policies.

    2. I believe it's stunning that 1 in 6.5 people get these benefits. When I said how much is enough, I was referring to the massive industry behind the supposed "war on poverty" - which like the "war on drugs" has been a dismal failure. I didn't say, nor was it my meaning, that those who need help shouldn't get it, but what the government has been providing, isn't help by any conventional meaning of the word.

    3. The relationship between poverty and crime rates is a tenuous one (and no, watching les Mis, however entertaining, is not "proof") - not to mention a rather repulsive and denigrating one - just because you're poor doesn't mean you're going to be a criminal. It has been pointed out repeatedly by papers and criminologists that despite the recent and longstanding economic downturns, crime has actually continued to go down.

    4. I am glad west77 brought up JP Morgan which Obama said in May 2012 “JPMorgan is one of the best-managed banks there is. Jamie Dimon, the head of it, is one of the smartest bankers we got and they still lost $2 billion and counting". Of course, who can therefore blame Obama for having somewhere between half a million to a million dollars in a JP Morgan Chase account? Oh let's not forget about the massive bailout they got. It must also be a coincidence that Jamie Dimon is a Democrat and was one of Obama's highest profile friends.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76304.html

    Dimon spent several years in Obama’s hometown of Chicago, where he ran Bank One after a nasty breakup with his one-time mentor. He got to know Rahm Emanuel. He hired Bill Daley as a top executive before Daley became Obama’s second chief of staff. He gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in contributions to Democrats.

    Obama returned all the love, at least at first. Dimon made at least 16 trips to the White House and met at least three times with Obama — a bond that allowed the president to appear business-friendly. The New York Times in 2009 called Dimon Obama’s “favorite banker.”


    This being said, while the funds spent while it's easy to look at the face value of the funds being administered by JP Morgan, the actual revenues they collect is a fraction of it.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/01/jp-morgan-s-food-stamp-empire.html

    These contracts are transactional contracts, meaning they are amendable based on changes in program participation. Each month, the three companies that administer EBT receive a small fee that can range from $.31 to $2.30 (or higher depending upon the number of welfare services on an EBT card and state contractual requirements) for each SNAP recipient.

    EBT processors charge for other services as well. For example, any time TANF recipients withdraw their cash benefits or make balance inquiries through out-of-network ATM machines, the user may incur ATM transaction fees generally ranging from $.75 to $1.50. In addition, most states allow EBT processors to charge card replacement fees. Arizona cardholders, for example, are permitted one free replacement a year, after which a $5 per card fee is imposed. The same goes for customer service calls: After an EBT cardholder exceeds the state’s maximum number of free calls, EBT processors typically tack on a $.25 per call fee.


    It is however a bit troubling that the Administration has mandated the use of EBT however given the small number of firms who handle it.

    5. And the rich who profit from this program? Let's be a little more specific here that it's the *favored* few who support this Administration which doles out funds back to their cronies (Solyndra anyone?). Crony capitalism isn't in fact a reflection of markets.

    Still glad I read it meninlove you unthinking, and so lacking in critical-thinking fool? You seem to think I'm an advocate of all business - but no, markets != to business or specific businesses - particularly where this Administration has been so brazen in awarding contracts, loans that don't end up being repaid, etc.
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    Dec 28, 2012 3:53 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidThe food stamp program is like dialysis: when the economy improves, it will shrink. It's working as intended:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html


    You went through an entire campaign where the Obama Administration and much of the media spun the idea that the economy has been improving. It's only afterwards we have been getting statistics like this.
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    Dec 28, 2012 4:12 PM GMT
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    I wonder how many people a couple of billion would have assisted?
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    Dec 28, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
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    q1w2e3 saidThe food stamp program is like dialysis: when the economy improves, it will shrink. It's working as intended:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html


    You went through an entire campaign where the Obama Administration and much of the media spun the idea that the economy has been improving. It's only afterwards we have been getting statistics like this.


    Yes the economy is improving, but the gains are disproportionately accruing to the richer.
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    And no, it's not afterwards...haven't you heard the "food stamp" president ads?

    The trend is that the increase in food stamp usage is slowing (compare the slopes between 2008-2011 and this year):
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    Dec 28, 2012 4:34 PM GMT
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    I wonder how many people a couple of billion would have assisted?


    Sadly not as many as it should given how US government spends funds - unfortunately as it turns out, even if JP Morgan provided its services for free, it wouldn't even amount to $1 billion. I'm curious - do you know how much in actual revenues? Did you know that many don't even apply for food stamps - so it isn't even a question of lack of funds given the large fees being paid?

    http://www.examiner.com/article/who-really-profits-big-from-food-stamps-jpmorgan-walmart

    Paton noted that ⅓ of Americans who are eligible for food stamp benefits did not apply for them, meaning almost 70 million Americans (more than 1 in 5) actually qualify for food stamps.


    The government is however aggressively attempting to encourage all those who haven't applied to apply.

    According to west77, the net revenue collected was 5.5 billion, but according to a different site (which links to the GAO):
    http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2012/11/new-report-how-food-stamps-benefit-corporations/

    Three companies – J.P. Morgan EFS, Affiliated Computer Services, and eFunds – provide EBT services for 49 states and 3 US territories.

    Since 2004, 18 of 24 states who contract with J.P. Morgan to provide welfare benefits have contracted to pay $560,492,596.02. New York alone has a seven-year contract worth $126,394,917.

    Projected average food stamp spending post-recession will be 175% greater than prerecession average spending, from $28 billion to $77 billion.Since 2009, 32 states have followed the USDA’s suggestion to use Broad Based


    These amounts are since 2011. To break it down for you since I'm pretty sure you don't know how to do the math, that works out to being up to $100m a year for JP Morgan Chase. If the $5.5 was in fact the gross revenues, this works out to being 1.8% of what was administered - still expensive but not entirely crazy given that there is still work involved.
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    Dec 28, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
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    q1w2e3 saidThe food stamp program is like dialysis: when the economy improves, it will shrink. It's working as intended:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html


    You went through an entire campaign where the Obama Administration and much of the media spun the idea that the economy has been improving. It's only afterwards we have been getting statistics like this.


    Yes the economy is improving, but the gains are disproportionately accruing to the richer.


    And yet food stamp usage is still increasing to record levels. I didn't realize the Obama Administration ran on his strength of making the rich richer.
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    Dec 28, 2012 4:43 PM GMT
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    q1w2e3 saidThe food stamp program is like dialysis: when the economy improves, it will shrink. It's working as intended:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html

    You went through an entire campaign where the Obama Administration and much of the media spun the idea that the economy has been improving. It's only afterwards we have been getting statistics like this.

    And why is this any of your business, or interest? Do I discuss social welfare in China? Your credibility on this US topic is zip.
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    Dec 28, 2012 4:46 PM GMT
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    q1w2e3 saidThe food stamp program is like dialysis: when the economy improves, it will shrink. It's working as intended:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html

    You went through an entire campaign where the Obama Administration and much of the media spun the idea that the economy has been improving. It's only afterwards we have been getting statistics like this.

    And why is this any of your business, or interest?


    Because it's sad what a dismal failure many policies designed to supposedly help the poor have become. Instead of rethinking these failures, those like yourself believe that the solution is even more money irrespective of success.
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    Dec 28, 2012 5:11 PM GMT
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    q1w2e3 said
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    q1w2e3 saidThe food stamp program is like dialysis: when the economy improves, it will shrink. It's working as intended:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html


    You went through an entire campaign where the Obama Administration and much of the media spun the idea that the economy has been improving. It's only afterwards we have been getting statistics like this.


    Yes the economy is improving, but the gains are disproportionately accruing to the richer.


    And yet food stamp usage is still increasing to record levels. I didn't realize the Obama Administration ran on his strength of making the rich richer.


    Yeah, it's unfortunate that the Romney campaign didn't run on this theme of where the income gains are going to, but instead chose the 47% route...paradoxical politics. icon_lol.gif
    Btw, guess which states are more dependent on food stamps?
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    Dec 28, 2012 5:14 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
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    q1w2e3 saidThe food stamp program is like dialysis: when the economy improves, it will shrink. It's working as intended:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html


    You went through an entire campaign where the Obama Administration and much of the media spun the idea that the economy has been improving. It's only afterwards we have been getting statistics like this.


    Yes the economy is improving, but the gains are disproportionately accruing to the richer.


    And yet food stamp usage is still increasing to record levels. I didn't realize the Obama Administration ran on his strength of making the rich richer.


    Yeah, it's unfortunate that the Romney campaign didn't run on this theme of where the income gains are going to, but instead chose the 47% route...paradoxical politics. icon_lol.gif
    Btw, guess which states are more dependent on food stamps?


    Most dependent is ... Washington DC (as per one of the linked articles above I was reading). I think Nevada is big into that mix as well - and I figure you're going to claim red states but I think that's changing - given for instance the economic growth his highest by far in red states right now. So this data is also clouded by the fact that more unemployed/poor are moving to red states like Texas.
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    Dec 28, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
    I love the way you post things that prove the very opposite of what you want to portray

    You DO realize that the rules were changed under the last so called President that changed the eligibility for foodstamps and swelled the roles

    AND .... you DO understand that while the middle class has been systematically disemboweled economically the top 2% have made historical gains in the way of tax cuts and hoarding cash
    You DO understand that don't you?

    So when you post that there are more and more people on foodstamps do you think we need MORE money going to the top 2% ?

    Mebbe the trickle down theory is is a DELAYED reaction?
    What's it been? 10 years now? Since the Bush tax cuts now?
    Wow that's some delayed reaction

    The nose in front of your face is honking Rid ..... Republican economics doesn't work ..... it never has and it never will